World Avengers cartoon - Part 2

[venomfangs125]

It could also mean what he's up to in his personal life. Maybe what leads him to become Yellowjacket.

Seriously? I figured Yellowjacket's just a simple costume change like the rest/most of his team. Hope they don't change Hawkeye's costume; But that's not the point.

He could even be trying to work out the bugs with Ultron, though that would be an incredibly bogus reason for him to come back.

 

[Anubis]

Phyla-Vell was artificially created from Mar-Vell's DNA by Elysuis. Thus, she can be "speed grown". Or, Mar-Vell could raise his own damn kids for once.

Well, to be fair, that's how Genis was created and I suppose that's Her official origin. But the truth of the matter is she was created because Genis helped Entropy destroy the universe, and restarted it but kinda f**ked everything up and ended up with a b***hy sister.

 

[Anubis]

Seriously? I figured Yellowjacket's just a simple costume change like the rest/most of his team. Hope they don't change Hawkeye's costume; But that's not the point.

He could even be trying to work out the bugs with Ultron, though that would be an incredibly bogus reason for him to come back.

No, he had a nervous Breakdown and became a complete *****e bag called Yellowjacket.

 

[bored]

I could see them doing YJ as less a "nervous breakdown" thing and more of a way for him to say he's going to be a more proactive superhero.

 

[venomfangs125]

No, he had a nervous Breakdown and became a complete *****e bag called Yellowjacket.

Precisely what I'm worried about.

I could see them doing YJ as less a "nervous breakdown" thing and more of a way for him to say he's going to be a more proactive superhero.

Hm. Hadn't thought of that.

 

[Dread]

This is interesting:

IGN claims that in season 2: "We'll also find out what's going on with Hank in his life away from the team."

So, apparently...He's STILL leaving the team. Huh.

Oh and Spider-Fan, one last thing and I REALLY hate to bother you again, but did they show any concept art of Invisible Woman?

There is an image of her, as well as Falcon, in a shot of Josh Fine that is on the board. Apparently there was no concept art like there is of Thing.

As for Pym, it makes sense he would still leave the team for a bit. He has stated many times that he believes in rehabilitation and non-violent solutions; yet all he does on the Avengers is help pummel something into submission or come up with a plan or gadget to that end. He has only stayed this long because he loves Janet and wants to protect her (and merrily turns giant and pummels stuff to protect her). He may still want a sabbatical to sort things out.

Plus, they likely need someone to be away sometimes so they can keep the roster at 7 members instead of 8 or 9 for SAG and animation purposes. Cap won't really be "away" until the plot is exposed.

At this point, though, Hank is actually very close to the team's MVP, which is a role I didn't think he would come close to filling when the show was in production. Sure, Hulk and Thor have the brute force, and Iron Man is the technological whiz, while Cap has his determination and Hawkeye his skill. But more often than not in Season 1 at least, Hank was the one who came up with the key plan or the Hail Mary pass that saved the day. Stark is the expert when it comes to engineering and technology - hacking a system or building an armor/robot whatever. T'Challa is also a genius, and his country merges magic and science, but he's more a doer than a talker. For the all around science stuff, Pym's their expert. Even in the season finale, Hank was ultimately the one who figured out how to save the day at the end. He was deliberately kept off camera for "GAMMA-WORLD" so he couldn't undo Leader's plot in 5 minutes, after all. He fills the role Reed Richards does on the Fantastic Four, only without being the leader - on paper, Iron Man is the leader, although in practice Cap has shifted to that role on occasion. At this point even Hulk might grumble, "Bug-Man should be here."

Simply saving the day another time wouldn't be enough to get Pym to overcome his ethical dilemma, so we'll see how it handled in Season 2.

Well, to be fair, that's how Genis was created and I suppose that's Her official origin. But the truth of the matter is she was created because Genis helped Entropy destroy the universe, and restarted it but kinda f**ked everything up and ended up with a b***hy sister.

Right, but that likely won't happen in this cartoon. For all we know, Phyla (and Genis) could either be cloned when Mar-Vell is alive or just be his kids out there in the universe. Assuming they really get into that.

 

[Anubis]

Or this GOTG could be from the future like the original ones and rather than use the actual GOTG from the future they use the last ones.

 

[Dread]

Or this GOTG could be from the future like the original ones and rather than use the actual GOTG from the future they use the last ones.

Seems odd to use the GOTG from the present and claim they're from the future. Of course, cartoons typically "condense" origins, so who knows.

Marvel released an official clip from the DVD release, which has one extra plot spoiler for Season 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_0MzevBKE0

Spoiler

Obviously, they are going to do an adaptation of SECRET INVASION. But, it will actually OPEN Season 2. Fine and Yost mention that as breaking the bonds of trust the team have for each other, at least in the short term. They mention Nick Fury as being the only person who knows about the Skrulls and the threat they pose, and like in the comics, assembling a team to combat it. That COULD mean the Secret Warriors at least in name, but...in the cartoon it may not be a series of brats. Mockingbird would seem to be a no-brainer, and that is possibly how Ms. Marvel comes into play, too. Black Widow would likely be on such a team as well, if she and Fury can find each other.

 

[venomfangs125]

There is an image of her, as well as Falcon, in a shot of Josh Fine that is on the board. Apparently there was no concept art like there is of Thing.

As for Pym, it makes sense he would still leave the team for a bit. He has stated many times that he believes in rehabilitation and non-violent solutions; yet all he does on the Avengers is help pummel something into submission or come up with a plan or gadget to that end. He has only stayed this long because he loves Janet and wants to protect her (and merrily turns giant and pummels stuff to protect her). He may still want a sabbatical to sort things out.

Plus, they likely need someone to be away sometimes so they can keep the roster at 7 members instead of 8 or 9 for SAG and animation purposes. Cap won't really be "away" until the plot is exposed.

At this point, though, Hank is actually very close to the team's MVP, which is a role I didn't think he would come close to filling when the show was in production. Sure, Hulk and Thor have the brute force, and Iron Man is the technological whiz, while Cap has his determination and Hawkeye his skill. But more often than not in Season 1 at least, Hank was the one who came up with the key plan or the Hail Mary pass that saved the day. Stark is the expert when it comes to engineering and technology - hacking a system or building an armor/robot whatever. T'Challa is also a genius, and his country merges magic and science, but he's more a doer than a talker. For the all around science stuff, Pym's their expert. Even in the season finale, Hank was ultimately the one who figured out how to save the day at the end. He was deliberately kept off camera for "GAMMA-WORLD" so he couldn't undo Leader's plot in 5 minutes, after all. He fills the role Reed Richards does on the Fantastic Four, only without being the leader - on paper, Iron Man is the leader, although in practice Cap has shifted to that role on occasion. At this point even Hulk might grumble, "Bug-Man should be here."

Simply saving the day another time wouldn't be enough to get Pym to overcome his ethical dilemma, so we'll see how it handled in Season 2.

Aw, leave it to them to post a picture of INVISIBLE Woman...

Hank's pretty formidable in a fight for a pacifist. Let's hope they turn him into Yellowjacket WITHOUT him becoming a jackass.

They'll have Miss Marvel to fill in that gap until Yellowjacket joins. Of course, I certainly hope they explore a lot of possibilities with her. Yost said what they were going to do with her will turn some heads. I'm excited to see how Wasp will react to one of her closest friends joining the team.

Of course I'm more excited to see how Ms. M will interact with team members such as Hulk, Cap, Thor and T'Challa. She's a less-talking-more-hitting person/tomboy/soldier/warrior, so I see a lot of potential here.

Spoiler

Obviously, they are going to do an adaptation of SECRET INVASION. But, it will actually OPEN Season 2. Fine and Yost mention that as breaking the bonds of trust the team have for each other, at least in the short term. They mention Nick Fury as being the only person who knows about the Skrulls and the threat they pose, and like in the comics, assembling a team to combat it. That COULD mean the Secret Warriors at least in name, but...in the cartoon it may not be a series of brats. Mockingbird would seem to be a no-brainer, and that is possibly how Ms. Marvel comes into play, too. Black Widow would likely be on such a team as well, if she and Fury can find each other.

I don't care what they do with her, so long as we don't have to wait too long to see her...

 

[TheVileOne]

Sounds like a more natural, organic way to adapt Secret Invasion without all the silliness.

 

[Dread]

Aw, leave it to them to post a picture of INVISIBLE Woman...

Hank's pretty formidable in a fight for a pacifist. Let's hope they turn him into Yellowjacket WITHOUT him becoming a jackass.

They'll have Miss Marvel to fill in that gap until Yellowjacket joins. Of course, I certainly hope they explore a lot of possibilities with her. Yost said what they were going to do with her will turn some heads. I'm excited to see how Wasp will react to one of her closest friends joining the team.

Of course I'm more excited to see how Ms. M will interact with team members such as Hulk, Cap, Thor and T'Challa. She's a less-talking-more-hitting person/tomboy/soldier/warrior, so I see a lot of potential here.

Well, if you really think about it, telling people that you're the Invisible Woman is a tactical error, same as turning invisible right in front of someone. Turn invisible BEFORE you enter a battle.

I've never cared for the Yellowjacket guise, as a design or whatever. I'm not counting down the episodes until Pym dons it. I liked the little nod to it with his Asgardian armor, but I'm happy with him as Ant-Man/Giant-Man.

Carol Danvers should be an interesting component to the team. She would add some "legitimacy" to them as she is an active duty U.S. military figure. Captain America technically was, but was 70 years removed and presumed dead. Iron Man has ties to SHIELD, but he often disagrees with them and is not a SHIELD agent. Hawkeye is a SHIELD agent, but had been considered a rogue agent, and his defense of Black Widow (who is considered a HYDRA spy) may not aid his ties. Danvers, however, has a perfectly fine record as a military woman. Especially as Maria Hill goes through on her actions to try to force the heroes to register, Danvers may become key.

Plus, it will be good to have another female character for Wasp to talk to, especially as they're already friends. She and Natasha don't get along.

The show many finally get to pass the Bechdel Test - having two female characters that talk to each other about something that isn't a man.

I don't care what they do with her, so long as we don't have to wait too long to see her...

We've heard this is "the cosmic season" and as that will be kicking off immediately, it may not be too long. Her powers manifested in her intro episode, so she probably has been undergoing some secret training for a bit. I am surprised that this show has her wearing her original costume, at least initially, instead of the version she has worn since the 70's and 80's (that has been seen in her appearances in "MARVEL SUPER HERO SQUAD" as well as the 1990's "X-MEN" show). But they made it look great and I feel it is a great move, since Mar-Vell is in his Ultimate design, and thus, it doesn't seem "inspired" by him here.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hawkeye is no longer SHIELD. He turned down a spot back in and joined the Avengers instead.

I just have a feeling that season 2 will be it for the show and new shows will be made from here on like Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Dread]

Hawkeye is no longer SHIELD. He turned down a spot back in and joined the Avengers instead.

I just have a feeling that season 2 will be it for the show and new shows will be made from here on like Ultimate Spider-Man.

Right, so Hawkeye is ex-SHIELD. That makes Danvers' role as an active duty soldier more important.

Just getting 52 episodes is a feat in itself. That said, if the ratings do well and the toys and DVD's sell well, or Marvel/Disney want to continue hype for, say, "THE AVENGERS 2", I could see a third season happening. But that is very much in the future.

 

[herofanatic90]

Which of the masters of evil do yall think ms. marvel will make a good fight with?

 

[BigThor]

Which of the masters of evil do yall think ms. marvel will make a good fight with?

Wonder Man no doubt, but I'm looking forward to see Thor fight Ronan a.k.a "the meeting of the hammers".

 

[venomfangs125]

Well, if you really think about it, telling people that you're the Invisible Woman is a tactical error, same as turning invisible right in front of someone. Turn invisible BEFORE you enter a battle.

I've never cared for the Yellowjacket guise, as a design or whatever. I'm not counting down the episodes until Pym dons it. I liked the little nod to it with his Asgardian armor, but I'm happy with him as Ant-Man/Giant-Man.

Carol Danvers should be an interesting component to the team. She would add some "legitimacy" to them as she is an active duty U.S. military figure. Captain America technically was, but was 70 years removed and presumed dead. Iron Man has ties to SHIELD, but he often disagrees with them and is not a SHIELD agent. Hawkeye is a SHIELD agent, but had been considered a rogue agent, and his defense of Black Widow (who is considered a HYDRA spy) may not aid his ties. Danvers, however, has a perfectly fine record as a military woman. Especially as Maria Hill goes through on her actions to try to force the heroes to register, Danvers may become key.

Plus, it will be good to have another female character for Wasp to talk to, especially as they're already friends. She and Natasha don't get along.

The show many finally get to pass the Bechdel Test - having two female characters that talk to each other about something that isn't a man.



We've heard this is "the cosmic season" and as that will be kicking off immediately, it may not be too long. Her powers manifested in her intro episode, so she probably has been undergoing some secret training for a bit. I am surprised that this show has her wearing her original costume, at least initially, instead of the version she has worn since the 70's and 80's (that has been seen in her appearances in "MARVEL SUPER HERO SQUAD" as well as the 1990's "X-MEN" show). But they made it look great and I feel it is a great move, since Mar-Vell is in his Ultimate design, and thus, it doesn't seem "inspired" by him here.

I don't know, the fact that she has super powers now may not exactly put her on good terms with Hill. And we haven't exactly seen how Wasp gets along with Widow. Or were you referering to in the comics?

Right, so Hawkeye is ex-SHIELD. That makes Danvers' role as an active duty soldier more important.

Just getting 52 episodes is a feat in itself. That said, if the ratings do well and the toys and DVD's sell well, or Marvel/Disney want to continue hype for, say, "THE AVENGERS 2", I could see a third season happening. But that is very much in the future.

Quite so. But what about the fact that Josh Fine left? They hadn't even finished all of the episodes of season 2 yet.

Wonder Man no doubt, but I'm looking forward to see Thor fight Ronan a.k.a "the meeting of the hammers".

Yeah, she could probably BEAT him too.

 

[BigThor]

Beat who? Wonder Man? You never know, power levels aren't consistently portrayed on this show (or most superhero cartoons for that matter).

 

[venomfangs125]

Beat who? Wonder Man? You never know, power levels aren't consistently portrayed on this show (or most superhero cartoons for that matter).

Yes, I meant Wonder Man. And it doesn't have to be an inconsistency, a lot of people think she can do it in the comics.

It's either Wonder Man or she can prove useful against Enchantress by absorbing her magic.

 

[Sockie]

Quite so. But what about the fact that Josh Fine left? They hadn't even finished all of the episodes of season 2 yet.

Actually, some of Josh Fine's comments on his Twitter account make it sound like he's still helping work on the show.

 

[herofanatic90]

Wonder Man no doubt, but I'm looking forward to see Thor fight Ronan a.k.a "the meeting of the hammers".

I want to see her go toe to toe with abomination or crimson dynamo too

 

[Anubis]

I'd rather see Wonder Man quit f**kin' around and become a good guy already.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd rather see Wonder Man quit f**kin' around and become a good guy already.

If he does, I don't want him keeping that ionic form. He's unrelatable like that. I prefer him either in his safari jacket, original costume or in his blue, black and red duds. Any of those are better than all of this crackling energy.

I also wish that Ms Marvel would have the bare midriff from that version of her original costume. It looked sexier.

 

[Anubis]

Relatability is for pansies with little imagination.

Buy yeah, I'd like to see him able to shift between ionic and human form.

 

[Zant]

So i'm guessing we will have a new intro since Hydra is no more (for now). I just hope its not set in space like the SHS season 2 intro which is also their cosmic season also keep the intro song,its cool

 

[Dread]

I don't know, the fact that she has super powers now may not exactly put her on good terms with Hill. And we haven't exactly seen how Wasp gets along with Widow. Or were you referering to in the comics?

Quite so. But what about the fact that Josh Fine left? They hadn't even finished all of the episodes of season 2 yet.

Yeah, she could probably BEAT him too.

Danvers DOES have super powers, but she got them while under official U.S. military duty, and should still be considered a soldier (much as Captain Atom was in "JLU"). It could be an interesting dynamic if played around with. Cap's a soldier, but he was legally considered MIA and presumed dead for decades and now would likely be considered "freelance". Hawkeye is ex-SHIELD, and likely closer to Black Widow than Hill cares for. The rest are "independents".

Wasp didn't seem to like Black Widow when they met; she asked Hulk to smash her.

They could bring in another producer to replace Fine, in theory. Or promote Yost for all we know.

Actually, some of Josh Fine's comments on his Twitter account make it sound like he's still helping work on the show.

It is possible he is doing "wrap up" work to make sure things run smoothly for the show after he departs.

So i'm guessing we will have a new intro since Hydra is no more (for now). I just hope its not set in space like the SHS season 2 intro which is also their cosmic season also keep the intro song,its cool

A new intro is an extra expense that not many cartoons do. It was very cool when the 2k3 TMNT show changed their intro a few times within 4-5 seasons. It would make sense, but I would be dazzled if they did. Marvel doesn't have the TV animation budget that Warner Brothers has, even after the Disney deal.