The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Based on ASM2's box office and quality, was rebooting a mistake?

[Spiderine]

He didn't have to show up to Harry as Spiderman to say "I won't give you my blood" just to piss him off even more.

LOL!

I was thinking the same thing. Peter could have just told Harry for whatever reason Spiderman couldn't do it. He actually dressed up as Spidey sat on his couch had a few drinks to basically say "Screw u Harry".

That was funny. Harry was right to be pissed.

 

[AF3619]

LOL!

I was thinking the same thing. Peter could have just told Harry for whatever reason Spiderman couldn't do it. He actually dressed up as Spidey sat on his couch had a few drinks to basically say "Screw u Harry".

That was funny. Harry was right to be pissed.

nope, he showed up to explain himself why he couldn´t give him his blood, he even told Harry to give him more time, he wouldn´t like have an innocent die and also he can´t risk get his secret identity exposed

 

[Andrew Lucas]

nope, he showed up to explain himself why he couldn´t give him his blood, he even told Harry to give him more time, he wouldn´t like have an innocent die and also he can´t risk get his secret identity exposed

Exactly.

 

[OcStat]

Plus Spider-Man showing up at Harry's shows Harry (who doesn't know Pete is Spider-Man at this point) that Peter tried to talk to Spider-Man on his behalf. He wants to help Harry, but he knows his blood won't do it. It's a messed up, torn scenario for Peter to be in, a classic Spider-Man double edged sword. There is no way Pete can feel good about either choice.

 

[Flint Marko]

Rebooting was not a mistake; I think Raimi's trilogy ran out of steam and given how the fourth one was panning out it was obvious they needed to throw in the towel and let another team take a crack at it.
The mistake was how they've handled certain aspects of this reboot, although overall I haven't disliked either movie they've made so far.

 

[chaseter]

nope, he showed up to explain himself why he couldn´t give him his blood, he even told Harry to give him more time, he wouldn´t like have an innocent die and also he can´t risk get his secret identity exposed

Or Spider-Man could have said..."Hey, this disease won't kill you for another 40 years like it did your father so there is no need for a cure tomorrow brah."

Peter was an absolute idiot for doing what he did. But then again, this Peter Parker is an absolute idiot. Like telling Harry no as Spider-Man was going to end amicably with no repercussions.

 

[InJustice]

Or Spider-Man could have said..."Hey, this disease won't kill you for another 40 years like it did your father so there is no need for a cure tomorrow brah."

Peter was an absolute idiot for doing what he did. But then again, this Peter Parker is an absolute idiot. Like telling Harry no as Spider-Man was going to end amicably with no repercussions.

The point wasn't that it was going to end amicably with no repercussions. It was that Peter did not want to put someone at risk if the transfusion did not end well. Remember, Harry is acting out of desperation, so Peter is obviously cautious of whether of the information stated by Harry was true or false. As it turns out, the information was a crock of ********, and if not for the Goblin suit that just so happened to be near him, Harry would be a dead man.

 

[chaseter]

The point wasn't that it was going to end amicably with no repercussions. It was that Peter did not want to put someone at risk if the transfusion did not end well. Remember, Harry is acting out of desperation, so Peter is obviously cautious of whether of the information stated by Harry was true or false. As it turns out, the information was a crock of ********, and if not for the Goblin suit that just so happened to be near him, Harry would be a dead man.

I understand why Spider-Man just didn't give his blood immediately, it was how he went about it. Harry just lost his father and was told he was going to die. How did Peter think Harry would handle the no answer? Peter also didn't offer to analyze his blood to see if he could help create an antidote. He just said no and swung off. Peter Parker in these movies is an absolute idiot who doesn't think 2 moves ahead. He just sees the immediate future and has for 2 movies now. That has gotten multiple people killed. Gwen also creates the zap proof web shooters and youtube is his go to guide for answers. Peter Parker is an idiot.

Harry would not have died immediately if it took 60 years to kill his father. He was scared and was acting desperately with no one to talk him down...hence why Peter Parker is an idiot.

 

[Webhead38]

I'm a big believer that sequels in a lengthy franchise normally pay the dues from the previous installment. Reboot or not, this is a fifth installment of a series started 12 years ago. I don't think it would have mattered how good this latest film was, it was destined to perform at the current level it's at, which honestly is not bad at all. I just think people have to let go of the fact the Spider-man franchise is no longer an event like it was in the early to mid 00's when the ideas were fresh and the character was new to cinema. All the films have made a steady decline since the first, so I'm not really sure if the reboot truly gave momentum to that decline or slowed it down. But retelling the origin in that reboot was hurtful. I think people lost interest because it rehashed too many story points already known, so I think that installment curbed interest in this new one.

 

[Human Torch]

Peter pretty much did everything right given the situation.(Or-I'll put it this way-what most of us would do in his situation.)

Harry says "You know S-Man,hook me up".
Pete's like "Dude,I took a picture from like a mile away."

Kinda like when you're telling your friend who has a friend who knows a guy that can fix a traffic ticket,Harry begs him to try his luck with Spidey.

Pete knows he's desperate,so to salvage his friendship with Harry,he gives him the old "I'll see what I can do" and figures he'll let Spidey let him down easy,since we've already established that it's not in Harry or Peter's best interest for him to hand over his blood.

And,y'know,it's better for Harry to resent Spidey than cause the rift with Peter.

Spidey can't say "Let our buddy Peter work on my blood for a while." because Harry would be on Peter's *** day and night to either have Oscorp test the blood or just to let him transfuse himself in desperation.(Both are things Peter needs to avoid from happening)

So taking the whole thing in from every angle,I don't see what Peter could've done differently to cause a better resolution.

 

[spiderman2]

I'm a big believer that sequels in a lengthy franchise normally pay the dues from the previous installment. Reboot or not, this is a fifth installment of a series started 12 years ago. I don't think it would have mattered how good this latest film was, it was destined to perform at the current level it's at, which honestly is not bad at all. I just think people have to let go of the fact the Spider-man franchise is no longer an event like it was in the early to mid 00's when the ideas were fresh and the character was new to cinema. All the films have made a steady decline since the first, so I'm not really sure if the reboot truly gave momentum to that decline or slowed it down. But retelling the origin in that reboot was hurtful. I think people lost interest because it rehashed too many story points already known, so I think that installment curbed interest in this new one.

I disagree if the movie was getting good reviews it would be doing a lot better. There have been 7 batman movies and only 5 spider man movies and yet dark knight rises made a little over a billion and batman is not even has popular has spider man and didn't have 3d. It is all because the last 3 spider man movies have been consider bad, ok and bad. If the movie where getting great reviews it would be a event again. Movies don't just make money over night you bulid up to it form the earyler movies in a franchise and when 3 movies in a row have not gotten good reviews people are going to not trust the next movie.

 

[weezerspider]

I disagree if the movie was getting good reviews it would be doing a lot better. There have been 7 batman movies and only 5 spider man movies and yet dark knight rises made a little over a billion and batman is not even has popular has spider man and didn't have 3d. It is all because the last 3 spider man movies have been consider bad, ok and bad. If the movie where getting great reviews it would be a event again. Movies don't just make money over night you bulid up to it form the earyler movies in a franchise and when 3 movies in a row have not gotten good reviews people are going to not trust the next movie.

You guys need to quit living in the early '00s. After The Dark Knight, Batman clearly became the favorite superhero among the GA. As we move away from Nolan's films The Avengers will clearly grab that spot, if they haven't already. Spidey's still a huge property, but he's not the most popular superhero anymore.


For the most part, I enjoy both films of the reboot, but I honestly feel like it would have been better to keep Raimi's continuity. Spiderman 3 wasn't Batman and Robin bad. They could have rebounded from it. The reboot was the easy way out.

 

[spiderman2]

You guys need to quit living in the early '00s. After The Dark Knight, Batman clearly became the favorite superhero among the GA. As we move away from Nolan's films The Avengers will clearly grab that spot, if they haven't already. Spidey's still a huge property, but he's not the most popular superhero anymore.


For the most part, I enjoy both films of the reboot, but I honestly feel like it would have been better to keep Raimi's continuity. Spiderman 3 wasn't Batman and Robin bad. They could have rebounded from it. The reboot was the easy way out.

I am not living in the past. There is a reason that spider man has as many movies games and cartoons has he dose. He is the most popular superhero. Do you really believe that qulity has nothing to do with it? Are you saying that if batman begins and dark knight and dark knight rises got way lower reviews that they would have made has much has they did. There is a reason iron man 3 made has much has it did to. Avengers got great reviews and iron man 1 to and even though not quite has good iron man 2 didn't get bad reviews. I think the fate that asm1 even made has much has it did when so many people wanted the raimi seiras to conitue and when they did the orgin over again. I can gariten that if the next batman did the orgin over again that people would be mad and that it would do a lot worse the asm1 did. Doing a reboot and on top doing the orgin over again is going to really make people mad. Batman begins only made like 360 million dark knight made just over a billion. While dark knight got better reviews most people would agree that batman begins was a lot better then asm1. Dark knight if not for batman begins wouldn't have done has good. Batman begins got people back into batman and that is what spider man needs.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

The point wasn't that it was going to end amicably with no repercussions. It was that Peter did not want to put someone at risk if the transfusion did not end well. Remember, Harry is acting out of desperation, so Peter is obviously cautious of whether of the information stated by Harry was true or false. As it turns out, the information was a crock of ********, and if not for the Goblin suit that just so happened to be near him, Harry would be a dead man.

His desperation comes out of nowhere and its just an excuse for him to become a villain.

Let me break it down:

For some reason Oscorp killed all the Spiders because they were scared of being discovered(or something like that) which makes no sense since they have a bunch of facilities with illegal experimenting where they can hide the spiders.

Then Harry is told that he's going to die and he starts deteriorating in a couple of days despite the fact that Normal survived for many years and then Harry magically realizes that Spider-Man was bitten by one of the spiders. He also magically knows that Spider-Man has healing powers on top of his spider-like superpowers. So then for some reason he thinks Peter is Spiderman's friend so he convinces him of getting Spider-Man's blood which we as an audience know that Peter can actually do but If you put yourself in his shoes there is no reason why you would think Peter could talk to him, he just took a picture and Spiderman had no reason to trust a random guy asking for his blood.

Then Spidey shows up to basically tell him "sorry I don't wanna give you my blood BYE" AND MINUTES LATER his assistant comes up and says that THEY ACTUALLY STILL HAVE THE SPIDER'S VENOM! lol If she said that before Spidey appeared then nothing would have happened, in fact if Peter didn't show up at all nothing would have happened either. So the only reason Harry hates Spiderman is because Spidey didn't give him the blood which eventually he didn't need and it becomes a contradiction because after he becomes the Green Goblin he should know that Spiderman was actually right by not giving him his blood which would have killed him.

In Conclusion:

The spiders being killed and Harry's extremely fast symptoms of the disease are only plot conveniencies so he can be "desperate" so he needs Spiderman only to be "betrayed" by him and later discover that he had the venom in one of his labs that later by injecting himself with it he almost died and that was only so he could wear the Goblin suit to keep him healthy which proves to be BS because he's fine without it in the end


lol I can't believe I just wrote all that and this is just one character the others have equally messy writing, its things like this why I would rather have a Spider-Man 4.

 

[weezerspider]

I am not living in the past. There is a reason that spider man has as many movies games and cartoons has he dose. He is the most popular superhero. Do you really believe that qulity has nothing to do with it? Are you saying that if batman begins and dark knight and dark knight rises got way lower reviews that they would have made has much has they did. There is a reason iron man 3 made has much has it did to. Avengers got great reviews and iron man 1 to and even though not quite has good iron man 2 didn't get bad reviews. I think the fate that asm1 even made has much has it did when so many people wanted the raimi seiras to conitue and when they did the orgin over again. I can gariten that if the next batman did the orgin over again that people would be mad and that it would do a lot worse the asm1 did. Doing a reboot and on top doing the orgin over again is going to really make people mad. Batman begins only made like 360 million dark knight made just over a billion. While dark knight got better reviews most people would agree that batman begins was a lot better then asm1. Dark knight if not for batman begins wouldn't have done has good. Batman begins got people back into batman and that is what spider man needs.

Actually there are quite a few people who saw Batman Begins after TDK, so that's not the best example. I get your point and it's a factor, but I don't think it's as big of a factor as you think. Look at the Transformers movies. They all make a bunch of money and all of those movies suck ass. Spidey isn't as popular anymore due to more superhero films, people not liking this Spiderman, the fact that this is the FIFTH Spiderman film as Webhead said, or, most likely, a mixture of all of these. With superhero films every few months now, rarely is any superhero film aside from team-ups going to be a real 'event film' like Raimi's Spiderman films were.

 

[spiderman2]

Actually there are quite a few people who saw Batman Begins after TDK, so that's not the best example. I get your point and it's a factor, but I don't think it's as big of a factor as you think. Look at the Transformers movies. They all make a bunch of money and all of those movies suck ass. Spidey isn't as popular anymore due to more superhero films, people not liking this Spiderman, the fact that this is the FIFTH Spiderman film as Webhead said, or, most likely, a mixture of all of these. With superhero films every few months now, rarely is any superhero film aside from team-ups going to be a real 'event film' like Raimi's Spiderman films were.

Yeah some people saw batman begins after tdk but begins was a building block and got people back where the amazing spider man and spider man 3 truned people away. I didn't even really care for the batman movies before batman begins and after that one I couldn't wieght for the next one and I am sure there where other people that felt that way to. Transformets is the wired expectation to the rule. Noramly you need building blocks. Iron man 3 was the 4th movie with movie with iron man in it is just 5 years that's only one less then spider man and in 6 less years. So iron man movies came out even more offten then spider man has and with the avengers to and that didn't stop the movie form making 1.2 billion again because it had iron man 1, 2 and avengers to gorw and build form. Look at captian amerce 2 the first one only made like 350 and now the 2nd one is about to make 700 in a few day and guess what it got great reviews. Are you telling me that the reviews where not a big key to that movie? There are a lot of people in the GA that if a movie gets bad ok reviews will not go see but if a movie gets good or great reviews will go see. Heck that was also part of why dark knight did so while is that ever one was talking about how great the joker was and so that got a lot of people to go see it that wouldn't have if not for that.

 

[Lord]

I also see a lot of people complaining that the new suit and films don't look "real", i think that while Raimi's films had their fair ammount of CGIed scenes, it mostly felt real, even with certain mistakes like Dock Ock surviving Spider-man's punches, on the whole, the actions had weight and the special effects and scenes were usually impressive, that helps your movie feel like an event, putting lots of money on the screen isn't enough if your effects don't look like they belong.

People don't really care about reviews, Spider-Man 3 had problems but was still popular, had they kept upping the spectacle and improved the story, i'm sure that the IMAX and 3D boost would have helped Spider-Man 4 reach a billion.

The problem in The Amazing Spider-Man is that SONY is trying to copy other strategies, the first film was them trying to do to Spider-Man what Nolan had done to Batman, then with the second film they tried to make a huge expansion on the style of The Avengers.

 

[spiderman2]

Yeah sm 3 made a lot of money but that was more because of how good sm1 and 2 where and how good a lot of the previews for the 3erd one looked. I do belive that if 4 was made that it would have made a lot of money. How ever if 4 wasn't much better then 3 then I think 5 or if they did a reboot after 4 would be having the same problems that we have now.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Raimi's SM3 was the result of studio interference. I will forever believe that. They forced the inclusion of a character that Raimi had no interest in and didn't understand. Raimi pleaded against it, but what we got was a passionless film because it wasn't what he wanted to make anymore. I can't fault him for that.

 

[Jumpman]

Raimi's SM3 was the result of studio interference. I will forever believe that. They forced the inclusion of a character that Raimi had no interest in and didn't understand. Raimi pleaded against it, but what we got was a passionless film because it wasn't what he wanted to make anymore. I can't fault him for that.

Completely true. Doesn't change the fact that Amazing 2 is a way better picture than Spider-Man 3. That's not even up for debate.

 

[spiderman2]

Completely true. Doesn't change the fact that Amazing 2 is a way better picture than Spider-Man 3. That's not even up for debate.

I agree has I think amazing spider man 2 is by far the second best spider man movie yet and the second great one to go with sm2. Sm3 is my 4th favorite of the 5. But not ever one fells that way as sm3 has a higher score on RT and I have heard pletty of people on the interent trashing asm2.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Completely true. Doesn't change the fact that Amazing 2 is a way better picture than Spider-Man 3. That's not even up for debate.

lol yes it is, I think SM3 is better than TASM 2 in most aspects. The only thing people rely on against Spiderman 3 is the dance scene and Emo Peter.

 

[Human Torch]

lol yes it is, I think SM3 is better than TASM 2 in most aspects. The only thing people rely on against Spiderman 3 is the dance scene and Emo Peter.

Agreed.It's gonna be tough for S-M 3 nay-sayers to mock "Emo-dance Peter" as worst thing in a Spider-Man movie from here on out.

Two words trump all.

Doctor Kafka.

 

[spiderman2]

The dancing was way worse I don't even get what was wrong with the other thing. Also the part in sm3 where he is eating cokies and talking on the phone is really stupid.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

The dancing was way worse I don't even get what was wrong with the other thing. Also the part in sm3 where he is eating cokies and talking on the phone is really stupid.

He was just being a playa, playa. Bwahahaha