Batman Begins Batman Begins Vs Superman Returns

[TRUE]

Superman Returns reminded of just how good Batman Begins is. I appreciate BB a whole lot more now.

 

[Octoberist]

Superman returns didn't push the button.

Singer created a weird paradox: He played it safe (Donner influences) while making changes that left me scratching my head (the kid).

I just thought that while the plot was good, the execution was very off. There were so many contridictions and plot holes that challeged my suspension of disbelief.

And to me, Gene Hackman's Lex worked back in the 70s. Now, he wouldn't work out espically when he has to go against the likes of Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow, and whatever.

"The real estate agent from hell" Lex is not much of a threat and to me, it was a mistake on Singer's part to include him in 'Returns'. It sucks when you have the more improved version of Lex now, with the corperate and political ties. And it's weird how Singer picked and chose what he wanted from the Donner films via 'vague history' and he kept "Real Estate Conman" Lex.

 

[CConn]

We don't have that improved version of Luthor anymore, ironically.

 

[casketmouth]

Who cares? Both movies are/will be excellent and revived dead franchises of two of the greatest superheros ever

how wrong could you possibly be...SR = yuk!!!!

 

[Octoberist]

We don't have that improved version of Luthor anymore, ironically.

From what I know, Luthor is now a mix of Lexcorp and 'mad scientist with the green/purple outfit' personas right?

At least the pre-crisis Lex is still an actual threat. He was the leader of the Legion of Doom for God's sakes, not a conman who likes wigs.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno.....Lex seemed odd to me. I mean, he at times was slightly camp......but then he would turn and just be so goddamn evil. I think that beating he gave Superman is a fine example of what this Lex is capable of, despite some calling him "campy".

 

[TRUE]

superman returns should of had brainiac, parasite, or sum other villian

 

[Jlandsw]

Superman Returns PERIOD

 

[Two-Face]

Superman Returns PERIOD

That's cos you're fan of Supes.

 

[Mr. Vice]

This might be off-topic, but CConn, you have the best avatar ever

 

[P.B.&Chocolate]

I like both movies and characters.Right now I like SR more because it worked so well for me .It's better than I expected in that it's Superman as you've known him for years but more relevent for our time.Both Brandon Routh and Chritian Bale do justice to Batman and Superman .I look forward to both sequels .

 

[El Payaso]

I am a Batman fan. I never post on Superman forum. But I liked SR better than BB, being BB a great movie.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Begins all the way. Superman Returns was just off the mark, But Routh did a great job, if there's a sequel I hope they bring him back

 

[aquiles]

Superman Returns PERIOD

realize that the movie suck big-time man, it doesnt have a comparison with batman begins man, and im telling you im a fan of both chracters both singer did not do justice for the man of steel

 

[StorminNorman]

how wrong could you possibly be...SR = yuk!!!!

Your maturity overwhelms me.

 

[StorminNorman]

I watched Superman Returns again recently and I still rank it just a notch above Batman Begins.

 

[iceberg325]

I watched Superman Returns again recently and I still rank it just a notch above Batman Begins.

A notch above Batman begins? Why? How? Theres no way possible!!!!!!

 

[StorminNorman]

A notch above Batman begins? Why? How? Theres no way possible!!!!!!

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I didnt think so either....and then I saw V for Vendetta and Superman Returns. WB is really clicking IMO.

 

[iceberg325]

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I didnt think so either....and then I saw V for Vendetta and Superman Returns. WB is really clicking IMO.

Im not saying that no movie can surpass it, Im just saying theres no way IMO that SR is better than BB. I loved V, great movie, just thought BB is a better comic film.

 

[StorminNorman]

Im not saying that no movie can surpass it, Im just saying theres no way IMO that SR is better than BB. I loved V, great movie, just thought BB is a better comic film.

Batman Begins was fantastic, I love it to death, I just think SR passed it.

 

[JLBats]

SR was in no way, shape or form better than Batman Begins if put under any sort of critical analysis. However, it did inspire a sense of wonder, and I suppose if you react to film on a purely visceral level, it might be considered better to you.

 

[The Chairman]

For me, they're both on the same level, but if I had to choose, I'd go with BB.

 

[himynameiskevin]

They were both great

 

[wootbaby]

I enjoyed SR more than I expected to. BB is a superior movie .

1) BB is original material. nolan knew what he wanted to say and it's his vision beginning to end. SR is a homage to Donner and the movie suffers because Singer is overlly constrained and is never able to deliver a clear message of who his superman is.

2) although Singer builds around this by adding his own elements like the kid, the major issue with SR is that it's essentially missing an emotional center. WHO is superman? where has he been, how has his absense affected those around him? WHY does he love lois? what are his intentions for her? it's like superman is this sad guy sleepwalking through the entire movie. you never connect with him like you did in the donner films. basically in basing his film around donner's original singer copies all the external aspects of donner and misses the heart

3) BR puts Batman (not the rogue's gallery) at the center of the piece. Batman is the most interesting character in the Batman universe. a smart director uses him as the centerpiece and uses other pieces (villians) as counterweights to ramp up tension and action. this is the first movie to do that

4) pacing in BB is superior. In BR, nolan starts things off very obtuse, you dont really know what's going on, and the only thing you really understand is an overwhelming sense of rage on the part of bruce wayne. as nolan opens up the movie and you learn more about what bruce is going through nolan starts to color in the nuances of what's going on. you start to understand what Batman is willing and NOT willing to do in his quest. you see what shaped him, what obstacles he's overcome. by the end of the movie you truly understand WHO batman. that's character growth and 3dimensionality that you dont have in SR

5) BB is the only one of the 2 action movies which actually has a good amount of action

6) BB has better casting

7) BB makes better and more clever use of the surrounding cast of the DC universe. scarecrow > luthor. alfred > lois lane

8) BB has a more interesting plot with definite points of beginning, middle and end. superman just sort of floats along with no real resolution at the end... what happens to luthor. what's going on with lois. what's the deal with the kid? even in a series, each movie should stand on its own.

 

[wootbaby]

I enjoyed SR more than I expected to. BB is a superior movie .

1) BB is original material. nolan knew what he wanted to say and it's his vision beginning to end. SR is a homage to Donner and the movie suffers because Singer is overlly constrained and is never able to deliver a clear message of what his superman is about

2) although Singer builds around this by adding his own elements like the kid, the major issue with SR is that it's essentially missing an emotional center. WHO is superman? where has he been, how has his absense affected those around him? WHY does he love lois? what are his intentions for her? it's like superman is this sad guy sleepwalking through the entire movie. you never connect with him like you did in the donner films. basically in basing his film around donner's original singer copies all the external aspects of donner and misses the heart

3) BR puts Batman (not the rogue's gallery) at the center of the piece. Batman is the most interesting character in the Batman universe. a smart director uses him as the centerpiece and uses other pieces (villians) as counterweights to ramp up tension and action. this is the first movie to do that

4) pacing in BB is superior. In BR, nolan starts things off very obtuse, you dont really know what's going on, and the only thing you really understand is an overwhelming sense of rage on the part of bruce wayne. as nolan opens up the movie and you learn more about what bruce is going, nolan starts to color in the nuances of what's going on. you start to understand what Batman is willing and NOT willing to do in his quest. you see what shaped him, what obstacles he's overcome. by the end of the movie you truly understand WHO batman. that's character growth and 3dimensionality that you dont have in SR

5) BB is the only one of the 2 action movies which actually has a good amount of action

6) BB has better casting

7) BB makes better and more clever use of the surrounding cast of the DC universe. scarecrow > luthor. alfred > lois lane

8) BB has a more interesting plot with definite points of beginning, middle and end. superman just sort of floats along with no real resolution at the end... what happens to luthor. what's going on with lois. what's the deal with the kid? even in a series, each movie should stand on its own.