Comics Poll: If you've dropped the title, why have you dropped it?

[farmernudie]

Another problem I have with this reboot is that it doesn't even feel like it takes place in this era. I fee like I'm reading 70's again, which at the time were good comics...but Pete has moved beyond that time in his life now.

Things are too corny, Pete is too depowered, and everything just feels "regressed" to me.

Not only have they changed his history as to what has or not happened to him, but they've made it so that he's never grown up kinda, or never EXPERIENCED or LEARNED from any past experiences now.

 

[Norman Osborn]

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[Styleshift]

Another problem I have with this reboot is that it doesn't even feel like it takes place in this era. I fee like I'm reading 70's again, which at the time were good comics...but Pete has moved beyond that time in his life now.

Things are too corny, Pete is too depowered, and everything just feels "regressed" to me.

Not only have they changed his history as to what has or not happened to him, but they've made it so that he's never grown up kinda, or never EXPERIENCED or LEARNED from any past experiences now.

Next Joey Q. will find a way to reboot him back to his high school days.

I just saw an interview with him. he said that the internet is so inaccurate so they don't pay attention to what it says. they listen to the retailers instead because thats "ground zero" and they know whats really happening.

The only way to restore continuity is if sales take a drastic clone saga-esque bomb. boo hoo t:

 

[farmernudie]

I am sure Joe has selective hearing with comic shops too....because I personally know many that say OMD/BND is not doing well, and decreasing even, just like the numbers show.

In fact, in an interview in wizard or online somewhere i read, there was a shop owner asking Joe about the horrible sales of spidey in HIS comic shop, and this was SOME time ago, and Joe's answer pretty much blew him off. So, he has an excuse for everything...angry internet fans, comic shops nopt selling..etc...

So, JQ makes me laugh, because he often doesn't answer the question if it doesn't spin things in a light he wants.

He'll continue to push his reboot, and continue to make it sound like a success for as long as he can....he's not gonna change things back to normal without kicking and screaming...no matter what anyone says.

 

[carnageehw]

One story that would get me reading every issue of it's arc would be a "The is everything that happened since OMD" storyline.

I don't know about anyone else, but it's really, REALLY annoying to have to read about characters when an immesnley important part of who they are at this moment is missing.

This is a HUGE reason why it feels like regression (you know, moreso than the fact that he actually regressed). One month he was one way, the next month he was another. Maybe, just maybe, if they gave us a linear story it would be easier to swallow. You know, show how he got the way he is.

This "we'll tell you in time" is BS. No. Tell me know. You greatly changed a character we all love, and are asking us to accept him and his firends who are all completley different. No. Unacceptable. Insulting. Bad writing. Tell us what happened, and do it bloody soon.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

One story that would get me reading every issue of it's arc would be a "The is everything that happened since OMD" storyline.

I don't know about anyone else, but it's really, REALLY annoying to have to read about characters when an immesnley important part of who they are at this moment is missing.

This is a HUGE reason why it feels like regression (you know, moreso than the fact that he actually regressed). One month he was one way, the next month he was another. Maybe, just maybe, if they gave us a linear story it would be easier to swallow. You know, show how he got the way he is.

This "we'll tell you in time" is BS. No. Tell me know. You greatly changed a character we all love, and are asking us to accept him and his firends who are all completley different. No. Unacceptable. Insulting. Bad writing. Tell us what happened, and do it bloody soon.

i think the Amazing Spider-man: Extra one shot issue coming out this week is supposed to touch on some of that, isnt it?

 

[carnageehw]

i think the Amazing Spider-man: Extra one shot issue coming out this week is supposed to touch on some of that, isnt it?

I haven't heard anything, but if true, I'll pick it up. What day is it supposed to come out?

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I haven't heard anything, but if true, I'll pick it up. What day is it supposed to come out?

New books come out Wednesdays in the U.S.,...

Not sure about the rest of the world.

 

[carnageehw]

New books come out Wednesdays in the U.S.,...

Not sure about the rest of the world.

Well, I'm Canadian, and that's like America Jr. I'll drop by Thursday hopefully.

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, I'm Canadian, and that's like America Jr. I'll drop by Thursday hopefully.

Tsk, tsk... as Canadians, we're the cool version of what Americans aspire to be like...

 

[Hobgoblin]

Tsk, tsk... as Canadians, we're the cool version of what Americans aspire to be like...

Hm...Canada...They have some pretty hot women up there.

How about jobs? Are there any?

 

[chris moore]

My reasons were two fold - the dissolution of the marriage, and the de-aging/maturity of Peter. The fact that they made a deal with the devil is neither here nor there because frankly there was no way they could have done what they have that didnt reek of a deux ex machina, which is an ironic move for the "everyman hero" and the "relateable, we've all been through elements of Peters life" that they claim they wanted to get back to.

Ah yes, that summer in my teens when I realised I'd made a wrong choice along the way and didnt know what to do but luckily for me a genie popped up and offered to fix it all and start me over again from a happier time in my life. It was quite the coninkydink when I read the exact same thing happening to Peter Parker when his PERSONAL (not superheroic/fantasy) life got screwed up. I felt like someone out there knew what I had gone through and put it on paper...

The method by which they resolved it all shouldnt really matter as it is not a continuing matter. Peter isnt aware of it and so doesnt spend every issue contemplating having made the right decision. Its the after effects and direction of the character that have made me drop the book. I won't go into the specifics that made me drop it after the first five issues of BND as they have all been listed and discussed here and in other threads a thousand times.

But what I would like opinions on are the ways they could have handled this without making it seem like an entirely separate universe to the rest of the Marvel line. How they could have reintegrated Peter and Spidey into the current status quo rather than what they have done by (and regardless of what the editors and writers say or how they put it - this is the way it is) regressing Peter to his life in the 70's but keeping him at 26ish.

For one thing, in the Avengers titles just prior to Secret Invasion, Spidey is always shown as being in Danny Rand's building and living with the Secret Avengers, if not just spending virtually all his time there. This could quite easily have been the case with Peter in BND. Instead of having the sad bastard living back with May like a basement dwelling hacker geek, and subsquently going through the rigamorole of findign a place on no money and getting a roommate and taking charity etc, they could have gone with Peter living with the Avengers and just keeping his mask on whenever not in his designated bedroom. Even back in the original Avengers mansion they all walk around having breakfast in their costumes, so its not weird for Spidey to do so with the Secret Avengers in their off-time. Routinely avoiding anyone coming back to 'his new apartment that no-one ever sees' would just be his latest constant fib to avoid revealing he's spidey - like sneaking off to call the cops or get pics when trouble comes and everyone thinking he's a wuss.

To be honest this eliminates the rubbish about Harry lending him money, people taking pity on him and insisting he come out with them to places he hates to take his mind off the crap-fest that is his life. And most importantly it keeps him well immersed in the MU, talking about personal issues with fellow avengers without revealing his ID like he used to do with Johnny Storm, but still making it necessary for him to bunk down and freeload of Rand like they are trying to make him like because he still can;t get a good job and he's still hunted by the initiative and he can't be living with May any longer but has few alternatives.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Tsk, tsk... as Canadians, we're the cool version of what Americans aspire to be like...

That's right canadians, taking the very best of traits from everyone. From the Frenchman's arrogance, self righteousness and lack of personal hygine to the Englishman's effite mannerisms and sense of self importance to the American's sense of self entitlement. Combine all that with two official languages, snow and a herion addict's paradise and you've got canada: giving you such treasures as celine dion and brian adams. Personally I think we're putting the wall up on the wrong border. Sure mexico smuggles drugs but they don't force talentless "artists" here and make them stay. We've got enough of those already you maple syrup drinking bastards!!!

Though I will agree the women are hot and surprisingly easy. I used to make my bread and butter on canadian tourists vacationing in south florida.

 

[Xclaim]

I picked A.

You don't just erase the marriage/overall existance of the most popular couple in comic books this side of Lois and Clark.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Canada gave us William Shatner, Jim Carrey... and Tom Green...
Joe Q's gave us stupid Peter, out of character ****-Gwen, demon dealer MJ, KILLED PETER PARKER twice!! unmasked him... and made him a magical warrior... I think we can forgive Canada a lot easier than Joe Q...

 

[moraldeficiency]

Canada gave us William Shatner, Jim Carrey... and Tom Green...
Joe Q's gave us stupid Peter, out of character ****-Gwen, demon dealer MJ, KILLED PETER PARKER twice!! unmasked him... and made him a magical warrior... I think we can forgive Canada a lot easier than Joe Q...

Remember the titanic song?



NEVER FORGET!!!

 

[Themanofbat]

You guys all act like we Canuckleheads actually like Celine Dion...



Decent singer in Canada... made famous in the USA...

Blame yourselves...

 

[moraldeficiency]

You guys all act like we Canuckleheads actually like Celine Dion...



Decent singer in Canada... made famous in the USA...

Blame yourselves...

She should have been fed to the wolves at birth, she bore the sign of the antichrist. You bastards just passed the buck, admit it.

 

[chris moore]

Seem to have slipped away from the subject guys.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Man! Now that you reminded me of Celine Dion... You're making it harder for me to forgive Canada...

Oh yeah! I almost forgot One More Day... Ok Canada You're off the Hook...

 

[mre]

I voted OTHER reason because...
Let's face it. I like a story with a beginning, a middle, and an end. Spider-Man had a beginning, I believe he had a middle (I would say his middle would have to be from where Gwen died to when he got married to MJ). Here's the thing. Spider-man will never have an ending (except for "Spider-Man: The End" or something like that). As long as Marvel is around, Spidey will be around. That means they will always be reinventing the character to flow with the times. And I am not interested in that.

By the way, if you ask me, I am going to have to say that Spider-Man Rein is my fav Spider-Man end story.


And YES Demogoblin, Canada offers plenty of jobs (good ones even!), and plenty of rich capitalist bastards, just like the States.

 

[spiderfan970]

I voted that the stories just aren't holding me. When it boils down to it, if the story is interesting an compelling enough I can look past the continuity changes and all of that...but it's just the same stuff. I've tried to go along with the ride, and really, my other reasons for not liking the books currently are like 3/4ths of the reasons you have listed. But if I had to pick another one, it'd be c) The de-evolving of the character's maturity and perspective. I miss JMS' take on the characters, though I didn't always like his stories, his Peter Parker just rang so true to me and now it feels kind of off.

Though I do think that once we get through all of these new crappy characters they've tried to integrate into the books pass they'll get back to more classic villains and maybe then some of the stories will be better...Possibly.

 

[Styleshift]

peter feels too much like ultimate spider-man.

 

[Dmain_Event]

I don't so much mind that they ended the marriage, its that they couldn't do it within continuity. That is what bugs me the most.

 

[Miss Webb]

b) The destruction of the timeline
c) The de-evolving of the character's maturity and perspective
d) The erasure of growth elements like his power-base

I actually LIKED the "other" and the previous back in black storylines. This drek is hard to swallow, even if you drink first.