Arrow Arrow 4X1 - Green Arrow

[Monsieur Xavier]

What is the deal with the grave ? Was that scene a flash-forward ? I thought it was Palmer's .

 

[Hunter Rider]

What is the deal with the grave ? Was that scene a flash-forward ? I thought it was Palmer's .

It was 6 months in the future.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Oh thanks.
I should pay more attention when watching the show.

 

[ThePreface]

I'm pretty sure they'll have Oliver and Laurel getting together or even married. It'll only happen in the last or penultimate season though so I'm not holding my breath

 

[Hunter Rider]

There's no reason to put Ollie and Laurel together at all though.

 

[ThePreface]

There's 74 reasons for Oliver and Laurel to hook up, but what do I know I'm just a fanatical cb purist?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Exactly.

 

[ThePreface]

That was sarcasm... but whatever. Hopefully Felicity chews on gravel before the season is over so things could get to the way they're supposed to be.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I know it was, and no, the show should follow what actually works with their cast and their chemistry, of which there is none between Amell and Cassidy, something Katie alluded to herself saying she hopes Laurel gets a new love interest down the line. The show isn't the books just like the movies aren't and the books themselves are always taking their own slant on the characters and their lives anyway.

 

[ThePreface]

She also alluded to a triangle between with her Oliver and Felicity. So nah fam, you're just being biased like I am. End of the day I'm going to think what I think as are you and nobody's going to be right because opinions are like orifices. Felicity isn't even a Green Arrow character; she's Firestorm's momma. The sooner they get rid of the character the better IMO. I think that's why they brought Mr. Terrific in. To groom him for Felicity's role on TA for when she eventually dies to make Oliver the best hero he can be.

 

[Hunter Rider]

What? They aren't gonna kill off the shows biggest non nerd hook on the CW, that is dreaming. I also have no idea idea what "nah fam" means. There's no triangle either, read her latest interview, Katie thankfully seems to get what is best for her actual character rather than being constrained to a bad idea because it's been used in the books.

 

[ThePreface]

If they had the same pair of balls they had in Season 1 they would. And killing Felicity off wouldn't just be about shock value. It would be that final step in Oliver's character development who, if I'm not mistaken, the show is about.

And 'nah fam' means 'no, family' as in I disagree my friend.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ollie's character development has made the step, Felicity has shown him he can be happy and a hero, he doesn't need to be brood in darkness and he's lost enough people already. There's no point in killing off the shows most popular female character and romantic dynamic just to cater to an older idea from the books, it's not even part of the current books, things change and move on.

 

[ThePreface]

Putting aside the idea of comic book canon... Did Oliver really change? It's one thing to be happy or content because you have everything you want. But what if Felicity were out of the picture? That'll be the real litmus for whether he's still a killer or not.

 

[Hunter Rider]

At the end of the day Ollie has killed since being with her, the show can't avoid that, the difference is he is no longer acting as an assassin, he only kills if he can't avoid it. It's not like Team Arrow is anti-killing anyway, Digg wasting guys left and right the other night.

 

[Nathan]

At the end of the day Ollie has killed since being with her, the show can't avoid that, the difference is he is no longer acting as an assassin, he only kills if he can't avoid it.

Or when he thinks the person is too big a threat. He didn't hesitate when he found out that blondy is Damian Darhk.

It's not like Team Arrow is anti-killing anyway, Digg wasting guys left and right the other night.

Ironically, the one person he should have wasted, he only tranqs.

 

[ThePreface]

That's not the point I'm trying to make. Oliver has his girl now. He doesn't have to be in a state of pseudo-stoic-depression anymore. What happens if she were to die? Does he fall back into old habits or does he remain content? Felicity dying would be the ultimate test of his character. That would unequivocally answer whether he's truly changed or not.

The most known example of what I'm getting at is the story of Job. Everything's going great so he praises his God. Does he still praise his God after losing his children, wealth, and health? That's is the true test of his faith like losing Felicity would be the true test to Oliver's decision to be a hero.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Or when he thinks the person is too big a threat. He didn't hesitate when he found out that blondy is Damian Darhk.

Yep, he would have killed Dahrk right then and there, plus he blew the train up that could still have had Dahrk's men on it, and his words at the grave site were something like "I don't blame myself, and I am going to kill him." so yeah, Olie has come as far as he is going to on that front, he's embraced being a hero and wont be going all Punisher, but he wont be on the "no killing" Batwagon.

Ironically, the one person he should have wasted, he only tranqs.

Where did Dahrk go after he tranq'd him? Ollie and Digg didn't seem to notice he'd disappeared when they turned around.

 

[Hunter Rider]

His father, mother, best friend and another woman he loved were all killed and he stayed the course, killing Felicity would be a gimmick excuse to push the Ollie and Laurel agenda, nothing more..

 

[Nathan]

Where did Dahrk go after he tranq'd him? Ollie and Digg didn't seem to notice he'd disappeared when they turned around.

Heck, I think he was gone before he even hit the ground. He was tranq'd for like 1 second and abra kadabra, he was gone. Maybe we should add teleportation to his list of tricks.

 

[Slade W]

I'm glad I am not the only one who thought Darhk's disappearing act was a bit strange and funny.

 

[ThePreface]

His father, mother, best friend and another woman he loved were all killed and he stayed the course, killing Felicity would be a gimmick excuse to push the Ollie and Laurel agenda, nothing more..

Pops died before he was a killer, he and his mother had a rocky relationship due to her pathological lying, Tommy was banging his childhood sweetheart and hated him before he died, and Sarah chose the LoA over him. The loss of any of them wouldn't have the same effect on his psyche as losing Felicty. But you're only argument is 'you have an agenda'. Glad to see we're on the same page...

 

[Hunter Rider]

Heck, I think he was gone before he even hit the ground. He was tranq'd for like 1 second and abra kadabra, he was gone. Maybe we should add teleportation to his list of tricks.

Was that ritual he performed at the end related to the Soultaker Sword?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Pops died before he was a killer, he and his mother had a rocky relationship due to her pathological lying, Tommy was banging his childhood sweetheart and hated him before he died, and Sarah chose the LoA over him. The loss of any of them wouldn't have the same effect on his psyche as losing Felicty. But you're only argument is 'you have an agenda'. Glad to see we're on the same page...

You have to be kidding, Slade ran his mother through with a sword in front of him, I don't care if the relationship was rocky, that's his mother, a bond that runs deeper than any, yet he didn't take his revenge when he had the chance. and he was devastated by Tommy's death, it started him on the road to removing the assassin part of his mission. You seem to think deep, lifelong personal relationships are boiled down to how the relationship is at the moment of death, that is not how life works. I have no agenda, just logic, Ollie has passed the test more than once, he doesn't need to pass it again.

 

[ThePreface]

I disagree. Season 4 Oliver isn't Season 1-3 Oliver and the catalyst for that change is Felicity. Taking her away would be the only test that mattered up to this point.