Comics Amazing Spider-Man#560 The Return of....

[Miken Ayers]

As noted by many others, Martin has a nice Ditko style with his art.

Speaking of art did anyone notice that the snow was gone again?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

This Issue was awesome! Dan Slotts' storytelling talent showed once again like it always does and I'm loving it. The art was once again awesome and all the action scenes just were full of excitement. The wisecracks from Spidey really had me laughing and it's great to know MJ will be returning in ASM Issue #561. That line at the end, "It's magic, tiger. Come here so I can explain it to you.", had me laughing.

 

[Miken Ayers]

This Issue was awesome! Dan Slotts' storytelling talent showed once again like it always does and I'm loving it. The art was once again awesome and all the action scenes just were full of excitement. The wisecracks from Spidey really had me laughing and it's great to know MJ will be returning in ASM Issue #561. That line at the end, "It's magic, tiger. Come here so I can explain it to you.", had me laughing.

By explain she means take a poop on his chest. Dexter Bennett will pay 5 million for that photo.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Wait, so MJ is with someone else now?

Sorry I'm a bit confused.

And having MJ back in the comics might be enough to pull me back towards buying ASM.

 

[Themanofbat]

Wait, so MJ is with someone else now?

Sorry I'm a bit confused.

And having MJ back in the comics might be enough to pull me back towards buying ASM.

Well, she just made a last page appearance, but her first since OMD.

She's simply reffered to as Bobby Carr's (the famous actor in this story) "mystery girl", so we're not sure what her exact relationship with Mr. Carr is... though you could probably assume that they might be dating.

Peter's been offered 2 million dollars by the DB if he can get a pic of Carr and this "mystery girl", but seeing as it's MJ (and the fact that all his friends find his "new" papparazzi career disturbing) might put an end to all that.

Marcos Martin's art on this book has been rocking my balls hard... very Ditko-esque.

Spoiler

And as mentioned in the other spoilers, her only words in the book are "It's magic, tiger. Come over here and let me explain it to ya" while she's reading "Faust" by Goethe.

Dan the Man Slott is a freakin' hilarious genius... t: t: t:

 

[Styleshift]

"It's magic, tiger. Come over here and let me explain it to ya"

When I read that line I was thinking of the Joey Q. interview. lol.

"It's magic....we don't have to explain it."

over all it was a solid issue. Paper Doll was creepy. and interesting in the way that Spidey admits out loud that he cannot think of a way to combat her.

The ending was a bit frustrating for OMD reasons. and I saw the "mystery girl" thing coming because they brought it up too often. So far I feel like Mj has been regressed to her party girl status. like pete has been regressed to his loser living with aunt status. but I will reserve my full judgement on this matter until the next issue.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Wait, so MJ is with someone else now?

Sorry I'm a bit confused.

And having MJ back in the comics might be enough to pull me back towards buying ASM.

Which is what I think they're hoping for.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Another good story. Finally we get to see MJ and can't wait to see what happens when Peter sees her there. Paperdoll imo didn't seem like a right type of villain, perhaps they could have given her some other powers but being paper thin isn't too appealing.

 

[Themanofbat]

Another good story. Finally we get to see MJ and can't wait to see what happens when Peter sees her there. Paperdoll imo didn't seem like a right type of villain, perhaps they could have given her some other powers but being paper thin isn't too appealing.

Sucking the life outta the people she wraps herself onto isn't a villainous enough power?

 

[AIRWOLF]

Sucking the life outta the people she wraps herself onto isn't a villainous enough power?

Sucking out the life is good, but her being thin as a paper makes me think of something out of a Disney cartoon or Bugs Bunny show.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Did anyone else notice the resemblance between the actor and Ben Affleck?

Which is a bit harsh cosnidering The Fleck has always seemed to be a good guy.

 

[stillanerd]

Well my reaction to the last panel (besides how flat and disproportioned the art is) was "Wow! What a stunning surprise...NOT!"

My second reaction was "So, I guess Amazing Spider-Man #600 will be where Peter and MJ get back together again, huh Marvel?" After all, Slott wouldn't put THAT much emphasis on the final panel if this wasn't going to happen sometime down the road, especially considering that MJ is just as much a staple character to Spider-Man as Jonah and Aunt May are. Perhaps their getting married again is off the table, but certainly they're going be a romantically involved in the near future. My guess is they could take a cue from the Stan Lee strip and have the two of them in a long-distance relationship.

This then leads to a third reaction which I'm sure is in the back of most folks who hated "One More Day" (which was just about everybody, including BND supporters): "Something stinks in Spider-Man Land and its not just the brimstone." The fact that MJ is with a guy who, by all accounts, is a arrogant, self-righteous, violence-prone ass, her echo of her famous "Face it, Tiger" line, the "magic" reference in the same line, and her reading Goethe's Faust are not only jabs at the reader but also implies that there's something really wrong with all of this, despite all the wax-nostalgia and tongue-in-check "Stan Lee" style narration that has been going on. Then again, maybe that's the whole idea.

 

[Blader5489]

Well my reaction to the last panel (besides how flat and disproportioned the art is) was "Wow! What a stunning surprise...NOT!"

You didn't really say that did you?

 

[ragingdemon155]

Well my reaction to the last panel (besides how flat and disproportioned the art is) was "Wow! What a stunning surprise...NOT!"

My second reaction was "So, I guess Amazing Spider-Man #600 will be where Peter and MJ get back together again, huh Marvel?" After all, Slott wouldn't put THAT much emphasis on the final panel if this wasn't going to happen sometime down the road, especially considering that MJ is just as much a staple character to Spider-Man as Jonah and Aunt May are. Perhaps their getting married again is off the table, but certainly they're going be a romantically involved in the near future. My guess is they could take a cue from the Stan Lee strip and have the two of them in a long-distance relationship.

This then leads to a third reaction which I'm sure is in the back of most folks who hated "One More Day" (which was just about everybody, including BND supporters): "Something stinks in Spider-Man Land and its not just the brimstone." The fact that MJ is with a guy who, by all accounts, is a arrogant, self-righteous, violence-prone ass, her echo of her famous "Face it, Tiger" line, the "magic" reference in the same line, and her reading Goethe's Faust are not only jabs at the reader but also implies that there's something really wrong with all of this, despite all the wax-nostalgia and tongue-in-check "Stan Lee" style narration that has been going on. Then again, maybe that's the whole idea.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. MJ dating some guy like that, just seems a bit off. Then again, with everyone saying that "MJ remembers OMD", her dating any guy wouldn't make sense. I would like to think there's more then meets the eye to this situation, but that would be giving Marvel a bit too much credit.

 

[Themanofbat]

My second reaction was "So, I guess Amazing Spider-Man #600 will be where Peter and MJ get back together again, huh Marvel?" After all, Slott wouldn't put THAT much emphasis on the final panel if this wasn't going to happen sometime down the road, especially considering that MJ is just as much a staple character to Spider-Man as Jonah and Aunt May are. Perhaps their getting married again is off the table, but certainly they're going be a romantically involved in the near future. My guess is they could take a cue from the Stan Lee strip and have the two of them in a long-distance relationship.

I'm not so sure why that reaction would be so shocking (I know, I know.. you didn't say "shocking"), but truth be told, JQ and Marvel never had a problem with Peter and MJ being together.... they had a problem with them being a married couple. So with Spider-Man culture having Mary Jane now "fixed" as his girl Friday, it's only a matter of time before they re-hook up in the comics. It just might be a bumpy road before we get there.

 

[stillanerd]

You didn't really say that did you?

Well, okay, I didn't say EXACTLY those words, certainly not out loud anyway.t:. And anyway, my point was that MJ being Carr's "mystery girlfriend" not to mention her coming back shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone, especially since the solicits for this issue implied as such and that she been shown in promotional artwork for the upcoming "New Ways to Die." If anything, this only reaffirms my belief that BND is indeed borrowing the Spider-Man 2 subplot of Peter and MJ going their separate ways only to eventually lead back to one another. After all, there's an old adage that says "Don't show a gun in the first act if it won't be used in the third."

I agree with pretty much everything you said. MJ dating some guy like that, just seems a bit off. Then again, with everyone saying that "MJ remembers OMD", her dating any guy wouldn't make sense. I would like to think there's more then meets the eye to this situation, but that would be giving Marvel a bit too much credit.

Well, there is a theory that if MJ is Jackpot (which I happen to think so) that she is posing as Carr's girlfriend in order to protect him from Paper Doll--if they know about him being stalked that is. That at least gives some rationale as to why MJ would be going out with such an obvious jerk. Although, there certainly is the possibility they are making things up as they go along.

I'm not so sure why that reaction would be so shocking (I know, I know.. you didn't say "shocking"), but truth be told, JQ and Marvel never had a problem with Peter and MJ being together.... they had a problem with them being a married couple. So with Spider-Man culture having Mary Jane now "fixed" as his girl Friday, it's only a matter of time before they re-hook up in the comics. It just might be a bumpy road before we get there.

You're right, it isn't, and you and I are pretty much on the same page with regards to this. Like I quoted above about the playwright adage, "Don't show a gun in the first act if it won't be used in the third."

 

[JayTee]

OH. MY. GOD. Some of you people are still whining about the JMS-Verse not being addressed?!

Brand New Day has been GOLDEN so far, I hope it's NEVER changes back.

The new villains are great (specially PaperDoll and Screwball, it's about time Spidey has some female baddies), Harry being alive rules, Spider-Man will never grow older than you, give it up, this is great stuff.

Zoom.

 

[Themanofbat]

OH. MY. GOD. Some of you people are still whining about the JMS-Verse not being addressed?!

Brand New Day has been GOLDEN so far, I hope it's NEVER changes back.

The new villains are great (specially PaperDoll and Screwball, it's about time Spidey has some female baddies), Harry being alive rules, Spider-Man will never grow older than you, give it up, this is great stuff.

Zoom.

t: t: t:

 

[JayTee]

Oh, and that artist who did the last 2 is great. Obvious Tim Sale and Bruce Timm influences.

 

[Styleshift]

OH. MY. GOD. Some of you people are still whining about the JMS-Verse not being addressed?!

Brand New Day has been GOLDEN so far, I hope it's NEVER changes back.

The new villains are great (specially PaperDoll and Screwball, it's about time Spidey has some female baddies), Harry being alive rules, Spider-Man will never grow older than you, give it up, this is great stuff.

Zoom.

If you like all logic being ignored than suuuure.
as for JMS I think wiping out basically all his work was an insult to such a great writer. He brought Spidey back from being crap...He never forced his stories until editorial got involved like what happened with Howard Mackie and company with the clone saga. after 7 years of writing spidey and he gets stuck with the crap that was OMD and all of his work gets disregarded with the new status quo? that my friend....is a VERY messed up way to send off someone who is very respectful of others.

JMS in my book goes down with one of the greats in spidey's history.

along with The clone saga crew and Venom's creators.
all good ideas. but since they were selling marvel wanted to squeeze the crap out of the money they could make. and the creators got stuck with the blame.

 

[Themanofbat]

If you like all logic being ignored than suuuure.

Show me the logic that is being ignored... and not the stuff that we're waiting to get explained... I mean stuff that we've read thus far.

as for JMS I think wiping out basically all his work was an insult to such a great writer. He brought Spidey back from being crap...He never forced his stories until editorial got involved like what happened with Howard Mackie and company with the clone saga. after 7 years of writing spidey and he gets stuck with the crap that was OMD and all of his work gets disregarded with the new status quo? that my friend....is a VERY messed up way to send off someone who is very respectful of others.

JMS in my book goes down with one of the greats in spidey's history.

along with The clone saga crew and Venom's creators.
all good ideas. but since they were selling marvel wanted to squeeze the crap out of the money they could make. and the creators got stuck with the blame.

I did a comparison one time with all the writers that have graced the pages of ASM (fillers not included), and there have been about a dozen of them, and JMS ranked around 7th or 8th place... some of his stuff was good, but he ALWAYS fumbled the ball on his last chapters to all his arcs that left me feeling like I wasted my time (there were a few exceptions), and he did indeed craft some gems, but at the end of the day, he'll rank as a middle of the road writer on ASM... in MY opinion.

 

[Styleshift]

That's an easy one. The way they used magic as a means to skip the logic.
Peter Parker is a man of science.

and he's dealt with Mephisto before. he's met Ghost rider.
He should of known the ramifications that could or probably will occur.
It was pretty poor to say it's magic "we don't have to explain it" since they essentially picked whatever they wanted to throw out and put back into the mix in the spidey verse.

The logic ignored is using mephisto as a means to end "fix" things. I mean this is a chance to seriously cause some damage to the spidey verse. not create a new hero called Jackpot. or bring back his best friend. when it comes to Mephisto all logic was thrown out of the window. and they molded him to fit there needs like they did with spidey and his unmasking

 

[Dark Spidey]

Another great issue. Loved that last page, and have never been happier in my Spidey-reading life than I am right now. Thanks Spidey-braintrust!!

Also, did anyone else buy the first Brand New Day Premiere Hardcover that was out this week?

 

[Themanofbat]

Another great issue. Loved that last page, and have never been happier in my Spidey-reading life than I am right now. Thanks Spidey-braintrust!!

Also, did anyone else buy the first Brand New Day Premiere Hardcover that was out this week?

No... was it reprinted material?

 

[Themanofbat]

That's an easy one. The way they used magic as a means to skip the logic.
Peter Parker is a man of science.

and he's dealt with Mephisto before. he's met Ghost rider.
He should of known the ramifications that could or probably will occur.
It was pretty poor to say it's magic "we don't have to explain it" since they essentially picked whatever they wanted to throw out and put back into the mix in the spidey verse.

The logic ignored is using mephisto as a means to end "fix" things. I mean this is a chance to seriously cause some damage to the spidey verse. not create a new hero called Jackpot. or bring back his best friend. when it comes to Mephisto all logic was thrown out of the window. and they molded him to fit there needs like they did with spidey and his unmasking

So in your case... the logic is subjective.

Remember, these are COMICS... and the one thing I've learned in 33 + years of weekly comic book reading is that anything can happen.

Was it logical to use Mephisto? Of course not. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

Otherwise, Mephisto would only appear in books like Silver Surfer, Thor or Ghost Rider. Dr. Doom would only appear in the FF, and Spidey would never find himself in a battle against the likes of FireLord, the Juggernaut or the Abomination.