BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - Part 12

[db85usa]

So I said last night we may see $51-$52M possibly $53M for the 2nd weekend and last week 69% 2nd weekend drop. With the estimates, I think it will be lowered down to $51M thus we will have the 69% drop. These are unfavorable numbers for WB and in all likelihood eliminates any possibility of grossing north of $1 billion. I still think this film will continue seeing massive drops and slow down quite a bit with its box office receipts.

It would seem that by the end of its box office run, the studio will rely heavily on downstream revenue sources. So my totals remain the same.

Worldwide: $880 million
Domestic: $330 million
Foreign: $550 million

 

[jaymes_e06]

That sounds reasonable but when taking the budget of this film into consideration, I'd wager that WB is disappointed with these results (both critically and financially).

True. I wonder how they will treat WW now that this hasn't panned out the way they had expected. Will they put more money into it or just go the course already set?

 

[king666]

I'm sure not hitting a billion will eat at them a bit, considering they managed to hit that threshold with two Batman films (without 3D or the shared universe concept).

and honestly, if films like Jurassic World and Fast 7 can hit the right buttons with audiences to reach a billion, I don't see why that expectation is unrealistic for two of the greatest icons in pop culture. This concept had the potential to be a true juggernaut.

I truly struggle to see a scenario where WB looks at an $800 million haul and says, "We're thrilled with this! Mission accomplished!"

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the execs' conclusion to the whole thing is "well, there you go, we shouldn't put Batman with these other superheroes".

I don't think WW will be affected at all.

People came out of this movie excited for a Wonder Woman film. People have already been craving a female lead super hero film and this will fill that void. It'll also be made by someone other than Zack Snyder.

The only films that might be affected by BvS bad word of mouth are Justice League and the films that follow it.

Yeah, WW has potential. It probably won't break $1bi, but I can see it making more money than BvS. Idk.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the execs' conclusion to the whole thing is "well, there you go, we shouldn't put Batman with these other superheroes".

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the Batfleck scene from SS "just in case"

 

[reptarcrunch]

yeah i think after BvS, a lot more people are interested in wonder woman.. i know i am i didnt have much interest at all beforehand

 

[B]

That sounds reasonable but when taking the budget of this film into consideration, I'd wager that WB is disappointed with these results (both critically and financially).

Well not really, I've seen some places argue that BvS budget was $400m. Even if that were actually the case, something I'd actually doubt myself, making pretty much double the money it cost you to produce I'd imagine would be considered a win.

Now if it had done maybe only $500m-$600m region, I'd imagine they'd be disappointed, but anything upwards of $800m I'd imagine they'd consider a success.

I would actually personally think the budget for this movie was in the region of $250m which is in the region of what it's actually being billed as by most reputable places.

 

[-Arya-]

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the Batfleck scene from SS "just in case"

Unlikely. SS has numerous Batman villains; if Batman can't interact with them, then what's the point?

 

[kalhawj]

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the Batfleck scene from SS "just in case"

No way they cut Batman out. He was one of the highlight of BvS plus the team are his villains. People will be excited to see Batfleck face off with this new Joker.

 

[DCmania]

I'm sure not hitting a billion will eat at them a bit, considering they managed to hit that threshold with two Batman films (without 3D or the shared universe concept).

and honestly, if films like Jurassic World and Fast 7 can hit the right buttons with audiences to reach a billion, I don't see why that expectation is unrealistic for two of the greatest icons in pop culture. This concept had the potential to be a true juggernaut.

I truly struggle to see a scenario where WB looks at an $800 million haul and says, "We're thrilled with this! Mission accomplished!"

Well said, just barely getting your money back or managing to scrape a profit should not even be considered acceptable when some franchises are making over a billion in profit(including merchandising and such) off of one film. Anything less than a billion is laughable at this point. WB should be firing people left right and center. Who's running that show...? Mediocrity can become a habit.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Deadpool is filled with jokes and "funny" moments. There's nothing dark about it and the whole thing is quite cartoonish, even with all the blood.

Judt because a film has humor doesn't mean that it's not dark. it's a dark film the aesthetic is unlike anything Marvel has put out. Like I said a closer comparison is SS who seems to have humor and brassness to it not bright and sunshiny like Avengers.

 

[-Arya-]

Well not really, I've seen some places argue that BvS budget was $400m. Even if that were actually the case, something I'd actually doubt myself, making pretty much double the money it cost you to produce I'd imagine would be considered a win.

Now if it had done maybe only $500m-$600m region, I'd imagine they'd be disappointed, but anything upwards of $800m I'd imagine they'd consider a success.

I would actually personally think the budget for this movie was in the region of $250m which is in the region of what it's actually being billed as by most reputable places.

True, but we've seen other reports (namely the Forbes article) claiming this film will need 800M just to break even with production, advertisement and overhead taken into account. I'm not sure which amount is true, but nonetheless, I'd still think WB is hesitant to say that BvS was a success.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Unlikely. SS has numerous Batman villains; if Batman can't interact with them, then what's the point?

See: Gotham

 

[B]

I'm sure not hitting a billion will eat at them a bit, considering they managed to hit that threshold with two Batman films (without 3D or the shared universe concept).

and honestly, if films like Jurassic World and Fast 7 can hit the right buttons with audiences to reach a billion, I don't see why that expectation is unrealistic for two of the greatest icons in pop culture. This concept had the potential to be a true juggernaut.

I truly struggle to see a scenario where WB looks at an $800 million haul and says, "We're thrilled with this! Mission accomplished!"

I'd agree that I'm sure they won't look at $800m & say we're thrilled with it's performance, but at the same time I don't think they'll look at $800m & say we're disappointed either. Trilled you're probably talking $900m+, disappointed you're probably talking $700m or less... or basically the same as what MoS made whatever that was, $600m was it?

 

[jaymes_e06]

Yep. I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the Batfleck scene from SS "just in case"

That seems stupid and hyperbolic imo to think it would escalate to that after ONE film.

 

[Poni_Boy]

No way they cut Batman out. He was one of the highlight of BvS plus the team are his villains. People will be excited to see Batfleck face off with this new Joker.

Has nothing to do with it. Has to do with preserving the brand.

 

[daddydivine]

True, but we've seen other reports (namely the Forbes article) claiming this film will need 800M just to break even with production, advertisement and overhead taken into account. I'm not sure which amount is true, but nonetheless, I'd still think WB is hesitant to say that BvS was a success.

Maybe to people with stock in WB. But I'm sure they'd spin it to the GA that it was. Trust I can attest first hand that only a few people understand how the box office and profits work. Hell, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix LOST 167 million and everyone thinks its a success.

So if BvS breaks even WB will spin it as a success to the GA.

 

[Docker2.0]

See: Gotham

Good comeback!

 

[-Arya-]

See: Gotham

That's television. Different rules apply. You simply do not eject your most profitable character out of a major motion picture if it his world that the characters are interacting in.

 

[Matt]

That seems stupid and hyperbolic imo to think it would escalate to that after ONE film.

Not necessarily. There is nothing tying Suicide Squad to the DCEU other than a cameo from Batfleck. Considering that SS's trailers have been met with positivity, there is merit to moving away from that and letting SS exist as its own entity rather than muddling down in a continuity than fans are not being receptive to.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well not really, I've seen some places argue that BvS budget was $400m. Even if that were actually the case, something I'd actually doubt myself, making pretty much double the money it cost you to produce I'd imagine would be considered a win.

Now if it had done maybe only $500m-$600m region, I'd imagine they'd be disappointed, but anything upwards of $800m I'd imagine they'd consider a success.

I would actually personally think the budget for this movie was in the region of $250m which is in the region of what it's actually being billed as by most reputable places.

$200 mil to produce
$200 mil to market
= $400 mil that people are citing

Doubling cost = break even point

Blockbusters aren't made to break even

 

[Kelly]

Not necessarily. There is nothing tying Suicide Squad to the DCEU other than a cameo from Batfleck. Considering that SS's trailers have been met with positivity, there is merit to moving away from that and letting SS exist as its own entity rather than muddling down in a continuity than fans are not being receptive to.

Or that the GA has absolutely no clue about...

 

[Plaidchuck]

Batman is not in Gotham because WB doesnt want him.anywhere near a tv show.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's television. Different rules apply. You simply do not eject your most profitable character out of a major motion picture if it his world that the characters are interacting in.

Different medium, same rules. Protect your investment.

 

[Spiderdevil]

So how are these estimates according to expectations?

 

[Matt]

That's television. Different rules apply. You simply do not eject your most profitable character out of a major motion picture if it his world that the characters are interacting in.

But he really doesn't interact with them all that much in SS. It is a glorified cameo. Removing Batfleck from the equation leaves the door open either way. If JL somehow turns the reception to Batfleck around, he can interact with them in a sequel or in his own movies. If it doesn't and the Suicide Squad is well received, it can be its own entity all together (and even bring in its own alternate universe Batman if the story necessitates it). It is a win/win.