BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[BatofGotham]

What qualified him is that he was the one who said yes after many said no(including Affleck himself). They settled for him.

And why did many say no? I mean DC has a history of making great animated films and the idea of a shared live action universe was very profitable. I don't see why heaps of people other than Snyder weren't lining up to create the DCEU.

 

[Erzengel]

Maybe no one at WB has that type of vision or scope.

 

[Bats123]

Not to salt any wounds but BvS, on its fourth Monday, made less than Ant-Man did on its fifth. By the way, Ant-Man opened to $109M less than BvS.

Flavor of the week. t:

 

[FunkMiller]

https://***********/BoxOffice/status/722498126162964480

That is just... just... I mean.... wow.

 

[metaphysician]

It's gonna make a profit of at least a couple hundred million, as a trade article had estimated a while back. WB really needed this after last year. It's gonna get even better for the studio with Suicide Squad and Fantastic Beasts.

It'll make a profit of a couple hundred million. . . after all the ancillary revenue is counted. Bear in mind that ancillary revenue is just that: money that you will have in the bank a year or two down the road is not worth as much as money you have in the bank now.

 

[noakai]

And why did many say no? I mean DC has a history of making great animated films and the idea of a shared live action universe was very profitable. I don't see why heaps of people other than Snyder weren't lining up to create the DCEU.

Maybe they didn't want the pressure of having to go up against both the MCU and the shadow of the Nolan movies. And remember, the last Superman movie (Superman Returns) got ripped to shreds on top of that. That's a daunting thing for any director to take on. Plus, if they did, they'd be tied to the DCU for years, making movies. Some directors aren't interested in that.

The thing I do not understand is scheduling JL filming so close to BvS's release date after the reception to MoS. There was always a chance people would react the same way to Snyder's second movie as they did to his first.

 

[metaphysician]

$400 million budget, including promotion. And it needs to clear 850 at least to turn a profit, if not over the 900. Anything less will,be regarded at WB as a failure.

You know, I was originally skeptical about the 400M number. However, if the production budget for the movie actually did approach 300M, then yeah, it becomes plausible. At least if you assume they spent an inordinate amount on marketing, which is believable.

 

[metaphysician]

Only because of Perlmutter's infamous frugality. He is gone now.

Even with Perlmutter gone, I suspect Marvel is still going to be pretty cost-efficient. I doubt they've thrown 250M at Dr Strange, for example.

 

[kedrell]

No, Dr. Strange will be kept around $150m mark, give or take $25m. Marvel is well aware that probably half of the key to success is not wasting money unnecessarily. Had BvS managed to cover all their marketing costs with product placement deals like MoS did then it would have been a substantially more profitable movie.

 

[samsnee]

Maybe they didn't want the pressure of having to go up against both the MCU and the shadow of the Nolan movies. And remember, the last Superman movie (Superman Returns) got ripped to shreds on top of that. That's a daunting thing for any director to take on. Plus, if they did, they'd be tied to the DCU for years, making movies. Some directors aren't interested in that.

The thing I do not understand is scheduling JL filming so close to BvS's release date after the reception to MoS. There was always a chance people would react the same way to Snyder's second movie as they did to his first.

WB has no other real franchises at this point. They had to show investors they had a long term plan for profitability.

 

[samsnee]

So it looks like BvS has at best $20M left domestically and thus is likely to finish just ahead of Shrek the Third ($323M) and behind Forrest Gump ($330M, with rerelease), good for 42nd all-time domestic (not adjusted for inflation). Maybe it will top Forrest and finish just behind Guardians of the Galaxy ($333M). So in addition to Batman, it had Superman and Wonder Woman but grossed ~$200M less than TDK and ~$120M less than TDKR (both domestically). Despite four years of massive overseas market growth (not to mention PLF screens), BvS will gross $100M less internationally than TDKR.

ugh.... Superhero fatigue? I got nothing.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Up until a couple weeks ago I thought the people predicting Deapool would out-gross BvS domestically were just teasing, but it seems downright likely now?

 

[kedrell]

It's a lock at this point. Has been for weeks now. Ever since that terrible 2nd weekend drop the writing has been on the wall regarding it vs. Deadpool, which is at $360M DOM now. BvS will be lucky to see $330m DOM.

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^

A year ago you couldn't have paid anyone to accept that outcome as plausible.

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Like 3 months ago maybe even...

 

[Boy Scout]

And why did many say no? I mean DC has a history of making great animated films and the idea of a shared live action universe was very profitable. I don't see why heaps of people other than Snyder weren't lining up to create the DCEU.

MOS had to begin production by a certain time. If it didn't, the studio would have lost the rights to the character. I imagine that some of those directors didn't think that they could deliver a quality product in the time they were being allotted.

Also, Affleck has denied the rumors that he was offered MOS.

 

[Lily Adler]

Some say that the potential of losing the rights WAS the reason Man of Steel was even made.

 

[Boy Scout]

I believe it, too.

 

[hafizbat]

The fact that there's more rumors of a Lobo movie than another Superman solo is also telling.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

ugh.... Superhero fatigue? I got nothing.

I got something : BvS is a crappy movie.

 

[Bruce Malone]

If JL doesn't perform to expectations I'm almost positive all WB is gonna focus on is Batman solo films and lower budgeted films featuring lesser known properties like Lobo etc.

They are probably hoping it can be their Deadpool...

 

[mightiest_mortal]

If JL doesn't perform to expectations I'm almost positive all WB is gonna focus on is Batman solo films and lower budgeted films featuring lesser known properties like Lobo etc.

They are probably hoping it can be their Deadpool...

Without doubt; as soon as Deadpool made that money, it was obvious WB would dig up something similar.

I actually think that'd be a really good idea though. Make some cheap lower budget movies, get actors and directors that'd KILL to prove themselves and put 150% in to the characters. It's what Marvels doing just because it makes much better sense financially than throwing all your Fabergé eggs in one basket, and the net profit on the box office can be a lot higher if it's a success.

IMO the biggest problems with BvS were that the budget was so huge that it became ridiculous the amount it'd have to make to actually net some profit for the company. Secondly, I've felt that Snyder is making these movies as some self-indulgent exploration of ojectivism rather than because he loves the characters and wants to make movies about them. The characters have never felt "heroic", even the one thing Superman does that's selfless ends up getting him killed.

 

[MadVillainy]

If JL doesn't perform to expectations I'm almost positive all WB is gonna focus on is Batman solo films and lower budgeted films featuring lesser known properties like Lobo etc.

They are probably hoping it can be their Deadpool...

I believe so to, but as someone pointed out to me by the time JL is released then Flash and Aquaman will already be deep into filming if not done by then

 

[InCali]

^^^

A year ago you couldn't have paid anyone to accept that outcome as plausible.

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Like 3 months ago maybe even...

Like 6 weeks ago maybe even.

 

[titansupes]

^ That's the one.

 

[OzzMosiz]

No, Dr. Strange will be kept around $150m mark, give or take $25m. Marvel is well aware that probably half of the key to success is not wasting money unnecessarily. Had BvS managed to cover all their marketing costs with product placement deals like MoS did then it would have been a substantially more profitable movie.

How do you know they didn't?
I saw two major collaborations.
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I expect there were a lot more worldwide.