BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - Part 2

[rockandrollsoul]

Well, arguably those were all "good" films. (Sorry, TF is for? Forgive me, I know I'll recognize it instantly when you tell me... TFA?)

No. None of those are good films. At all.

TFA = Force Awakens.

Sorry, TF was for the Transformers series (for the record, I thought TFA was ok). Anyway, I would argue that all of those movies are sub-par or mediocre at best. I certainly wouldn't call any of them good movies. They're pure spectacle aimed at the lowest common denominator. I'm sure in a few years, after the hype's faded away, few will look back on them favorably.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Umm, well we're getting into the realm of subjective opinion. What defines good for something like this? Those films were enjoyable for the GA and all came in at 70s-90s for a RT score.

I mean, I do get the point, though, that on occasion hugely successful films (box office-wise and that are rated 'fresh' on RT) can be seen as poor movies by discriminating fans.

It is totally subjective and, all I can say about that is, it boggles my mind how any of those movies could garner overall positive reviews. And before you think it, I'm not a movie snob by any means. All I expected from those movies were fun and entertainment as promised by those favorable reviews and, for me, they all fell way short.

 

[Marvin]

It is totally subjective and, all I can say about that is, it boggles my mind how any of those movies could garner overall positive reviews. And before you think it, I'm not a movie snob by any means. All I expected from those movies were fun and entertainment as promised by those favorable reviews and, for me, they all fell way short.

For 'everyone else', it appears they were 'good' movies.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

For 'everyone else', it appears they were 'good' movies.

I get that, but "everyone" also thought Titanic, for example, was an amazing movie when it first came out (hell, it won best picture!), but the general consensus is probably much less favorable now. I wonder how many now would consider it a good movie, let alone Oscar caliber (I would consider it neither).

My point is this: I believe most people tend to get swept up in the hype of these event movies and view them through that filter. They hear that it's an "event" and it's fun and entertaining, so they jump on the bandwagon.

I also think, thanks to the internet's affinity for hyperbole, a lot of people have steered away from giving anything an average or mediocre review. It seems that everything now is either amazing or awful. I wouldn't consider most of the movies I listed to be absolutely terrible (except the TF sequels), but by no means would I consider any of them "good" movies and I'm sure in a few years, when the hype's died down, there are few who will.

 

[rogbngp]

@rockandrollsoul I hear you, but I should think that in order to do huge box office there have to be a lot of repeat viewers. So the audience was having fun with the film for whatever reason. Maybe just mindless popcorn fun. But that's all a lot of the GA are looking for. Lots of action, stars they like to watch, some cool CGI. They're content with that.

Any movie can be dissected for weaknesses. I mean was Avatar really that good? One of my friends calls it Dances with Smurfs, and feels it was basically just a recycling of Dancing with Wolves in space. I think it did well mainly because it was the first 3D blockbuster, and it really used the 3D well, actually. The story is fine, but really nothing extraordinary.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

@rockandrollsoul I hear you, but I should think that in order to do huge box office there have to be a lot of repeat viewers. So the audience was having fun with the film for whatever reason. Maybe just mindless popcorn fun. But that's all a lot of the GA are looking for. Lots of action, stars they like to watch, some cool CGI. They're content with that.

See that's the thing: I didn't find those movies to be particularly "fun", though, and that's literally all I expected from them. Most of the action scenes felt forced and, particularly in AoU and F7, overly long and self indulgent. "Fun" is all about pacing and that's an area where all of these movies dropped the ball, IMO. Some recent "fun" movies that got it right: GotG, Kingsmen, and Mad Max: Fury Road. Now, those were fun.

Any movie can be dissected for weaknesses. I mean was Avatar really that good? One of my friends calls it Dances with Smurfs, and feels it was basically just a recycling of Dancing with Wolves in space. I think it did well mainly because it was the first 3D blockbuster, and it really used the 3D well, actually. The story is fine, but really nothing extraordinary.

I only dissect a movie after the fact to understand why I did or didn't like it, though. It's not as if I enjoy a movie and then think, "yeah, but the editing in that one scene was weird, so nevermind". I'm definitely not a nitpicker. I just think these movies were fundamentally flawed.

 

[jokesonm3]

All this film needs to do is just be some good popcorn fun, you know worth the ticket price, and then it'll be big.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

All this film needs to do is just be some good popcorn fun, you know worth the ticket price, and then it'll be big.

Agreed. Personally, I hope it's more than that (and given the themes they're tackling, it's certainly possible), but that's all it needs to be to do big numbers.

 

[jokesonm3]

Agreed. Personally, I hope it's more than that (and given the themes they're tackling, it's certainly possible), but that's all it needs to be to do big numbers.

Oh i definitely believe that it'll be bigger than what i've just proclaimed.

But for the absolute minimum it'll need to be just fun & entertaining to be financially successful.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Oh i definitely believe that it'll be bigger than what i've just proclaimed.

But for the absolute minimum it'll need to be just fun & entertaining to be financially successful.

Yep.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Oh i definitely believe that it'll be bigger than what i've just proclaimed.

But for the absolute minimum it'll need to be just fun & entertaining to be financially successful.

To be fair, for what WB / DC need this film to do (i.e. launch an entire extended universe on film) it needs to be WAY more than just that as a 'minimum'.

 

[Bruce Malone]

All this film needs to do is just be some good popcorn fun, you know worth the ticket price, and then it'll be big.

I feel like this film is going to be be compared so much to TFA which is the current bar for "popcorn fun" that's been set-now especially by critics.

I can see that as something that critically won't help the film.

 

[jokesonm3]

I feel like this film is going to be be compared so much to TFA which is the current bar for "popcorn fun" that's been set-now especially by critics.

I can see that as something that critically won't help the film.

Well financially speaking BvS ain't gonna touch TFA.

Now on the other hand, critically speaking, me personally i say it is safe to say that none of the cbm films releasing this year are guaranteed to have an RT score in the 90's percentile like TFA unless they absolutely knock it outta the park, lightning in a bottle.

But honestly, even a diehard fanboy either from DC or Marvel should at least know that no superhero film is gonna touch TFA numbers in a very long time through sheer common sense.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Well financially speaking BvS ain't gonna touch TFA.

Now on the other hand, critically speaking, me personally i say it is safe to say that none of the cbm films releasing this year are guaranteed to have an RT score in the 90's percentile like TFA unless they absolutely knock it outta the park, lightning in a bottle.

But honestly, even a diehard fanboy either from DC or Marvel should at least know that no superhero film is gonna touch TFA numbers in a very long time through sheer common sense.

Very true. I doubt BvS will come close financially or critically. That said, I felt TFA was good, but nothing spectacular. Personally, if BvS was only as good as TFA, I would be let down.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah my point is the unfair expectations that some may have for BvS coming from TFA. I can see critics definitely comparing the two.

Leaving the financial aspect aside BvS doesn't have all the goodwill and nostalgia that TFA had so people will be coming at it a little more jaded in my view.

 

[jokesonm3]

Well one things for certain is that some old school critics will compare BvS to the Reeve films and the Keaton/Bale films.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Well financially speaking BvS ain't gonna touch TFA.

Now on the other hand, critically speaking, me personally i say it is safe to say that none of the cbm films releasing this year are guaranteed to have an RT score in the 90's percentile like TFA unless they absolutely knock it outta the park, lightning in a bottle.

But honestly, even a diehard fanboy either from DC or Marvel should at least know that no superhero film is gonna touch TFA numbers in a very long time through sheer common sense.

JL films stand a chance....

 

[Val_Zod]

Yeah my point is the unfair expectations that some may have for BvS coming from TFA. I can see critics definitely comparing the two.

Leaving the financial aspect aside BvS doesn't have all the goodwill and nostalgia that TFA had so people will be coming at it a little more jaded in my view.

That could prove a blessing if the film delivers. AOU, while good, suffered from the high expectations set by the first Avengers and to an extent TWS and GOTG. BvS having mixed expectations means for many, it doesn't have to take much to please some, but then again, this is a historical comicbook movie moment, and many could be disappointed if the first tenure of Batman and Superman on film together isn't a glorious one.

Edit: Finally crossed the 1000 post milestone.t:

 

[jokesonm3]

JL films stand a chance....

Two part films usually aren't that big.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Two part films usually aren't that big.

Dude, this is the Justice League, together in their own films, it will be huge.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I think BvS should do Furious/Avengers type numbers. 1.5 bil WW is where I'm at. I'd love to see it hit over 500m domestic.

 

[jokesonm3]

DC films like the TDK trilogy and Man of Steel have a tenancy of doing really well domestically in the States.

$500M+ sounds really likely.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Dude, this is the Justice League, together in their own films, it will be huge.

To the average non-comic book fan Justice League would seem marginally more impressive if more impressive at all than a film featuring Batman vs Superman with Wonder Woman.

For all intents and purposes this film is DCCU Avenger's they are already starting big.

JL's success will be entirely dependent on how successful this film is.

 

[Bruce Malone]

DC films like the TDK trilogy and Man of Steel have a tenancy of doing really well domestically in the States.

$500M+ sounds really likely.

Man of Steel debuted big but it failed to crack 300 million, I wouldn't put it in the category of the TDK series.

Any film debuting to 115 million+ should really pass 300 million.

 

[Mandon Knight]

To the average non-comic book fan Justice League would seem marginally more impressive if more impressive at all than a film featuring Batman vs Superman with Wonder Woman.

For all intents and purposes this film is DCCU Avenger's they are already starting big.

JL's success will be entirely dependent on how successful this film is.

Loyal fans & die hards will stampide their way to this, the GA are important no doubt, but fan numbers alone will earn it millions.