Arrowverse General Arrowverse Watching Order 2.0

[Xxhan96xX]

hi, i was just wondering why have u removed batwomen ? from the arrowverse list?

 

[famicommander]

hi, i was just wondering why have u removed batwomen ? from the arrowverse list?

I didn't, it's just that most of the episodes take place earlier in the order than you're probably looking for them.

The first few episodes of the first season of Batwoman actually take place BEFORE last year's crossover, let alone thi year's.

 

[Splicem]

Now are you going to add Lucifer to the list? Because he was in the crossover when Constantine is helping bring back Oliver.

 

[famicommander]

Now are you going to add Lucifer to the list? Because he was in the crossover when Constantine is helping bring back Oliver.

That's the plan.

 

[Splicem]

That's the plan.

Sorry if that seemed rude.

 

[famicommander]

Sorry if that seemed rude.

Not at all.

 

[NatAwsom1138]

I think Batwoman episode 6 was accidentally numbered as episode 7.

 

[famicommander]

I think Batwoman episode 6 was accidentally numbered as episode 7.

Fixed, and updated to the best of my ability.

It's too hard to try to place Lucifer into any coherent order this far after the fact, especially since we don't know when his Crisis cameo happens on his own Earth, so I just stuck the whole series in a season break along with Titans and Doom Patrol.

At some point I may hide the shows that are ONLY related through Crisis into spoiler tags and just keep the Earth-1 shows, Supergirl, Freedom Fighters, Black Lightning, and 1990 Flash in the main order.

 

[gemris]

I know it's hard to break up the Crisis episodes, but Black Lightning S03E09 takes place between parts 2 and 3 of Crisis. Events from the Black Lightning episode are referenced in Flash S05E09 and all directly impact his role in Crisis part 3. Somehow it should be moved up.

 

[famicommander]

Lucifer star Tom Ellis on where his show fits:

We’re playing it as if it’s in the five years before the show, Lucifer, started, so when Lucifer spent five years in LA before meeting the detective and all those things unfolding. This is him in his proper playboy, don’t-give-a-damn-about-anything stage in his life. He is very irreverent with our characters when they turn up in the scene and obviously, with Constantine, there is some history there.

So everything in the Arrowverse so far takes place at least five years before Lucifer starts.

 

[Ram Ninjalo]

The Catwoman movie with Hallie Berry should be on this as well, there is a scene where she is learning about her powers by an old woman who is showing her pictures and one of them is Catwoman from Batman Returns, its meant to be a somewhat lose continuation of the Batman film series.

 

[famicommander]

That's more of an easter egg really. Unless Guggenheim or Berlanti say otherwise, I'm leaving Catwoman out.

 

[Ram Ninjalo]

That's more of an easter egg really. Unless Guggenheim or Berlanti say otherwise, I'm leaving Catwoman out.

Then there is no point in having Green Hornet, thats not confirmed. You can look it up, they put that easter egg there to include it in the series. Catwoman should be added or Green Hornet should be removed

 

[Ram Ninjalo]

The director of Catwoman even said it was in the same universe

 

[famicommander]

Then there is no point in having Green Hornet, thats not confirmed. You can look it up, they put that easter egg there to include it in the series. Catwoman should be added or Green Hornet should be removed

Green Hornet has more than one straight up crossover appearance on Batman.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Green Hornet has more than one straight up crossover appearance on Batman.

Indeed he does. I rewatched the King Tut episode with Green Hornet and Kato's first (window) appearance just last night.

 

[Ram Ninjalo]

Still haven't added Catwoman. It is part of Earth-89. Here is the proof at 2:40.

 

[gemris]

Lucifer star Tom Ellis on where his show fits:


So everything in the Arrowverse so far takes place at least five years before Lucifer starts.

Ellis does say that this is Lucifer five years prior to the his current story, but that's it. I'm sure the series Lucifer has current references and is the current timeline and that our heroes traveled to a previous timeline five years back where Constantine knew where to find him. With all the time travel and alternate universes in Crisis, it seems less likely that the Lucifer series takes place in the future and more likely that Constantine and Diggle traveled five years into a past timeline looking for him. Just my thoughts on that. Once the Earths and timelines are merged, Lucifer the series will be in the same current timeline as the rest (although it will likely never be mentioned again).

 

[famicommander]

Ellis does say that this is Lucifer five years prior to the his current story, but that's it. I'm sure the series Lucifer has current references and is the current timeline and that our heroes traveled to a previous timeline five years back where Constantine knew where to find him. With all the time travel and alternate universes in Crisis, it seems less likely that the Lucifer series takes place in the future and more likely that Constantine and Diggle traveled five years into a past timeline looking for him. Just my thoughts on that. Once the Earths and timelines are merged, Lucifer the series will be in the same current timeline as the rest (although it will likely never be mentioned again).

Time passes differently on different Earths. When Barry travels from 2017 on Earth-1 to Earth-3, he's in 1997 and it's still the "present" on that Earth.

 

[Dr.]

Ellis does say that this is Lucifer five years prior to [...] his current story, but that's it.

I’m of the view that what an actor (director, showrunner, etc.) says about their work can be a valid and informed opinion. But because this opinion exists outside of the narrative (outside of the “text”) it doesn’t count as canon.

In this case, however, I don’t think the Lucifer timeline matters all that much. Even in the most recent season, Lucifer was going back and forth between mature/responsible and his original, more hedonistic ways. So it’s possible that the Crisis scene caught him in the latter mood. Granted, the season 4 episodes were posted back on May 8, 2019. So its “present” and the Crisis “present” may not exactly line up. But it's pretty close; you don’t need to go back five years.

 

[gemris]

I’m of the view that what an actor (director, showrunner, etc.) says about their work can be a valid and informed opinion. But because this opinion exists outside of the narrative (outside of the “text”) it doesn’t count as canon.

In this case, however, I don’t think the Lucifer timeline matters all that much. Even in the most recent season, Lucifer was going back and forth between mature/responsible and his original, more hedonistic ways. So it’s possible that the Crisis scene caught him in the latter mood. Granted, the season 4 episodes were posted back on May 8, 2019. So its “present” and the Crisis “present” may not exactly line up. But it's pretty close; you don’t need to go back five years.

I agree with you about the actor, but he's speaking from his perspective, not that of the show, like you said. Also, he didn't say his show takes place five years after Crisis as much as he said this scene is showing his character five years before his series takes place. It makes zero sense to suggest that crisis takes place 8 or 9 years ahead of the current timeline in Lucifer. The mulitiple timelines and time travel of the Arrowverse just allow that this scene was Lucifer in a past incarnation where John knew where to find him.

I think we're trying way too hard to tie every one of these cameos into some huge narrative where everything is canon to the Arrowverse. Most of these were done as Easter eggs to very loosely tie them in and pay fan service, but the idea that every event on those shows or movies has to tie to a single canon is just unrealistic and takes us out of the story. Too many things contradict each other (even with the Superman movies alone all being referenced), and that's ok. Seeing the actors in character, as probably entirely alternate versions, was enough for me. But it's still fun to try to piece it all together I guess.

 

[whitehelm]

Arrow 8.05 is missing the word "Arrow" in the OP.

 

[famicommander]

I agree with you about the actor, but he's speaking from his perspective, not that of the show, like you said. Also, he didn't say his show takes place five years after Crisis as much as he said this scene is showing his character five years before his series takes place. It makes zero sense to suggest that crisis takes place 8 or 9 years ahead of the current timeline in Lucifer. The mulitiple timelines and time travel of the Arrowverse just allow that this scene was Lucifer in a past incarnation where John knew where to find him.

Again, time passes differently on different earths.

Barry went from 2017 Earth-1 to 1997 Earth-3 without doing any time travel.

 

[famicommander]

Arrow 8.05 is missing the word "Arrow" in the OP.

Fixed, thanks.

 

[frasholas2]

How are you planning on handling the Arrowverse Crisis tie in comics to this list? Apparently there's a new 52 earth that is shown so that would add in any of those movies/tv shows. Also Carter's Wonder Woman appears so adding the show from the 70s seems right. But then there were tie-in comics to that series that included the bionic woman. Do we then count that show as well and then by extension the six million dollar man because it's all connected canonically to the original Wonder Woman series? I mean where do we draw the line on what counts and what doesn't?