Arrow Arrow season 4 episode 19 "Canary Cry"

[Marvel Knight]

This show has become so bad, just so bad. Thank God for Flash.

CW Flash has gone quite downhill too.

The writing on the whole Jay Garrick/Zolomon Time Remnant nonsense has been a joke.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

iZombie is the one great show left of the DC shows, and it is the one not connected. Go figure.

 

[Herolee10]

CW Flash has gone quite downhill too.

The writing on the whole Jay Garrick/Zolomon Time Remnant nonsense has been a joke.

This is what happens when the Producers get way too ambitious and Greedy for having more comic book shows under their belt.

The Quality of "Arrow" took an dive when the producers were split into two factions so that one group could focus on bringing "The Flash" to TV. Granted, while Felicity and Olicity was one of Season 3's (and right now) biggest problem, the logic and quality of the show's overall writing went down as a result.

Now with "Legends", both "Arrow" and "The Flash" have suffered for it as well.

 

[SV Fan]

This is what happens when the Producers get way too ambitious and Greedy for having more comic book shows under their belt.

The Quality of "Arrow" took an dive when the producers were split into two factions so that one group could focus on bringing "The Flash" to TV. Granted, while Felicity and Olicity was one of Season 3's (and right now) biggest problem, the logic and quality of the show's overall writing went down as a result.

Now with "Legends", both "Arrow" and "The Flash" have suffered for it as well.

This show is following the same pattern for most shows. The first season producers generally have a plan laid out and keep things simple. Once following seasons start the producers have to draw up a new season and feel the need to have many bigger things on the show, many times the plots start becoming a bit more convoluted and have plot inconsistencies. These producers also fall under the bad habit of pandering to fanbases.

I know currently I am loving Supergirl and Legends but I am guessing once we get to Season 2 they will start coming up with gimmicks and more complex plots that will start annoying me.

In general I find for most shows I watch, the first season is generally the best

 

[JC00]

This is what happens when the Producers get way too ambitious and Greedy for having more comic book shows under their belt.

The Quality of "Arrow" took an dive when the producers were split into two factions so that one group could focus on bringing "The Flash" to TV. Granted, while Felicity and Olicity was one of Season 3's (and right now) biggest problem, the logic and quality of the show's overall writing went down as a result.

Now with "Legends", both "Arrow" and "The Flash" have suffered for it as well.

Arrow's downfall has to do with Guggenheim becoming the head showrunner. The guy is terrible but for the first 2 seasons Kreisberg had an equal say. Anyone else and Arrow is still probably a very good show because a smart showrunner would have probably respected the history of Green Arrow and not tried to appease f***** tumblr.

Kreisberg went to the Flash after Arrow's 2nd season and yet somehow Flash was absolutely phenomenal and Arrow became ******

 

[SpideyVille]

This is what happens when the Producers get way too ambitious and Greedy for having more comic book shows under their belt.

The Quality of "Arrow" took an dive when the producers were split into two factions so that one group could focus on bringing "The Flash" to TV. Granted, while Felicity and Olicity was one of Season 3's (and right now) biggest problem, the logic and quality of the show's overall writing went down as a result.

Now with "Legends", both "Arrow" and "The Flash" have suffered for it as well.

Don't forget about Supergirl. Berlanti is more involved with that than he is with Legends, and far more than he has been with Flash, which is why the quality has dipped all across the board.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

So when Oliver says "I've seen this movie before"...what in the world is he talking about?

 

[Slade W]

Not a great episode IMO. I am not sure how I feel about some of the things that they did in it, I would have to think about them a little bit. I liked how they didn't like someone tarnishing Laurel's/Black Canary's legacy though. Surely Oliver wont kill Darhk, that would suggest that he hasn't changed completely from last season, where he believed that the ends justify the means. He has moved away from that in some ways though and he still honours Tommy's memory for the most part, by not killing unless he is desperate like he was with Ra's and the LOA. He didn't work for Darhk so that he could take them down from the inside like he did with the LOA, despite Darhk offering him a chance to. He trusts his team more than he did last season, and hasn't relied on someone like Malcolm to help him as much. He also chose to go against Malcolm because he did not believe that it was worth sacrificing Nyssa to get what he wanted. But if he kills Darhk like he did Ra's, it suggests that he still does not know how to beat enemies that powerful without killing them, and that he hasn't changed in that regard. I am assuming that he will have a chance to kill Darhk, but will make another decision instead. That is not to say that Darhk wont die though, perhaps he will by other means, but not by Oliver hand.

 

[Gallops]

I think Oliver will be all set to strike with an arrow to kill, but someone else will beat him to the punch. Maybe Merlyn wanting to take over HIVE?

I'm probably in the minority that I haven't minded this season, especially compared to last season. The Oliver/Felicity stuff has honestly sucked, and for a good portion of the season that was too much of a focus, but some of the plot lines to me have been interesting. The whole "who's dead?" thing peaked my interest, as has the Genesis plot, because we don't know exactly what it entails, just like we didn't know what The Undertaking entailed in season one until the end.

I'm hoping they improve in season five, but I'll probably keep watching anyway unless it gets REALLY ridiculous.

I know they made it seem that Laurel is dead as dead can be, but I am still curious as to what was said between her and Oliver that we didn't hear.

With 4 episodes left in the season, I'm hoping things get real real quick.

 

[mr. peasant]

Just to add a little levity to this thread:


I wonder if the Lances get a frequent customer discount or do they just reuse graves? Cemetery plots are expensive!!


.....


Too soon?

 

[Slade W]

I think this episode was slightly influenced by the Green Arrow story, Quiver.

 

[Slade W]

I should also add that they should have shown more of Thea's reaction and she should have been more upset. Her and Laurel were quite close.

 

[Kar]

Wow, two pages? You guys were serious about not returning to the show.

But this episode was good solely for the flashbacks. I was hoping for more island stuff but these flashbacks were really nice to me. But why why why would Oliver reveal Laurel's identity? Damien Dahrk put 2+2 together with little to no effort at all. And once again, Diggle takes off his helmet in public. I swear he does this every episode "Spartan" appears in. Yeah, we've made it this far suspending disbelief but now its just insulting to me. Just have Ollie come out as Green Arrow already. It's REALLY no point in keeping it a secret anymore. John and Felicity have been attached to Oliver Queen, who was accused of being Green Arrow twice already, who is attached to Laurel who is now outed out as Black Canary...I dunno, I just feel like it SHOULD come back to him as Green Arrow now. But whatever.

 

[Mikelus]

Arrow's downfall has to do with Guggenheim becoming the head showrunner. The guy is terrible but for the first 2 seasons Kreisberg had an equal say. Anyone else and Arrow is still probably a very good show because a smart showrunner would have probably respected the history of Green Arrow and not tried to appease f***** tumblr.

Kreisberg went to the Flash after Arrow's 2nd season and yet somehow Flash was absolutely phenomenal and Arrow became ******

Not really, Supergirl is very mediocre despite Kreisberg being heavily involved, the way they have treated Superman is a joke, it's been ridiculous so far, forced love triangles and their portrayal of Jimmy Olsen sucks, no wonder Supergirl has a 6.4 on IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4016454/

Back on topic, the episode was decent, but there were a couple of very dumb things they could've easily avoided:

tv.com review:

"Canary Cry" was an awkward episode of Arrow in that it required a lot to be taken on faith. It needed us to believe that a 16-year-old modified a Cisco-developed device in what seemed to amount to a matter of hours. It needed us to believe that the resurrected anti-vigilante task force "came ready to play" even though it let the aforementioned 16-year-old and a guy in a green leather hood just escape.

http://www.tv.com/shows/arrow/commu...-4-episode-19-canary-cry-review-146145229136/

Solutions:

- Evelyn using the normal canary cry would've been enough.

- Oliver using a smoke bomb to escape the task force makes the scene more believable instead of them looking at him like idiots.

Another thing that destroys the credibility of the show, Oliver could ask Barry to go back in time and save Laurel, or Sara could use the Waverider and save her sister, so this thing that they can't is not believable in this universe. The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow have shown they can change the original timeline without consequences destroying their lives or the world. If the producers don't do it for now, is because they don't want to, but I won't be surprised if they bring Laurel back someday.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Nah, they got rid of a fanbase they didn't want with Laurels death, they're not going to reverse it.

 

[Slade W]

It doesn't make sense that Evelyn would want to honour Laurel/Black Canary. She hated Oliver because she felt that Oliver left people to die. Laurel was there too and did the same as Oliver, so she should have hated her too. Perhaps she didn't see Laurel/Black Canary there or something, and only seen Oliver/Green Arrow. This episode required a lot a lot of "suspension of belief" from the audience.

 

[aNarcHy2day]

I personally thought this was a good heartfelt episode especially with the Laurel flashbacks and Lance's struggle to accept the incident. It's just that killing a character that really shouldn't have been is a massive white elephant.

 

[Dark Raven]

So no-one thinks Oliver Queen is the Green Arrow now after he revealed that Laurel is the Black Canary?

Was it implied that that doctor knows that Oliver is Arrow?

 

[SpideyVille]

Can someone give me a quick synopsis or key "highlights" of what happened in the episode?

I was planning on watching it off the CW site while I'm at work, but then I saw Emergency Awesome's video, and while he is always positive about the shows he covers, just listening to some things and looking at screencaps of the new BC just really disgusted me. So I figure there's a better way to spend 45 minutes, but maybe if I have some context, it won't seem so bad.

 

[Quasimod0]

I gotta say that Diggles " I'm so angry I can't breathe!" Line had me rolling. Lol

 

[Dark Raven]

Grieving Diggles = Giggles.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Can someone give me a quick synopsis or key "highlights" of what happened in the episode?

I was planning on watching it off the CW site while I'm at work, but then I saw Emergency Awesome's video, and while he is always positive about the shows he covers, just listening to some things and looking at screencaps of the new BC just really disgusted me. So I figure there's a better way to spend 45 minutes, but maybe if I have some context, it won't seem so bad.

-Quentin is in denial and wants to try to find a way to bring Laurel back

-Oliver/Nyssa would do "anything" to bring her back but they can't, she's DEAD DEAD DEAD

-Diggle tries to kill Ruve to send a message to Dhark, Oliver stops him

-a Baby Canary imposter shows up around town getting revenge on the people responsible for her parents death. She steals Laurels Canary Cry (which was set to only Laurels vocal cords) but is somehow able to not only sync them with her own but able to re-calibrate it to make it even better then when Laurel used it

-Ruve uses Diggs attack on her and Baby Canary attacking Theas bf as a way to paint the team as villains, in particular Black Canary. She tries to make it seem like they are the reason Laurel Lance is dead.

-Baby Canary attacks Ruve and plans on killing her, Oliver talks her down, she leaves (with canary collar in tact), Oliver is surrounded by the anti-vigilante task force who just stare at him as he zips off to the top of the building

-Flashbacks center on Laurel/Oliver putting Tommy to rest. Laurel is excited for her future and her future with Oliver, they kiss, he sends her a dear john letter as he goes back to the island, she breaks down crying

-Oliver gives a speech at Laurels funeral and outs her as Black Canary to the guests in order for her legacy not to be in shreds.

 

[SpideyVille]

-Quentin is in denial and wants to try to find a way to bring Laurel back

-Oliver/Nyssa would do "anything" to bring her back but they can't, she's DEAD DEAD DEAD

-Diggle tries to kill Ruve to send a message to Dhark, Oliver stops him

-a Baby Canary imposter shows up around town getting revenge on the people responsible for her parents death. She steals Laurels Canary Cry (which was set to only Laurels vocal cords) but is somehow able to not only sync them with her own but able to re-calibrate it to make it even better then when Laurel used it

-Ruve uses Diggs attack on her and Baby Canary attacking Theas bf as a way to paint the team as villains, in particular Black Canary. She tries to make it seem like they are the reason Laurel Lance is dead.

-Baby Canary attacks Ruve and plans on killing her, Oliver talks her down, she leaves (with canary collar in tact), Oliver is surrounded by the anti-vigilante task force who just stare at him as he zips off to the top of the building

-Flashbacks center on Laurel/Oliver putting Tommy to rest. Laurel is excited for her future and her future with Oliver, they kiss, he sends her a dear john letter as he goes back to the island, she breaks down crying

-Oliver gives a speech at Laurels funeral and outs her as Black Canary to the guests in order for her legacy not to be in shreds.

Thanks!

From the sounds of it, it doesn't seem like this was as heavy on the flashbacks as I thought. I may give it a watch just to see the last Laurel scenes, but man, I can't believe we have gotten to this point where they are basically re-treading old story moments. Things were looking so much more hopeful 6 months ago, with Oliver running for Mayor, and becoming the Green Arrow.

And if I'm not mistaken, did Oliver really say he'd train the Baby Canary? Because that's insulting with how he refused to help Laurel out at first, but he has no problem helping a child fight.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I dont think he did. But she is now a reoccurring character so....

 

[HighFivingMF]

And if I'm not mistaken, did Oliver really say he'd train the Baby Canary? Because that's insulting with how he refused to help Laurel out at first, but he has no problem helping a child fight.

He's already helped two children fight.