Arrow Arrow Season 3, Episode 5 "The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak" General Discussion

[Primal Slayer]

It actually is, though. Because I don't agree with people when it comes to "Arrow taking from Batman." - I think that's a myth.

- Count Vertigo, Clock King, Deathstroke, and Merlyn, for example, are all primarily Green Arrow villains. If anything, Batman stole Vertigo and Clock King from GA after the fact. Deathstroke is a villain across the entire DC Universe.

- Characters like Deadshot, Black Canary, and Huntress are DC characters, not exclusively Batman characters. They show up everywhere. Black Canary in particular is the love of Green Arrow's life, and is arguably not affiliated with Batman outside of the Birds of Prey.

- Ra's Al Ghul is arguably a villain to the entire DC Universe, not just Batman.

- The Suicide Squad is a DC group - not a Batman group.

To me, literally stealing from Batman would involve showcasing characters like Mr. Freeze, or The Riddler, or Catwoman, and that's something they'll never do. They haven't taken anything from Batman besides the fact that the inception of Green Arrow was literally to be a Batman knockoff in the comics, where Oliver is a billionaire with an ArrowCave and an ArrowMobile, and a kid sidekick with a red outfit.

To me, calling Felicity "Oracle" would be as random and silly as calling Diggle "Robin". There's no logical reason, other than "Felicity likes computers n' stuff."

Well Deathstroke is hardly a Green Arrow villain, TT yes, now he is DC wide but I don't think he has interacted that much with GA in comics in the past.

They took A LOT of inspiration from the Nolan!Batman movies which is where a lot of the comparison comes from. BOP takes place mainly in Gotham and all of them had major ties to Batman.

But Ra's is not a DC villain, he is a Batman villain through and through. He and the LOA are Batman mainstays who sometimes venture out.

 

[ban1o]

Death Stroke is definitely not a Green Arrow villain he's barely interacted with Green Arrow in the comics. Arrow took a lot from Nolan's Batman films. The flash backs, him returning to Starling City, even the undertaking plot was similar to BB.

 

[Gee]

For Sandman fans:

Nice wink/homage... Or is it?

 

[LongbowHunter]

Death Stroke is definitely not a Green Arrow villain he's barely interacted with Green Arrow in the comics. Arrow took a lot from Nolan's Batman films. The flash backs, him returning to Starling City, even the undertaking plot was similar to BB.

They have interacted...quite a bit. DS is originally a Titans enemy noone can argue with that, but since Identity Crisis DC has tried hard to make him become GAs nemesys...because let's be honest: Merlyn in the comics isn't half as cool as the show's version (I'm speaking background, characterization and reason to be Ollies archenemy).
i know lots of people don't read the GA comics (or have just read Longbow Hunters and Year One)...but Ollie became a real badass after being resurected by Kevin Smith. Shortly before having to deal on a regular basis with DS he retrained himself and even Slade had to admit that - although he was not near his level - he had become very good.
Before Identity C. (Where their feud starts because Ollie stabs Slade in the empty Eye socket making him unprepared for the Leagues attacks) they had only interacted once as far as I know in a horroble tam up(this was during GAs weakest run) but after that DC has tried to present them as a pair quite a lot.
-Deathstroke was from then on featured a lot in GA comics
-In the Injustice commercials and Demos they are shown fighting against each other prominently (the GA reveal Demo featured a fight against DS)
-The toys for said game were sold in a double pack GA/DS (not DS Dick Grayson or DS Cyborg or DS Raven).
-Having DSs mask on the island in the pilot was not the writers idea it was suggested to them by Geoff Johns.
-In the N52 the two have not met yet but in the Futures End storyline it is made clear that they will become enemies somewhere in the future and DS kills Ollie (saying he would have done it for free when it comes to GA...therefore hinting at some deep hatred)

 

[Mike Murdock]

Like that training montage in the beginning. Wonder what's up with Roy.

 

[Loki882]

GA and Deathstroke have fought/interacted quite a bit in the comics, plus he's more of a DCU villain than a Batman one. So this show using him is not at all out of place.

Brother Eye? Well that was unexpected.

 

[Mike Murdock]

A lot of people who don't like melodrama will probably dislike this episode, but I thought it's pretty good. Lots of nice character moments for Felicity. Action scene at the end is fairly standard for the show, but the show sets a high standard.

 

[Prison Mike]

This episode is worth a watch for Felicity's mom alone...

 

[Mike Murdock]

Damn that's a big TV

 

[Donut]

Oh snap

 

[Prison Mike]

What the...I did not see that coming!

 

[rashad]

That ending!!!!

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

What the f**k?

 

[rashad]

Amazing twist.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Umm...... I got nothing.

 

[Prison Mike]

Wow that was the first twist this season I was impressed with.

 

[Duran Man]

WTF?

 

[eplo]

I don't think its gonna be true.....

 

[Human Torch]

Oh **** no!

 

[eplo]

I mean he threw them that hard?

 

[Donut]

I mean he threw them that hard?

Maybe he is not entirely super drug free ?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Poor Roy. I find it hard to believe he threw them that hard. Makes me wonder if it's a hallucination. Either way, I did wonder what was up with Roy and that seems to be the explanation of his sleep problems. Now we just need to know why.

 

[regnak]

Strangely written episode, I mean instant mob at the bank and having cops when a mob is rioting is bad? Also what kind of chain of command does the SCPD have anyway?

The rest of the ep was largely blah. The only things that really amused me were Felicity's "Lovers sounds creepy." and Laurel's choosing black.


Then there was the ending, that made up for a lot. I wonder if they actually have the nerve to make that true? It would be a game changer even if he did it while brainwashed or something.

 

[SpideyVille]

My thoughts exactly. Things seemed to escalate out of nowhere, and things definitely felt a bit weird and off based on what we're used to seeing. On the bright side, I did like seeing some new sets like Thea and Felicity's apartment, although Felicity's seemed more like a small house than an apartment.

But yeah, that ending came out of nowhere.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Strangely written episode

The episode does feel weirdly written.