BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - Part 1

[Flint Marko]

^This I just looked and MOS is in the second row.....

Heck today it is currently 86th most downloaded and its been out a year

What section are you looking in? I'm in top movies, the 200 list, and it doesn't show up anywhere.

I already settled this

Mos was a simple hit movie like Cap1,Thor1,Batman Begins.

It however was not a Huge hit like TWS,GOTG,Iron man 1,The Dark Knight.

A huge hit would have skyrocketed Supes popularity no doubt:The way TWS did for Cap and Darkknight did for Batman.

Mos was a moderate hit so it simply introduced the charcter like Batman begins and Cap 1.

Howver It is clearly inaccurate to call MOS a failure just b/c it wasnt a Huge hit.Thats as stupid as calling BB and Cap1 failures

Please note that when i talk about hits i mean audience reception

It was received as well as ASM 2 was, yet we regularly see that movie deemed a failure. That's the larger point I was making earlier.

Oh, I see we're having another MOS argument here. What is this? The 2,567,821st time this has happened?

ABANDON THREAD!

There's only been one movie released in the DCCU to talk about, with a three year wait until the next one. It seems obvious that MOS will be discussed ad nauseam.

 

[Pickleweasel]

What section are you looking in? I'm in top movies, the 200 list, and it doesn't show up anywhere.

Top All Time Movies - All Time Best Sellers

If you look at the top 200 it goes by today lol, not all time downloads. With top all time the only ones higher are Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises. IM3 is the next closes which is 11 lower than MOS

 

[WBwins]

What section are you looking in? I'm in top movies, the 200 list, and it doesn't show up anywhere.

This is the page we all see.
https://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/movies/
MOS is clearly listed.

Same with this
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/genre/movies-sci-fi-fantasy/id4413

It was received as well as ASM 2 was, yet we regularly see that movie deemed a failure. That's the larger point I was making earlier.

No it wasnt. Audience reviews and Critics reviews were in agreement on ASM2 suckiness.This is not the same with MOS.

MOS suffers sadly from Transfomers curse-Liked by the audience,hated by the critics.

If MOS had been better I agree it would not be dealing with this ****.

However being hated by the critics does not affect box office-being hated by the audeince does

 

[kedrell]

complaining about too much action/destruction in a Superman movie is like complaining there's too much comedy in a comedy movie.

Only if that comedy is just wall to wall fart jokes. Quality counts more than quantity.

 

[Pickleweasel]

This is the page we all see.
https://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/movies/
MOS is clearly listed.

That chart is for this week Im pretty sure, he is looking at the one that shows the top 200 as of today (which it isn't that shocking that MOS isn't on that list). You can also go on itunes and look at top All time where MOS is 15th only behind Avengers and TDKR as far as superhero movies

 

[WBwins]

That chart is for this week Im pretty sure, he is looking at the one that shows the top 200 as of today (which it isn't that shocking that MOS isn't on that list). You can also go on itunes and look at top All time where MOS is 15th only behind Avengers and TDKR as far as superhero movies

Oh that makes sense.Wait MOS is only behind Avengers and TDKR of all time?Wow.I thought for sure GOTG and DOFP had its ass.Anyway Im sure that would change over the years

 

[WBwins]

https://www.apple.com/ie/itunes/charts/movies/

Another itunes chart list of popular movies.MOS is there

 

[Flint Marko]

This is the page we all see.
https://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/movies/
MOS is clearly listed.

Same with this
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/genre/movies-sci-fi-fantasy/id4413


No it wasnt. Audience reviews and Critics reviews were in agreement on ASM2 suckiness.This is not the same with MOS.

MOS suffers sadly from Transfomers curse-Liked by the audience,hated by the critics.

If MOS had been better I agree it would not be dealing with this ****.

However being hated by the critics does not affect box office-being hated by the audeince does

Look up the numbers, ASM 2 and MOS received comparable reception from critics. To break it down
Rotten Tomatoes: MOS 55% ASM 2 53%
Metascore: MOS 55/100 ASM 2 53/100
IMDB: MOS 7.3 ASM 2 7
One is ever so slightly above the other, but not enough to make the argument that one was received "better".
Also your argument that the audience clearly liked MOS more doesn't really hold up when you see that ASM 2 outgrossed it...
It's tough to gauge just how much the audience "liked" a movie since you can't speak for millions of people, but people speak with their wallets and clearly more people paid to see ASM 2.
So, once again, they are comparable.

That chart is for this week Im pretty sure, he is looking at the one that shows the top 200 as of today (which it isn't that shocking that MOS isn't on that list). You can also go on itunes and look at top All time where MOS is 15th only behind Avengers and TDKR as far as superhero movies

Yeah that was the one I was looking at, thank you for the clarification

Only if that comedy is just wall to wall fart jokes. Quality counts more than quantity.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Oh that makes sense.Wait MOS is only behind Avengers and TDKR of all time?Wow.I thought for sure GOTG and DOFP had its ass.Anyway Im sure that would change over the years

GOTG isn't on Itunes yet, DOFP hasn't been on there long (same with the winter soldier) they might pass it eventually but as of now they haven't.

 

[WBwins]

Look up the numbers, ASM 2 and MOS received comparable reception from critics.

Im talking about Audience reception.Not critical reception.Theres nothing to debate about critical reception its as a plain as day.Im saying Audience dont agree with this

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

Only if that comedy is just wall to wall fart jokes. Quality counts more than quantity.

regardless of quality, complaining about something expected from a certain movie genre is IMO pointless and stupid.

on topic:

I think arguing about the general consensus/popularity of a certain movie from the general audience, critics or any group is just plain fanboy nerd warmongering. anyway the only review I trust is with myself. just because an idea is popular, like in this case acceptance of the thought that the quality of a certain movie is like this or that does not necessarily mean it's the truth. some people just loves picking their sides, forming cliques, join a bandwagon just to be cool.

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

Look up the numbers, ASM 2 and MOS received comparable reception from critics. To break it down
Rotten Tomatoes: MOS 55% ASM 2 53%
Metascore: MOS 55/100 ASM 2 53/100
IMDB: MOS 7.3 ASM 2 7
One is ever so slightly above the other, but not enough to make the argument that one was received "better".
Also your argument that the audience clearly liked MOS more doesn't really hold up when you see that ASM 2 outgrossed it...
It's tough to gauge just how much the audience "liked" a movie since you can't speak for millions of people, but people speak with their wallets and clearly more people paid to see ASM 2.
So, once again, they are comparable.

comparable if you'll only consider those things but you did not consider other factors as well like ASM2 is a sequel and the 5th Spider-man movie in such a short period of time. makes sense that ASM2 will be more popular whereas MOS is a non sequel and only had one movie that was released years ago that people probably forgot even existed.

 

[Juha Bach]

ASM 2 regressed domestically in the box office. It crawled to the 200 million mark and yet people wonder why its in the predicament it is in. especially if those 280million production budget rumors are true.

 

[Zionite]

ASM 2 regressed domestically in the box office. It crawled to the 200 million mark and yet people wonder why its in the predicament it is in. especially if those 280million production budget rumors are true.

Bingo.This is why its regarded as a Failure and MOS isnt.
Ones box office pionts to an impressive franchise starter.The other to a depressive sequel

 

[kedrell]

Im talking about Audience reception.Not critical reception.Theres nothing to debate about critical reception its as a plain as day. I'm saying audience doesn't agree with this.

The trouble with that is there is no clear way to measure how much an audience enjoys a film in the way that there is for critics with the RT meter.

 

[Jekecy]

The trouble with that is there is no clear way to measure how much an audience enjoys a film in the way that there is for critics with the RT meter.

Box office performance. Particularly its opening weekend multiplier throughout the run.

 

[kedrell]

Box office performance. Particularly its opening weekend multiplier throughout the run.

Even that isn't enough. Sure, MoS had a decently high gross when all was said and done but if you look at the legs if kinda fell off a cliff. So which figure is right? The high gross indicating people liked it or the lousy legs indicating the opposite? I'm not sure but I think it's the highest opening movie never to cross $300m at the domestic box office. I'll have to check on that one.

edit: Ok it's the 5th highest OW never to cross $300m. 3 of the Twilight films and the 7th HP film are ahead of it. Twilight and HP had rabid fanbases which account for their drops. But the Superman fans aren't nearly as rabid. They tend to be older as Superman isn't a YA property. Make of all this what you will but my point is that "nobody knows nothin'.....for certain" to quote an old Hollywood axiom.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Even that isn't enough. Sure, MoS had a decently high gross when all was said and done but if you look at the legs if kinda fell off a cliff. So which figure is right? The high gross indicating people liked it or the lousy legs indicating the opposite? I'm not sure but I think it's the highest opening movie never to cross $300m at the domestic box office. I'll have to check on that one.

edit: Ok it's the 5th highest OW never to cross $300m. # of the Twilight films and the 7th HP film are ahead of it. Twilight and HP had rabid fanbases which account for their drops. But the Superman fans aren't nearly as rabid. They tend to be older as Superman isn't a YA property. Make of all this what you will but my point is that "nobody knows nothin'.....for certain" to quote an old Hollywood axiom.

edit: you edited before nvm

 

[Jekecy]

Even that isn't enough. Sure, MoS had a decently high gross when all was said and done but if you look at the legs if kinda fell off a cliff. So which figure is right? The high gross indicating people liked it or the lousy legs indicating the opposite? I'm not sure but I think it's the highest opening movie never to cross $300m at the domestic box office. I'll have to check on that one.

edit: Ok it's the 5th highest OW never to cross $300m. 3 of the Twilight films and the 7th HP film are ahead of it. Twilight and HP had rabid fanbases which account for their drops. But the Superman fans aren't nearly as rabid. They tend to be older as Superman isn't a YA property. Make of all this what you will but my point is that "nobody knows nothin'.....for certain" to quote an old Hollywood axiom.

I would say it indicates the marketing was strong as hell and people are clearly invested/prepared for a modern Superman film.

The drop-offs indicate precisely what has been the talk surrounding this film; it has split audiences. Whereas something like Transformers got obliterated by critics, it's clear audiences didn't agree. With MOS, I think the critics and audiences alike were in near agreement. It leaned towards positive overall, but only slightly so. I'd say that corresponds with its (US) box office quite well.

If anything it indicates that despite this WB still have a goldmine on their hands. Interest is still high, especially with the addition of Batman. They just need a more universally loved film and they're set to soar high.

 

[kedrell]

So you would disagree with the assertion put forward here that the audience liked the film more than the critics.

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

competition is also a big factor in the box office and also highly unpredictable. naturally any movie will make more money with less unknown competition. MOS was sandwiched between a lot of movies like Despicable Me 2, Monsters University (both popular sequels to children and we all know any children G rated movie likely makes more money) and World War Z (Brad Pitt has a lot of fans you know!) and other movies in June like White House Down, The Heat, The Internship, This is the end which is no ways as small movies. not to mention more movies released before June 2013 (Iron Man 3, Fast Furious 6, Hangover 3, Star Trek Into Darkness) and after (Pacific Rim, Wolverine, Conjuring, RED 2) that are all after a theater share.

 

[mclay18]

competition is also a big factor in the box office and also highly unpredictable. naturally any movie will make more money with less unknown competition. MOS was sandwiched between a lot of movies like Despicable Me 2, Monsters University (both popular sequels to children and we all know any children G rated movie likely makes more money) and World War Z (Brad Pitt has a lot of fans you know!) and other movies in June like White House Down, The Heat, The Internship, This is the end which is no ways as small movies.

Oh yeah. We can debate MOS's merits endlessly, but WB made a boneheaded decision to release it in mid-June. It would likely have better staying power had World War Z and/or Monsters University been released later in the summer.

I think if WB knew how MOS was going to fare in mid-June, they would've swapped the dates with Pacific Rim. Or if they had the foresight to be more risky, definitely in March or August 2013.

BVS has a clear field.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Pacific Rim had the better date, yet did the least when compared to MOS.

 

[Jekecy]

So you would disagree with the assertion put forward here that the audience liked the film more than the critics.

They're not exactly equal metrics. Critics have to see every film and as such you've essentially captured the total demographic possible, regardless of whether they were interested.

Audiences need to be sold on a product, and there's no real way to know whether you've captured the biggest possible demographic you can. Until after the fact. And only if it's a direct sequel. A good example being Iron Man 1 and Batman Begins. Compare those BO numbers to the last of the trilogy. Humongous jump. But no one from 2005 and 2008 could have predicted that.

We don't know if we've hit the proverbial ceiling of what this property, as of today, can gather.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

There's only been one movie released in the DCCU to talk about, with a three year wait until the next one. It seems obvious that MOS will be discussed ad nauseam.

I don't care that MOS is discussed ad nauseum. Can you just do it on, oh I don't know, THE MOS BOARD?!

If you need help finding it, here is the link: http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=348