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Comics Amazing Spider-Man: Love it or Leave it?

Amazing Spider-Man: Love it or Leave it?

  • ASM is great and I still enjoy it.

  • ASM is garbage and Spider-Man is dead.


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Mostly I'm following through blog pages and boards. Not the best way to do it, I know. But I can't shell out money to a series I don't completely feel committed to. I did buy the first few issues then stopped. I actually could live with a single Pete if he got his enhancements back.
 
Just like Clone Saga.....this OMD/BND reboot is practically MADE to be FORGOTTEN....forgotten by the fans, and forgotten by Marvel.

There will come a point, where everything during the devil-deal-world issues currently out will be a moot point. Marvel will admit it was/is a mistake like they do now with Clone Saga, despite hyping it as the best thing since sliced bread when it was be put out, like BND now.

Eventually, we will be moving forward again, continuity will be re-instated, history will be what it was originally, that Pete and MJ were indeed married.

Ten or 15 years from now, when this reboot and devil talk are the distant past, there may be a OMD/BND mini, just like there is a Clone Saga one now.

Otherwise, something experimental like this ongoing reboot is only spinning it's tires in the mud, with no real meaning or long lasting reprecussions, since it's literally an extended What If, that has "MEANT TO BE FORGOTTEN" written all over it.

We're going thru Spidey's TEENAGE years right now (if you've raised kids you know what i mean!) Basically, the person you once knew is hard to like currently, and not as recognizable like the nice person you once knew. But eventually, they'll grow out of their ugly phase and be enjoyable to be around again.
 
Just like Clone Saga.....this OMD/BND reboot is practically MADE to be FORGOTTEN....forgotten by the fans, and forgotten by Marvel.

Maybe you WANT those to be forgotten but they are not. Marvel Comics, not the fans, went out of the way to not mention the Clone Saga. There are a ton of fans that love, still love, the Clone Saga. In fact, they did a What If issue on it and what happened? They spawned Spider-Girl out of it. And, somehow, the story is still going.

They are doing the original archetype of the Clone Saga in a miniseries, which you already mentioned. Then there is going to be a "Who is Ben Reilly?" story arc in Amazing Spider-Man. They are bringing back Kaine into the regular Marvel universe in the upcoming Web of Spider-Man debut.

But, I guess that's all because it's supposed to be forgotten, right? :cwink:
 
I am totally fine, at this point, with bringing back "parts" of the Clone Saga, if they don't have anything better to write, that is NEW. It's all cool.

The trend is bringing back old things in spidey land, it seems. Maybe we'll see more of the spider-mobile, besides the #600 tribute? :cwink:

In any rate, they're not bringing the central premises of Clone Saga back...that the Peter we've read all of our lives is a fake. That's the part the fans didn't like, or couldn't stand. And was meant to be forgotten. The core of Clone saga, thus, was in the end, created to be forgotten. I meant, it was an idea or plot, that was horrible, at it's foundation, not meant to last the test of time obviously.
 
Leave it. If I wanted stories about the 70s-esque swingin' single Spider-Man, I'd read those stories, not a half-assed attempt at reliving them. When compared to the stuff from the past two years, it doesn't feel like the Peter Parker I've grown up with, but a wierd mix of a green amateur and a pathetic guy going through a mid-life crisis. It just feels wrong to me that the Peter Parker in Ultimate Spider-Man is more competant and mature then the one in Amazing.

Double agree.
 
Love it. If I wanted stories about a married Spider-Man I'd read the last 20 years of books. :p

But yes, seriously: Love it. Didn't like OMD....but loved the results!

There's a difference and you know it. Going back to the 70's era stuff is a regression. Having him get married is progress in the character and story. It's stupid/lazy/boring the way it has regressed. At this point it feels like we're just going through the motions.

I mean really, did anyone here think Doc Ock was really going to die and stay dead when they saw him in issue 600? When I saw him instead of being emotionally involved in any way it was just like "yeah ok, we'll see how long this lasts...":whatever:

The comics as they are, are completely devoid of anything emotionally gripping due to the fact it is still piggy backing off of the OMD story. Everything feels fake and phony. It's like the comic is just chugging along waiting for someone to finally put it right.
 
Just like Clone Saga.....this OMD/BND reboot is practically MADE to be FORGOTTEN....forgotten by the fans, and forgotten by Marvel.

There will come a point, where everything during the devil-deal-world issues currently out will be a moot point. Marvel will admit it was/is a mistake like they do now with Clone Saga, despite hyping it as the best thing since sliced bread when it was be put out, like BND now.

Eventually, we will be moving forward again, continuity will be re-instated, history will be what it was originally, that Pete and MJ were indeed married.

Ten or 15 years from now, when this reboot and devil talk are the distant past, there may be a OMD/BND mini, just like there is a Clone Saga one now.

Otherwise, something experimental like this ongoing reboot is only spinning it's tires in the mud, with no real meaning or long lasting reprecussions, since it's literally an extended What If, that has "MEANT TO BE FORGOTTEN" written all over it.

We're going thru Spidey's TEENAGE years right now (if you've raised kids you know what i mean!) Basically, the person you once knew is hard to like currently, and not as recognizable like the nice person you once knew. But eventually, they'll grow out of their ugly phase and be enjoyable to be around again.

Brilliant. Well put and spot on.
 
I am totally fine, at this point, with bringing back "parts" of the Clone Saga, if they don't have anything better to write, that is NEW. It's all cool.

The trend is bringing back old things in spidey land, it seems. Maybe we'll see more of the spider-mobile, besides the #600 tribute? :cwink:

In any rate, they're not bringing the central premises of Clone Saga back...that the Peter we've read all of our lives is a fake. That's the part the fans didn't like, or couldn't stand. And was meant to be forgotten. The core of Clone saga, thus, was in the end, created to be forgotten. I meant, it was an idea or plot, that was horrible, at it's foundation, not meant to last the test of time obviously.

Dang it Nudie! I had a rebuttal almost completely typed out and you stole my thunder. I didn't see that you responded to his statement already. But that's exactly right. They make these changes and everyone knows it won't last. It wasn't meant to last. Like the clone saga. Not that it won't be brought up again ever. Just that it won't last in the comics forever. Eventually it will be restored to the way it was and should be, it's true canon. As soon as they clean this crap up I'll be back.
 
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Where did this new controversey suddenly come from? You'd think that a year and a half later the people who didn't like would just stop reading and discussing it.

I used to watch Smallville, I no longer like Smallville, I don't go into the Smallville section anymore.

It's funny you say that because alot of people didn't even vote in this poll because they hate it so much they stay out of the Spider-Man threads now. Really. I just talked to them in another thread.

So the fact it's ALMOST split down the middle yet there are people that hate it enough to not even vote says something. I think the majority of fans hate it. And have either stayed around to be vocal about it and wait it out. While others have straight up quit. I'm about to join the later. Marvel is taking way to long in cleaning this up.
 
In any rate, they're not bringing the central premises of Clone Saga back...that the Peter we've read all of our lives is a fake. That's the part the fans didn't like, or couldn't stand. And was meant to be forgotten. The core of Clone saga, thus, was in the end, created to be forgotten. I meant, it was an idea or plot, that was horrible, at it's foundation, not meant to last the test of time obviously.

Well, it's still not forgotten because you just brought it up again. :oldrazz: And, of course, they are not going to bring that part of it back into the continuity of Spider-Man. But it's certainly not forgotten by the fans. Personally I loved that Ben Reilly was the "original" and the Peter Parker going around for years was "the cloned version". I enjoyed the dynamic that it set up in the Spider-Man books at the time.

It's unfortunate that fans didn't seem to understand what those writers, under much pressure from the Marvel marketing department, were trying to get across to the fans. The moral of the entire story to me was, "Just because he was a 'clone' does not mean that he was any less of a man or a hero. That if it were the real version or the clone version the decisions would have still been the same." Many fans didn't want to understand that, and still don't, because "The Peter Parker I read for all those years was a clone? THAT'S JUST BLASPHEMY!!!". It was STILL THE SAME GUY.

But I don't think this "era" of Spider-Man will be forgotten. It's nothing like the Clone Saga. Personally I think this "era" is meant to take Spider-Man into the future.

You know why they changed the Clone Saga? I'm sure you KNOW why they did it. The fan letters helped. Though the SALES DROPPED. They dropped badly. Bad enough for Marvel to go, "Well, we better fix this.". They did.

Now after One More Day, and then into the Brand New Day storyline, the sales didn't drop. They stayed, pretty much the same. It hasn't warranted them to "change things back to the way they were.".

If they do one day, then they do. If you're waiting for Joe Quesada to leave and for this "unnamed Editor in Chief savior" to come in you are absolutely kidding yourself.

You want it to be forgotten, nudie. You want it to change back? Well, write Marvel a letter. In fact, write them dozens of letters. Why? Because in this day and age a comic book company is going to take a letter more seriously than a bunch of rants on message boards. It's easy to come on a message board and say, "One More Day was trash! This new direction is trash! They are regressing the character back to the 1970's and the 1980's! He's getting drunk and sleeping with women now! This is just wrong!" The guys who make the decisions on these changes are not going to come on a message board to read the reactions. They'll have interns do it, even if they do that. But a letter? They will take that more seriously because you sat down and took the time to write out your thoughts with a pen, or pencil, put it in an envelope, put a stamp on it, and mail it. And if it's still, "This new direction is trash! etc". Well, it probably still won't be taken seriously.

To the people who are Joe Quesada's boss it's about the sales. The sales have not gone down for them to warrant this "change back" that a lot of the people who dislike it want. The only way for it to change is if the sales keep dropping. They aren't. There are more people out there that like it than dislike it.

To Joe Quesada, to Marvel, to a lot of creators who work hard to make entertaining stories...you know what they see when they see people complain over and over again about stories? Because it's what I see from a lot of posters sometimes, and I'm not talking about you, nudie, just trying to give some insight to others who ARE guilty. They see little children who are pounding their fists on the floor in a department store because their mommy won't buy them the "Cool action figure". And most of the people who sound like that are, most times, grown men.

Opinions are opinions. Everyone has one just like we all have *******s. Though this whole, "If we don't stop complaining about it they will think that we like it" doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. Because it's been almost two whole years now...nothing has changed. And in the coming months, it's still not changing. They have stories planned almost a year in advance, and there are no talks of anything changing.

So from one Spider-Man fan, who enjoys the Spider-Man comics he's reading month in and month out...Good luck with your complaints and opinions.
 
Hey! Thanks for the well written rebuttal there SIAT..!! I enjoyed reading your views here, after i got home from work!

I like discussing with calm intelligent posters like you.

I agree with many things you wrote, though spidey sales HAVE taken quite the hit, and have even sunk below the 80,000 threshhold Slott himself once bet it wouldn't...selling below the 60's often now.

I know lots of friends who do not post online, that HAVE written letters to marvel. I personally don't think ANYTHING would make Joe and Marvel change their reboot RIGHTNOW...unless it was literally, suddenly, not selling a single issue.

Also, I've seen intelligents posts totally flippantly disregarded ONLINE by Marvel staff....which is totally not cool with me.

BUt I agree, there are also babies that throw fits and call names online...and those should be disregarded...even if i agree with them....i find them dis-honorable.

So, i think it is unfair to just label all "online" posters as cavemen who have no brains and just pound out drivel on their keyboards. (not saying YOU do that!)

But, i did buy NWTD TPB, and #600. Rest i read of my friends, who hates the direction but is keeping up his very very long run.
I want to like my favorite hero a lot. I can't tho, which it makes me sad he feels so wrong to me, and that it is as devisive a time to read spidey as back in the Clone Saga days.

I wish there was a legitamate CHOICE...like an ongoing world/comic with no devil deal...where the story ACTUALLY ended heroicly, where Pete shoves his foot deep up the devil's butt.

Then we could TRULY battle it out with our wallets....not online....see which issue outsells, with equal talent and promotions....a SINGLE ALTERNATE SPIDEY WORLD,....or the TRUE noble and heroic Amazing Spider-Man that did marry the love of his life, and doesn't hesitate in making good decisions and doing what's right.
 
I suppose as long as Spidey has all these hookups I can tolerate the nonsense. The question is, how many women in New York will he go through before all this is retconned? And what will happen to his reputation in the superhero community? Loose Peter. Who'd a thunk it?
 
I suppose as long as Spidey has all these hookups I can tolerate the nonsense. The question is, how many women in New York will he go through before all this is retconned? And what will happen to his reputation in the superhero community? Loose Peter. Who'd a thunk it?

That's odd: You pluralized "hookup" as if there's been more than one...
 
She's making up her posts as she goes along...

:whatever:
 
Cripes. Thread police now. I'll brush up on "cliched responses to posts and exasperation" in my spare time. And everyone here "makes up" posts as they go. Unless someone saves them on hardrive and does cut and paste. Based on the length of some of these posts, I have to wonder. Some of these comments are practically chapters but I don't leap on anyone about it.

Hookup was used as an expression. A rundown was given of all of Peter's previous relationships in several posts here. The "swinging" Pete lifestyle has been referenced already. Supposedly according to solicits, we have the potential Felicia relationship looming. Everyone knows the situation with MJ. And Betty isn't necessarily out of the mix, nor is Menace. A return of Sarah and Gabriel has been mentioned on the web. So already there are two serious potential relationships, tangled with the mess involving Michelle.

Ergo, we'll see how the hookups go. Real or potential.
 
Miss Webb laying the smack down. I love how they all shutup after that.
 
^Nobody responding for 39 minutes is everyone shutting up?
 
Some of these comments are practically chapters but I don't leap on anyone about it.

Isn't that just "leaping on", but in a more passive-aggressive way? (I wouldn't have said anything, but Dac seems to think we're all "afraid" or somesuch)
 
And everyone here "makes up" posts as they go.

I used the exact same line that you used in a post from last night as to how the Spidey writers are "making up the stories as they go"...


See?

... Why not, they're making this up as they go anyway...

Maybe you shouldn't criticize someone else' writing if you can't be bothered to remembered your own writing...

:oldrazz: :oldrazz: :oldrazz:
 
Cripes. Thread police now. I'll brush up on "cliched responses to posts and exasperation" in my spare time. And everyone here "makes up" posts as they go. Unless someone saves them on hardrive and does cut and paste. Based on the length of some of these posts, I have to wonder. Some of these comments are practically chapters but I don't leap on anyone about it.

Hookup was used as an expression. A rundown was given of all of Peter's previous relationships in several posts here. The "swinging" Pete lifestyle has been referenced already. Supposedly according to solicits, we have the potential Felicia relationship looming. Everyone knows the situation with MJ. And Betty isn't necessarily out of the mix, nor is Menace. A return of Sarah and Gabriel has been mentioned on the web. So already there are two serious potential relationships, tangled with the mess involving Michelle.

Ergo, we'll see how the hookups go. Real or potential.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get it. You're basically listing just about any girl in Peter's life and counting them as a possible hookup? Well then you forgot Carlie and May! :-p

- Black Cat: I'll give you this one as "potential", since the upcoming story actually seems to hint at something with them.
- MJ: Actually, aside from those who work at Marvel, nobody knows the situation with her. ;)
- Betty: She counted, why? Because they dated back in the day?
- Menace: I'm pretty sure it's pretty safe to take her off the list. I mean, she IS Harry's ex-fiance who's now pregnant with Norman's child...and an insane Goblin.
- Sarah: Again, I'm pretty sure we can take her off the list here, seeing as how she's Norman and Gwen's "lovechild", and her rapidly-aging problem probably has her about dead by now.
- Michelle: She actually counts, because that's a hookup that seems to have actually happened...once.
 

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