BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - Part 1

[Jekecy]

AOU's second weekend drop is something else. Literally no competition and still fell 60%.

Considering its mammoth opening and how that is an average 2nd weekend percentage drop for a movie of its size, I'm leaning on still being impressed.

 

[John Locke]

FF could show us what could expect with BVS. If FF is a critical and financial success it could confirm that Marvel fatigue is starting.

 

[Jekecy]

FF could show us what could expect with BVS. If FF is a critical and financial success it could confirm that Marvel fatigue is starting.

Where is this coming from? Marvel's last three films have done spectacularly at the box office. Ant-Man is the only inevitable underperformer, but Marvel will pick right back up with Civil War.

 

[John Locke]

Where is this coming from? Marvel's last three films have done spectacularly at the box office. Ant-Man is the only inevitable underperformer, but Marvel will pick right back up with Civil War.

AOU didn't do as well as expected. It still did extremely well. One of the reasons on well it some of the reviews were negative because they felt only people who were huge fans would like the film. Daredevil keeps getting praised because it's nothing like anything else in the MCU. There has been talk about Marvel fatigue and if it actually is starting to happen (early stages) FF doing well could confirm it. Audiences might be ready for something new.

 

[Mysteryman]

Considering its mammoth opening and how that is an average 2nd weekend percentage drop for a movie of its size, I'm leaning on still being impressed.

Me Too.
They are not bad numbers at all.

 

[Jekecy]

AOU didn't do as well as expected. It still did extremely well. One of the reasons on well it some of the reviews were negative because they felt only people who were huge fans would like the film. Daredevil keeps getting praised because it's nothing like anything else in the MCU. There has been talk about Marvel fatigue and if it actually is starting to happen (early stages) FF doing well could confirm it. Audiences might be ready for something new.

Numbers dictate the game here, all the examples you've provided only support a fact that has always existed; there's room for more than one type of genre to dominate.

When Marvel films start dwindling down in box office, I'll start believing the fatigue. Until then, this rampant fear stemmed from AoU's "underperformance" is one step shy of criticizing a perfect 10 girl for having pointy elbows.

 

[Mysteryman]

Considering its mammoth opening and how that is an average 2nd weekend percentage drop for a movie of its size, I'm leaning on still being impressed.

Me Too.
They are not bad numbers at all.

 

[Marvin]

Where is this coming from? Marvel's last three films have done spectacularly at the box office. Ant-Man is the only inevitable underperformer, but Marvel will pick right back up with Civil War.

I'm not counting ant man out like most other people. Marvel could make a film supposedly starring a Raccoon a financial hit, I don't see why this film about a man wouldn't at least hit that same sentiment. Unless people think that was some sort of fluke.
Anything could happen.
I personally see their greater accomplishment when they don't lean on novelty they way they usually do.

 

[John Locke]

Numbers dictate the game here, all the examples you've provided only support a fact that has always existed; there's room for more than one type of genre to dominate.

When Marvel films start dwindling down in box office, I'll start believing the fatigue. Until then, this rampant fear stemmed from AoU's "underperformance" is one step shy of criticizing a perfect 10 girl for having pointy elbows.

I don't believe it in either. All I'm saying is there is evidence that can be interpreted that way and we'll have a better understanding after FF.

 

[Best]

If FF is a critical and financial success it will be it's own reasons. Nothing to do with Marvel... fatigue.

Not everyone is on board with AoU, but goddamn the whole Marvel fatigue talk after one-- not even a misstep, one film/output...

 

[Best]

Very comparable to MoS way back when. Heck, still.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Considering its mammoth opening and how that is an average 2nd weekend percentage drop for a movie of its size, I'm leaning on still being impressed.

It's impressive for a film in general but not following the first Avengers.

A1 opened bigger and dropped only 50% the next week.

It may not be fair to compare AOU to the lighting in a bottle that was A1 though.

 

[Marvin]

It's impressive for a film in general but not following the first Avengers.

A1 opened bigger and dropped only 50% the next week.

It may not be fair to compare AOU to the lighting in a bottle that was A1 though.

More and more people are calling it/realizing it was lightning in a bottle. Not too long ago it was argued as an example of simple quality and something sustainable. Even critically.

 

[Silliminite]

What do you guys think WB realistically expects from BvS?

 

[Tra-El]

What do you guys think WB realistically expects from BvS?

 

[WBwins]

What do you guys think WB realistically expects from BvS?

A billion,though 900 mil is forgiveable.70% critical approval at least

 

[Silliminite]

A billion,though 900 mil is forgiveable.70% critical approval at least

I think WB cares a lot more about the financial success of the film than what Rotten Tomatoes has to say about it.

 

[WBwins]

I think WB cares a lot more about the financial success of the film than what Rotten Tomatoes has to say about it.

True.But that doesnt mean they dont care at all

 

[mclay18]

If FF is a critical and financial success it will be it's own reasons. Nothing to do with Marvel... fatigue.

Not everyone is on board with AoU, but goddamn the whole Marvel fatigue talk after one-- not even a misstep, one film/output...

I loved the first Avengers, but AOU was a huge let-down. Too many characters that even a TV-seasoned director couldn't handle properly, some beloved characters acting OTT, and a two-dimensional villain. The growing roster is worrying, especially for next year's CA:CW and the 2-part Infinity War.

That's not to say BVS and the potential DCU won't have the same problems.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I loved the first Avengers, but AOU was a huge let-down. Too many characters that even a TV-seasoned director couldn't handle properly, some beloved characters acting OTT, and a two-dimensional villain. The growing roster is worrying, especially for next year's CA:CW and the 2-part Infinity War.

That's not to say BVS and the potential DCU won't have the same problems.

The problem wasn't the amount of characters as evidence by many other movies that balance a large cast perfectly. IMO, the problem was the lackluster script, the two-dimensional villain, overly drawn out action scenes, low stakes, and a lack of "fun". A large cast of characters can be handled well.

 

[Steamteck]

As for IM3, the only place where the opinion is divided is hardcore comic book fans like us, especially because of the Mandarin twist, and hardcore comic book fans make up less than 0.1% of the total people actually watching the movie. Among the GA, IM3 is almost universally loved, I have never met anyone in real life who didn't like that movie

Whereas, in my social circle, I only know of two people who really loved it ( and one is a huge comics fan) most of the rest were disappointed but found it watchable but not Blu-ray territory and a couple of real haters. One's social circle just is not representative of anything.

 

[mclay18]

The problem wasn't the amount of characters as evidence by many other movies that balance a large cast perfectly. IMO, the problem was the lackluster script, the two-dimensional villain, overly drawn out action scenes, low stakes, and a lack of "fun". A large cast of characters can be handled well.

That was partly why I pointed out some characters acting out of character (especially Thor and Clint's subplots). I think a lot of the more problematic elements of the movie would've been eliminated had Whedon and Marvel had frequent meetings while he was outlining. That way they could've agreed on what to keep and what had to go before writing.

And as someone who loved how Whedon juggled the enormous cast in the first one, he didn't do as well the second go-round. I couldn't muster up enthusiasm for The Vision, Pietro and Wanda. Ultron was excellent for half his screentime, then he devolved into another mustache-twirling villain.

I think the MCU is turning into what Marvel fans think BVS will turn out: a giant clusterf**k. There's only so many characters a single film can hold before collapsing under its own weight. That goes for any comic-book movie.

 

[Silliminite]

The problem wasn't the amount of characters as evidence by many other movies that balance a large cast perfectly. IMO, the problem was the lackluster script, the two-dimensional villain, overly drawn out action scenes, low stakes, and a lack of "fun". A large cast of characters can be handled well.

Agreed.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Whereas, in my social circle, I only know of two people who really loved it ( and one is a huge comics fan) most of the rest were disappointed but found it watchable but not Blu-ray territory and a couple of real haters. One's social circle just is not representative of anything.

Yeah, in my social circle, the reactions to IM3 range from indifference to hatred. And these are people who loved the original and are not comic book fans. I literally have never personally met someone who said they liked it.

That was partly why I pointed out some characters acting out of character (especially Thor and Clint's subplots). I think a lot of the more problematic elements of the movie would've been eliminated had Whedon and Marvel had frequent meetings while he was outlining. That way they could've agreed on what to keep and what had to go before writing.

And as someone who loved how Whedon juggled the enormous cast in the first one, he didn't do as well the second go-round. I couldn't muster up enthusiasm for The Vision, Pietro and Wanda. Ultron was excellent for half his screentime, then he devolved into another mustache-twirling villain.

I think the MCU is turning into what Marvel fans think BVS will turn out: a giant clusterf**k. There's only so many characters a single film can hold before collapsing under its own weight. That goes for any comic-book movie.

I thought Ultron's first appearance was chilling, but everything after was downhill. And I agree that there are a finite amount of characters that one film can handle, but I don't think AoU was even close to that amount. They just didn't handle them well. As many have said before, look at GotG, LotR, X2, DoFP, (and more); all had just as many or more characters than AoU and were still great movies.

 

[Iceman]

What do you guys think WB realistically expects from BvS?

I'm sure they want the magic billion at least. This is their marquee property and their expectations for the solos and other films might be less.