Arrow Arrow 3.23 My Name Is Oliver Queen

[MysticSkye]

Ok, just a few of things I noticed from this episode:

First, there is no way Oliver's retirement will last, nothing like this ever sticks for long. Something at the beginning of S4 will bring him back to Starling City and his former life of keeping it safe.

Secondly, in one of the last scenes, Oliver says "Ra's took the Arrow identity from me, I couldn't be that person, even if I wanted to be". Since Oliver can't be the Arrow anymore, this opens the possibility of him using his comic book counterparts full name, the Green Arrow. The Arrow is believed to be dead, personally it would make perfect sense.

Lastly, Malcolm became the new Ra's due to an agreement, a "bargain" that was made between him and Oliver. As Oliver hands the title over, he says "As we agreed". I'm sure Oliver does not want this as much as the next person, but a deals a deal and Oliver has always held that integrity about him. Oliver needed someone who knew the LoA, someone who has been on the inside; Malcolm fit the bill. In order for the two of them to work successfully together, a deal had to be made between hero and villain in true fashion. There probably is more to the agreement then what was revealed to the audience. Malcolm asks if they are enemies, Oliver states "that depends on what you do with your end of the bargain".

Just my thoughts.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Justin]

And to think Amell said this about this season:

Stephen Amell: "Season 3 is going to annihilate Season 2."
https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell

LOL... What this season destroyed, was the reputation of the series. Poor Stephen, he may be a very nice guy, but sometimes he talks too much.

What would you have him say?

'this season is going to be terrible, they left the whole thing to Guggenheim who doesn't know **** about writing. I suggest you go watch Daredevil instead?'

He's a lead actor promoting his show. He has to say these things.

 

[Mikelus]

What would you have him say?

He doesn't have to oversell it, he promotes the show more than enough, sometimes less is more.

 

[Ioini]

I repeat: he has an entire army at his command.

But it didn't imply that he had a death wish.

1. What army is that at the end of this episode? 4-5 rows of men? Clearly they're dwindling.

2. Well considering the Lazarus pit and all, he's been alive for a century or two. He's just tired of living and wants to be with his family.

 

[Kar]

I also thought the fight with Ra's and Ollie was a little weak. For him to be the deadliest man in the world the fight should have went on longer or been a bit more brutal, but I guess this way it went Ra's just didn't see it coming. I guess...

 

[famicommander]

Ok, just a few of things I noticed from this episode:

First, there is no way Oliver's retirement will last, nothing like this ever sticks for long. Something at the beginning of S4 will bring him back to Starling City and his former life of keeping it safe.

Secondly, in one of the last scenes, Oliver says "Ra's took the Arrow identity from me, I couldn't be that person, even if I wanted to be". Since Oliver can't be the Arrow anymore, this opens the possibility of him using his comic book counterparts full name, the Green Arrow. The Arrow is believed to be dead, personally it would make perfect sense.

Lastly, Malcolm became the new Ra's due to an agreement, a "bargain" that was made between him and Oliver. As Oliver hands the title over, he says "As we agreed". I'm sure Oliver does not want this as much as the next person, but a deals a deal and Oliver has always held that integrity about him. Oliver needed someone who knew the LoA, someone who has been on the inside; Malcolm fit the bill. In order for the two of them to work successfully together, a deal had to be made between hero and villain in true fashion. There probably is more to the agreement then what was revealed to the audience. Malcolm asks if they are enemies, Oliver states "that depends on what you do with your end of the bargain".

Just my thoughts.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

There's no way the SHOULDN'T be enemies.

Merlyn killed Oliver's father and the rest of the people on the boat, attempted to kill him and Sara, murdered his son/Ollie's best friend along with 500+ other people, threatened and blackmailed his mother, brainwashed Ollie's sister/Merlyn's daughter into murdering a family friend, brought the wrath of the League down upon them in the first place.

Pretty much everything that has gone wrong in this series is Merlyn's fault. Especially in season three.

 

[luis4u]

 

[Nathan]

Totally forgot to mention that. You spot easily, without even having to slow down the scene, that he misses him with the sword. That something like that even finds its way into the final episode. That scene right there, describes the whole season.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg...

You have failed this city!

I wouldn't blame Berlanti or Kreisberg. It's pretty clear they weren't involved with Arrow other than the crossovers this season and left everything to Guggenheim.

 

[b_boy]

Totally forgot to mention that. You spot easily, without even having to slow down the scene, that he misses him with the sword. That something like that even finds its way into the final episode. That scene right there, describes the whole season.

Well, not defending this episode, but I think this movement in particular was the same that Ras did to Oliver on The Climb episode wasn't it? Ras cut the side of his belly and after stabbed him in the chest, which is the same that Oliver did to him on this episode isn't it?

 

[The Chris]

Well, not defending this episode, but I think this movement in particular was the same that Ras did to Oliver on The Climb episode wasn't it? Ras cut the side of his belly and after stabbed him in the chest, which is the same that Oliver did to him on this episode isn't it?

And caught Oliver's sword with his hand I believe before doing that too so yeah They were repeating the ending of the last fight but flipped.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That was so obvious and poor, as final fights go it's the poorest one so far as well. I haven't disliked this season as much as some, but the finale was nothing special with only s couple of good moments.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I thought the fight started strong (the initial fighting with the birdseye view). But, yeah, I saw that and said "that wasn't supposed to be a stab, was it?" I was more confused than anything else.

 

[godisawesome]

It wasn't that it was a particularly poorly choreographed fight; it was that there was little to separate it from the usual confrontations we saw in our regular episodes. Ra's was still fighting with one hand, like in The Climb, but there was nothing original to the fight, no key moment of literary choreography like there was in previous finales.

Season 1's Malcolm vs Ollie fight started with an archery duel won by an exploding arrow, then a but whooping overturned by near suicidal arrow stabbing through the shoulder. The fight choreographer still did his job extremely well, but there were two landmark moments that had to have been written into the script, even if they were cribbed from other works.

Season 2's final fight started off with Ollie outsmarting Slade via a Felicity derived cure administration. Then we intercut the fight with the original one from the past (a brilliant move, in my opinion), while ensuring that we have a moment in the modern fight where both combatants fall exhausted to demonstrate their similar will to fight. Then we end with an Arrow takedown that answers a season long challenge.

In contrast, Season 3's theme was answered resolutely in the preview section of this episode in the first ten minutes. Then we had a darkly lit swordfight between two characters wearing identical outfits. Ra's still dominates the fight like he did in the Climb, but he loses because Ollie...just takes his sword from his hands and quickly kills him. There's no slow-mo, no close-up, no nothing to mark the fight's significant high-points. Just a repeat of a better fight from earlier.

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought the episode would show how Sara comes back to life in order to star in the spinoff. Are we supposed to just wait for that for the explanation? And is the scene showing that Ray survived only in the spinoff too? So someone watching Arrow wouldn't understand?

Does Captain Lance know for sure now that Oliver is the Arrow?

Also, wasn't Ollie married to Nyssa? Has their marriage been dissolved in order for Felicity to go off with him?

 

[Mikelus]

I wouldn't blame Berlanti or Kreisberg. It's pretty clear they weren't involved with Arrow other than the crossovers this season and left everything to Guggenheim.

Berlanti and Kreisberg were involved with this episode (Story by: Greg Berlanti & Andrew Kreisberg, Teleplay by: Marc Guggenheim & Jake Coburn), and are co-responsible for the show as executive producers, no excuses, they share the blame.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I thought the episode would show how Sara comes back to life in order to star in the spinoff. Are we supposed to just wait for that for the explanation?

Yes. Since her resurrection is a part of that show and not part of Arrow's arc.

And is the scene showing that Ray survived only in the spinoff too? So someone watching Arrow wouldn't understand?

How would any of us possibly know that?

And either way, I'm sure they'll see at least a commercial for Legends with Ray in it.

Does Captain Lance know for sure now that Oliver is the Arrow?

Yes.

Also, wasn't Ollie married to Nyssa? Has their marriage been dissolved in order for Felicity to go off with him?

Felicity made a reference to them still being married. I don't think Nyssa minds her husband going out with other women though. It's not like they've got a marriage license filed away in Starling.

 

[HighFivingMF]

But, yeah, I saw that and said "that wasn't supposed to be a stab, was it?" I was more confused than anything else.

No, he ran the blade along his side.

 

[ARBH]

Yes. Since her resurrection is a part of that show and not part of Arrow's arc.



How would any of us possibly know that?

And either way, I'm sure they'll see at least a commercial for Legends with Ray in it.



Yes.



Felicity made a reference to them still being married. I don't think Nyssa minds her husband going out with other women though. It's not like they've got a marriage license filed away in Starling.

I am not sure where that marriage license would be filed. It seemed to be all ceremonious, but lacked the legal documantation required of a marriage.

 

[the dmg]

This season had a lot of good ideas that were poorly executed and this episode pretty much continued that trend. Hopefully, they are able to start fresh for season four. This episode had some really good bits in it though.

That Legends of Tomorrow trailer was cool, but so many questions that will probably be answered in the new seasons...grr.

 

[Human Torch]

No,Lance doesn't know for certain. Whadda ya think the whole "Roy's death" fiasco was about? It's the "plausible deniability" needed for Ollie to ditch suspicion.

Given that neither Ollie nor Nyssa wanted the marriage or even exchanged vows of some sort, I'm guessing they're just going to play it like it wasn't legally binding outside of Nanda Parbat.

 

[Herolee10]

What happens in Nanda Parbat, stays in Nanda Parbat.lol

I still find it funny on how they've taken one of DC's greatest villains and made him feel less when compared to a lesser known villain like Damien Dark, who's being portrayed (albeit off-screen) as a foe that's seemingly greater than Ra's Al Ghul.

I just hope that they don't try to oversell the capabilities that HIVE has to offer for next season since they really failed when it came to showcasing the League of Assassins in the manner that Sara and Oliver had made them out to be in Season 2.

The League came off as nothing more than mere henchmen in Season 3 and not the very brightest ones for that matter.

 

[Dark Raven]

It seems like Barry, Ollie and Ronnie only defeated Harrison Wells shortly before, because Barry was going to have a talk with Wells. Unless of course, Wells was unconscious for a longer period of time. But even if it were a longer period of time (eg weeks or even days rather than say, 24 hours, if Barry knew that Ollie was actually still good and fighting for the side of right, then couldn't he have told Team Arrow to let them know so that they would trust Oliver when they went to Nanda Parbat?

And if someone like Lyla were able to pass on the message to Ollie that Barry needed help in Central City, then presumably she (or someone in Argus) must've known that Ollie was simply undercover and faking brainwashing. But if Lyla knew, then couldn't she have told Diggle?

And if Ollie were able to get the nano tech from Ray for his arrows, then shouldn't Ray have been in the know as well? But he seems to have been just as ignorant as the rest of the team when being gassed. Surely Oliver couldn't have figured out how to work Ray's nanotech by himself and apply it to his arrows?

It seems that at least someone other than Malcolm Merlyn must've known that Olllie was faking turning bad, but that has been overlooked, or these heroes must have extremely poor communication skills. Just a heads up would've cleared up all this misunderstanding.

And also, when did Ollie clue Nyssa in that he was planning to turn on Ra's? Why should she help him when she was on the plane if she was still upset about this wedding? You'd think she wouldn't really care who dies out of the two of them. But it's as if she was in the know.

 

[Golgo-13]

That was so obvious and poor, as final fights go it's the poorest one so far as well. I haven't disliked this season as much as some, but the finale was nothing special with only s couple of good moments.

It was intentional. It was a mirror of the same move Ra's did to Oliver before he stabs, and kicks him off the cliff.

This finale sucked. And how the hell, did Oliver have time to go to Central City, fight Reverse Flash, and then what….get back on a plane with Ra's for Starling City..?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It was intentional. It was a mirror of the same move Ra's did to Oliver before he stabs, and kicks him off the cliff.

We didn't see Oliver stabbing him after though did we? So ra's dying after seemed a bit strange.