BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - Part 14

[WilliamK99]

Feel free to stick your head in the sand and dismiss facts that contradict your chosen view, but that quote came from Variety in the article you linked, before Batman v Superman was released, not from WB after the release.

WHy would WB expect BvS to make less than a billion when Batman solo movies have made over a billion recently? It doesn't make sense...

 

[johnboy3434]

You don't even need to take their word for it. You can do the math yourself.

$250 million production budget x 1.5 = $375 million production+marketing budget

Domestic Gross x 0.55 = Domestic Studio Take

Foreign Gross / 3 =Foreign Studio Take

60/40 Foreign/Domestic split => $900 million worldwide gross to make $375 million for the studio

 

[TheSuperBrando]

WHy would WB expect BvS to make less than a billion when Batman solo movies have made over a billion recently? It doesn't make sense...

Because this isn't kindergarten math. Just because you add one superhero to another doesn't mean you automatically get TDK + MOS money. I'm sure they wanted BvS to make more, but it's FAR from a failure.

 

[MrsKent26]

WHy would WB expect BvS to make less than a billion when Batman solo movies have made over a billion recently? It doesn't make sense...

Indeed. I'm not going to claim to know anything for sure because I'm not an insider, but logic dictates that they'd expect a billion. That's the ball park these big superhero tent poles are playing in. BVS was clearly intended to compete in that market. Why would WB, or any company, release a product into the market and think "gee, I assume our product will make less than the other guy's!"

 

[BatLobster]

There's a few other things to consider, like promotional tie-ins (which ended up helping a lot with MoS too). The Turkish Airlines deal was big. Then there's home video, VOD, cable, etc. They'll end up in the plus column when it's all said and done, I think, despite not making nearly as much money as it ought to have. The bigger, critical issue here is this movie has not gotten off the DCEU on the right foot with audiences and there is no discernible hype for Justice League. Just a lot of bitterness and infighting in the fanbase.

It's really all about Suicide Squad now. I feel like it could be the savior or nail in the coffin for DC's Universe.

 

[TheSuperBrando]

You don't even need to take their word for it. You can do the math yourself.

$250 million production budget x 1.5 = $375 million production+marketing budget

Domestic Gross x 0.55 = Domestic Studio Take

Foreign Gross / 3 =Foreign Studio Take

60/40 Foreign/Domestic split => $900 million worldwide gross to make $375 million for the studio

1) That's not taking into account the licensing or bluray sales, which characters like Superman and Batman do pretty well at and MOS blew out of the park.

2) Any movie that makes between $700 million and $1 billion can't reasonably called a failure. It might have a smaller profit margin because of an inflated budget, but more people went to see this movie than many other superhero movies, and any way you look at it that's a lot of money.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's really all about Suicide Squad now. I feel like it could be the savior or nail in the coffin for DC's Universe.

"The fate of DC's most beloved heroes rests at the feet of its most vile villains"

I swear, following this release was WAY more fun than I ever expected

 

[Flint Marko]

Just because you add one superhero to another doesn't mean you automatically get TDK + MOS money.

That's the ballpark they were aiming for, no question. It appears they're going to come up well short of that.

 

[Jekecy]

It's really all about Suicide Squad now. I feel like it could be the savior or nail in the coffin for DC's Universe.

SS seems fairly isolated from the rest of the universe, much like GoTG is. At best I see it driving up hype for the inevitable Batman series. The rest of the DCEU, I can't see being impacted one way or the other.

 

[-Arya-]

SS seems fairly isolated from the rest of the universe, much like GoTG is. At best I see it driving up hype for the inevitable Batman series. The rest of the DCEU, I can't see being impacted one way or the other.

That's unfairly up to Wonder Woman.

 

[johnboy3434]

Any movie that makes between $700 million and $1 billion can't reasonably called a failure.

Any project that makes less money than is put into it is a failure. If I spend $200 billion on a business endeavor, but I only make $100 billion, it doesn't matter that $100 billion is more money than almost anyone in the world has: The project was a failure.

Likewise, a project that makes a profit, but not as much as was desired by the financiers, is considered a disappointment. Only the people at WB know exactly what that return is, but it's at least 10%. It's not going to make that threshold at the box office, and that alone is enough to give pause to the executives, even if it does make a decent profit after home video sales.

 

[Flint Marko]

I seriously think WW is going to be huge. Maybe that's just me.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's unfairly up to Wonder Woman.

WW needs a huge box office take. Huge. The budget for that got carried away even though WB slashed it before Jenkins came on board

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I seriously think WW is going to be huge. Maybe that's just me.

I see it doing decent but not huge tbh

 

[-Arya-]

One thing I will credit WB for is having two potential big hits released before a JL film. If they skipped from BvS right into JL, I don't think the DCEU would have survived past this month.

 

[WilliamK99]

I seriously think WW is going to be huge. Maybe that's just me.

It's facing some stiff competition, it will not be able to skate by with little to no competition like BvS. The box office total for this movie is deceiving because it was released with no major competition as other studios were afraid, they aren't afraid any longer...

 

[flickchick85]

I think WW will do quite well, I just hope it does well enough, to not have any other DCEU failures hung around its neck.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's facing some stiff competition, it will not be able to skate by with little to no competition like BvS. The box office total for this movie is deceiving because it was released with no major competition as other studios were afraid, they aren't afraid any longer...

I can easily see Disney, Pixar and Uni/Legendary hitting WW with pass interference. No one is scared anymore. BvS is sinking with NO competition. None. The Boss? Hardcore Henry? Jesus

 

[Poni_Boy]

I think WW will do quite well, I just hope it does well enough, to not have any other DCEU failures hung around its neck.

That's the unfair part. It has to do huge numbers or else it'll be "Yup the girl movie failed." I can hear it now. Hollywood misogyny at its finest

 

[WilliamK99]

That's the unfair part. It has to do huge numbers or else it'll be "Yup the girl movie failed." I can hear it now. Hollywood misogyny at its finest

That is an unfair burden to place on a film...

 

[CrystalShaman]

It's up to WB to manage those expectations properly.

 

[BatLobster]

"The fate of DC's most beloved heroes rests at the feet of its most vile villains"

I swear, following this release was WAY more fun than I ever expected

Ha, it's pretty interesting alright.

The thing for me is I really have always respected WB as a studio, despite their hit and miss record with DC properties. They've produced so many all-time great films in general, and most definitely some of my favorite superhero films. They just desperately need real leadership when it comes to DC, now more than ever.

SS seems fairly isolated from the rest of the universe, much like GoTG is. At best I see it driving up hype for the inevitable Batman series. The rest of the DCEU, I can't see being impacted one way or the other.

Well, if it's a success and critics and audiences like it, it will at least break the cold streak of DCEU films being rotten on the Tomatometer. I feel like they need a public win badly now. And even if it mainly drums up excitement for Batman, that's certainly not a bad thing.

But I think the downside, IF (I pray not) the movie ends up being a bomb or another "mild success"...it's not going to paint a very pretty picture.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The thing for me is I really have always loved and respected WB as a studio, despite their hit and miss record with DC properties. They've produced so many all-time great films in general, and most definitely some of my favorite superhero films. They just desperately need real leadership when it comes to DC, more now than ever.

They are gonna shelve smaller films for Superhero and franchise films only now.

 

[iambranded]

1) That's not taking into account the licensing or bluray sales, which characters like Superman and Batman do pretty well at and MOS blew out of the park.

2) Any movie that makes between $700 million and $1 billion can't reasonably called a failure. It might have a smaller profit margin because of an inflated budget, but more people went to see this movie than many other superhero movies, and any way you look at it that's a lot of money.

Amazing Spiderman 2 made $708,996,336 and was considered a massive failure, and drove Sony to pair up with Marvel Studios
Profit makes a difference yes in terms of money spent...but their brand will take a massive hit if they cant grow their profit
BvS was such a disapointment

 

[Jekecy]

They are gonna shelve smaller films for Superhero and franchise films only now.

Only would be stretching it, but for the interim the move makes sense. Smaller pics can and are made in large part to the success of blockbusters. Studios can afford to take more risks because of their surplus.

WBs past 18 months have been dreadful to say the least, so I'm not surprised by this new tactic. Once they've lined up a couple of runaway hits I've no doubt they can start moving back to the director-friendly studio they've made a name of themselves for.