anyone think it was strange that storm turned on jean instantly?

[gambitfire]

You changing the topic proves nothing, and bring up the Phoenix vs Storm doesn't help your situation.

i know i was just implying that when it comes too Storm their are about 4 ppl on this threads that get touchy and very very very defensive and offensive.

 

[micky-fox]

it's just because i feel that you don't take other opinions into consideration because of your love for the character, or the love of being right i dunno.

i maybe wrong, i don't hate the character and if you read my posts ive been taking things into consideration; im not a Storm hater!!

No one's attacking you, YOU CALLED ME IMMATURE!!!!

No offense, but the post I was referring to was immature.

I just seen the movie how I seen it... and you haven't been able to change my opinion...

 

[gambitfire]

No offense, but the post I was referring to was immature.

I just seen the movie how I seen it... and you haven't been able to change my opinion...

edit- never mind i misread that

double edit- the post was immature?!

triple edit- Oh wait you mean the have fun thinking your right...............well you where acting like it so i said it sorry it was bad i know.

 

[The Kid]

It might have came up, but I doubt she would have planned it.

the line about "doing what you need to do bla bla bla" is, I think anyway, a pretty obvious setup line for the confrontation with the wicked witch at the end.

did she plan it to specifically be logan alone who confronts jean? No, I don't think so. the line is exactly what lighting strikes says it is to me. I finally read some more of the thread. I think she was just thinking of the possibility that logan would be too emotional when "the time comes." which I believe she's just saying is the time they will face jean and he'd not work with the team anymore because he can't bring himself up to kill her. she wants him to work with the team to defeat someone he loves. there's no doubt there. When they go out to fight the brotherhood, they're fighting jean too. yeah.

 

[MoPlaYa]

I understand why Storm turned on Jean ...She killed Scott and Professor X

 

[micky-fox]

the line about "doing what you need to do bla bla bla" is, I think anyway, a pretty obvious setup line for the confrontation with the wicked witch at the end.

did she plan it to specifically be logan alone who confronts jean? No, I don't think so. the line is exactly what lighting strikes says it is to me. I finally read some more of the thread. I think she was just thinking of the possibility that logan would be too emotional when "the time comes." which I believe she's just saying is the time they will face jean and not work with the team anymore... she wants him to work with the team to defeat someone he loves. there's no doubt there. When they go out to fight the brotherhood, they're fighting jean too. yeah.

Hmm... some your post, I agree with. Just a bit shady on certain parts. I believe she knew in her mind that something big would go down with Jean, but if she wasn't planning on Logan killing her, how could that line to Logan be a setup?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Storm's reaction made sense.

She knew that the real Jean was gone. She knew that she needed to be stopped. She knew what needed to be done. And she knew that Wolverine going after her was only going to jeopardize the X-Men further. She was looking out for the best interest of everyone.

Although some kind of interaction between Storm and Jean would have been pretty good.

At least Storm didn't take THAT role away from Cyclops

 

[gambitfire]

I understand why Storm turned on Jean ...She killed Scott and Professor X

The Professor yes that should be enough for her, but Scott!?

Oh yes she really mourned Scott

 

[gambitfire]

At least Storm didn't take THAT role away from Cyclops

...........oh wait i took that the wrong way


he he he he he.....

 

[micky-fox]

Storm's reaction made sense.

She knew that the real Jean was gone. She knew that she needed to be stopped. She knew what needed to be done. And she knew that Wolverine going after her was only going to jeopardize the X-Men further. She was looking out for the best interest of everyone.

Although some kind of interaction between Storm and Jean would have been pretty good.

At least Storm didn't take THAT role away from Cyclops

Yes, exactly. I would have liked to see them interact before she went and killed the professor... that way it wouldn't involve demolecurization and lightning bolts...

 

[Goddessreicho]

You know what would have been great, some character interaction in the Almighty X2...one of the reasons why I felt jaded by it.

The had a perfect oppurtunity to have Jean and Storm have a conversation outside of X-business during the 15 min flight to boston ;P

 

[micky-fox]

You know what would have been great, some character interaction in the Almighty X2...one of the reasons why I felt jaded by it.

The had a perfect oppurtunity to have Jean and Storm have a conversation outside of X-business during the 15 min flight to boston ;P

That was definitely a waste of useful screentime.

 

[The Kid]

Hmm... some your post, I agree with. Just a bit shady on certain parts. I believe she knew in her mind that something big would go down with Jean, but if she wasn't planning on Logan killing her, how could that line to Logan be a setup?

I believe it's meant to be interpreted by the audience that halle knows that Logan's still conflicted about how to deal with Jean, kill her or something else because he loves her too much to kill her... storm's made her mind up, Jean wants death? she'll give it to her, but logan may still be on the fence. so it sets up for us the idea that he's probably going to face this conflict later and resolve it somehow... i hope that makes sense...

 

[Goddessreicho]

I know. People think that Singer was a god, fact is that the whole trilogy was missing crucial elements of characterization.

To many wasted oppurtunities, not enough essential dialoge....one of the reason's why I'm worried about a big budget x4

I mean is it to late to build realationships between characters that should have been there BEFORE wolverine finished his first cage match??

 

[gambitfire]

^i don't think he was god but with the budget, time, and parameters he was given he gave us something good, Ratner isn't bad but he's got ADD and he's a yesman who wouldn't fight for something like Singer. w/e this is all my opinion but we are totally off topic here.

Why is their a poll on this thread ?!

 

[The Kid]

Storm's reaction made sense.

She knew that the real Jean was gone. She knew that she needed to be stopped. She knew what needed to be done. And she knew that Wolverine going after her was only going to jeopardize the X-Men further. She was looking out for the best interest of everyone.

Although some kind of interaction between Storm and Jean would have been pretty good.

At least Storm didn't take THAT role away from Cyclops

What kinda seemed weird to me was that she didn't consider wolverine's views could be true at all, not a bit. I assume she assumes wolverine isn't thnking straight because he's too busy looking at jean's cleavage, and doesn't even acknowledge that the real jean exists somewhere in side that monster. that did bother me a bit about how she was in this. they showed such a sisterly relationship in x2, probably been in existence alot longer than wolverine's lusting so I'd definitely have wanted to see storm and jean interact more too, or her lay out why she can't believe jean may still exist inside like Logan does. Maybe killing the prof was enoough though. Imagine your sister or whoever like that, killing your father. It'd hit pretty deep emotionally. storm might even hate jean for that even though it wasn't really jean... ah crap I don't know.

 

[gambitfire]

What kinda seemed weird to me was that she didn't consider wolverine's views could be true at all, not a bit. I assume she assumes wolverine isn't thnking straight because he's too busy looking at jean's cleavage, and doesn't even acknowledge that the real jean exists somewhere in side that monster. that did bother me a bit about how she was in this. they showed such a sisterly relationship in x2, probably been in existence alot longer than wolverine's lusting so I'd definitely have wanted to see storm and jean interact more too, or her lay out why she can't believe jean may still exist inside like Logan does. Maybe killing the prof was enoough though. Imagine your sister or whoever like that, killing your father. It'd hit pretty deep emotionally. storm might even hate jean for that even though it wasn't really jean... ah crap I don't know.

so true.

 

[Goddessreicho]

True I think that murdering X and Scott was crossing the thick black line for Storm. And the reason why she said that "Are prepared..." line well hold on

She said that to him after he gave his speech, I think that she wanted to make sure that after his line of "we're x-men all of us we stand together...,"wasn't him being full of ****. She doesn't know him that well so what's to stop her from thinking that, "hey, as soon as he sees Jean he'll cop out and not want to fight anymore (wether it's the brotherhood or DP)."

of course we'll never know because we never got the chance to see how Storm thought.

 

[The Kid]

so true.

maybe. the question is does storm know jean's still alive inside the wicked witch of the phoenix, but can't control her powers. Logan and the prof believe it and she has to know they do, but doesn't care i guess because of her killing the prof. To me it's funny how she says 'she made her choice.' when what we saw wasn't really that. jean was sitting around like a vegatable and magsy just kindly directed her to come with him, rathr than ask. i bet if it was her who did the same thing maybe she would have listened as well... difficult to say whether choice was involved...

 

[gambitfire]

^

 

[micky-fox]

It doesn't matter whether or not they acknowledged that Jean was still in there... Jean was trapped. She couldn't be saved. The power of the Phoenix was far too great. The only way to free her would be to die.

 

[gambitfire]

^ i disagree,.,............ so it's clear we disagree

edit- After all if the writers and studio wanted she could come and go as she pleases

 

[micky-fox]

Were you even listening when Jean said "Please... kill me. Kill me before I kill someone else. KILL ME!"? Or "Save me?". The fact that she smiled when Logan stabs her is enough to convince me that Jean knew it had to be done.

 

[gambitfire]

Were you even listening when Jean said "Please... kill me. Kill me before I kill someone else. KILL ME!"? Or "Save me?". The fact that she smiled when Logan stabs her is enough to convince me that Jean knew it had to be done.

Duh cuz the writers wanted it!!!

lol im just messing with you

but yea it was an approach taken by the writers i felt she could of taken control Xavier had faith in her to do so but i guess she couldn't. i just wish she would of sacrificed herself instead of having that God complex exaggerated overrated character kill her.

 

[Goddessreicho]

^ i disagree,.,............ so it's clear we disagree

edit- After all if the writers and studio wanted she could come and go as she pleases

Lol here we go again *staps in for the ride...weeeeeeeeeeee*

I do believe that the whole point of the movie Dark Phoenix was the fact that JEAN COULDN'T GO ANY WHERE SHE WANTED! She was trapped in the mega-manical mass murdering Phoenix.


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