Xenforo is upgrading us to version 2.3.7 on Thursday Aug 14, 2025 at 01:00 AM BST. This upgrade includes several security fixes among other improvements. Expect a temporary downtime during this process.
More info here
The story is indeed a mess, it opens plots that lead nowhere, and pretty much all the time you can't answer the question "why x character is doing that?". Visually, is good, there are good intentions everywhere, a great cast (misused as I'll point in a moment), but it's all worth nothing with character with unexplainable actions and motivations from start to finish.
And I have to say, it gets annoying how they go out of their ways to mentions ALL THE TIME during the 3rd act that there is no people in the zone of conflict (the filmakers trying hard to avoid another SuperGate)
Of the 3 main players, Batman is the best, an almost flawless incarnation (there is stuff here and there that would displease fans, but overall, the best Batman on film). Superman is the same from MoS, not my cup of tea, but whatever. Lex Luthor... jesus, is Jesse Eisenberg playing the Joker. I was hoping that the goofy stuff was just a facade, but behind closed doors, he remains goofy, it doesn't show as much 'cause he is not interacting with anyone. But he is a clownish psychopath all the time. I don't get it, who do we have to kill so people will understand that Gene Hackman wasn't the definitive Luthor?
Overall, the movie had all the right ingredients to do justice to a classic match/team up from comics, but the story development worthy of a 10 year old made it a missed opportunity.
vic who a well known DC comic's and and overly bias batman fan has the same score and it look like you and him are onthe same page detail int youtube video below
Behind the scene's and a none spoiler review from EPN.tv
That is the word that most comes to mind while replaying the film in my head. So many images, iconic images, lifted straight from the page. Then there are the images that we know to be iconic. Images etched into the collective memory of DC Comics fans. Director Zack Snyder takes these images and twists them and makes them something even more special. Whether it's the inevitable murder of the Wayne family or a famous panel from a 90s comic book, Snyder makes these images his own often improving on the original.
Let's address the 220-pound bat in the room: Ben Affleck. Since he was cast in the film, internet forums have gone berserk with only the latest Batman-heavy trailer helping to alleviate 2003-Daredevil inspired fever dreams. Rest easy, folks. Affleck steps into the role like he was born to play it. His grizzled, hardened Bruce Wayne is ruthless, broken and violent. He is also compassionate and fearless. Nothing exemplifies this more than running into a cloud of dust and debris as a building topples -- as he looks to save whoever he can. This world has beaten the Batman down, yes. It's made him paranoid. But he is still very much a hero. And Affleck nails this. We understand his motivations. He sells it with a look. Staring at the sky, surrounded by rubble and holding a now orphaned little girl. That's all the justification he needs.
Assisting Affleck to become the best on-screen incarnation of the Dark Knight is his valet and confidant Alfred Pennyworth (Jeremy Irons). Irons plays the role like a mildly disapproving but enabling uncle to Bruce. This Alfred is hands on and not afraid to give "Master Wayne" a piece of his mind every now and then. The chemistry between the two is terrific.
Henry Cavill turns in the best work of his career as Clark Kent/Superman. He builds on his performance from 2013's Man Of Steel. We see him as a Superman who is confident in his power and abilities, even if the world isn't. This is a Superman who would do anything to protect "his world" no matter how big or small his world is.
Lois Lane (Amy Adams) gets a lot more to do in this film than progress the plot (as she did to a degree in Man Of Steel). Here, her story runs somewhat parallel to our titular heroes only to meet up somewhere around the third act. Adams' ability to humanize Clark and getting to see their relationship advance is a pleasure to watch on screen. Also, any time we spend with the crew at the Daily Planet is time well spent.
Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor may have appeared to be a swing-and-a-miss by Snyder, but it works. It's not the suave, calculated Luthor of the comics who does everything through a third party and avoids any culpability. No. This Luthor is cold. He is calculating. He is a bit manic. And he certainly gets his hands dirty. Two particular scenes (one involving Holly Hunter's Senator Finch and a rooftop showdown) hammer home how demented and twisted this Luthor is. This isn't the campy silly Gene Hackman version or the middle-of-the-road, half-suave, half-camp of Kevin Spacey. This is a ruthless Lex that is ultimately the best version we've had on screen yet. It works.
Gal Gadot as Diana Prince/Wonder Woman? Let's just say she steals the show. Summer 2017 can't come soon enough for her solo effort.
The negatives of the film are decidedly spoiler territory:
[BLACKOUT]Doomsday. Revealed in the trailers, his appearance isn't a surprise. And that's okay. His battle is fantastically rendered and expertly photographed. His powers, however, would have been better sticking with the source material. Snyder and co. have given him the ability to expel pulses of radiation, and while a devastating effect, they just seem like an excuse for large-scale destruction. And it just sticks out as unnecessary noise. He would have been a credible threat with just Superman's invulnerability, heat vision and strength (he's about 20-feet tall with spikes after all!).
Batman killing. Story-wise, this works. As there is an arc to it. This Batman has been broken by the world. Lost everyone he cares about (a Robin suit is enshrined in the Batcave to honor a fallen partner) and has become almost Punisher-style brutal. While we don't see him out-and-out murder, the explosions of vehicles during chase scenes leave little to the imagination. By the end of the arc, however, Batman is inspired by Superman. And his final scene with Luthor gives us the impression that he is done with that brand of justice and will move more toward the light.
Visions. These were great. For a comics fan. Jarring if you aren't. Luckily, "Justice League" is only a year and a half away, so we will have answers sooner than later. But the appearance of the Flash and the "Knightmare" sequence might have seemed out of place and confusing to the uninitiated.[/BLACKOUT]
The music by Hans Zimmer and Junkie XL booms and shakes us when the Bat is near and uplifts us as the Last Son of Krypton takes flight. And the Princess of Themyscira gets a killer electric guitar riff that might as well be the new anthem for girl power.
The effects are all first rate. Never have these characters looked better and the title matchup is a treat to the eyes.
It also has to be said that the first 10 minutes of this film could be lifted and submitted as a short film and be Oscar-worthy. Snyder shoots the opening credits in a way that is truly haunting and beautiful.
That brings us back to the word "iconic." Which is the word I'll leave you with. That's what these images are. That's what these heroes deserved. And, by and large, that is what Zack Snyder and his team have delivered.
Just returned from the theater. Every bit as disappointing as I feared it would be. I'd maybe give it a 5/10. I can't decide if this is worse than Man of Steel or not. Not the worst superhero movie we've ever seen but it's definitely not good. I think it had a competent story, but just like it's predecessor it did absolute jack to make me care about any character. I can't believe a movie of this scale got made and no one said, "hey, maybe give these scenes some room to breathe. Maybe cut down on this, take out that subplot, and let the audience really sit with this character for a bit".
I think I would have been more forgiving with the film if not for
Superman's death. Even after two movies he's still not a 3 dimensional character. His death meant nothing. People give Marvel crap for death meaning nothing in their films, but it's never been this empty. Like we all don't know Superman is going to return for the JL? The entire movie was a two hour JL tease. Completely meaningless.
A few months back when the death was floating around as a rumor/fan speculation I said, "no way. There's absolutely no way they are dumb enough to do that".
Well... I was wrong.
Doomsday was also particularly awful, the less said about that the better.
I've also come to realize that I just do not like Lois Lane in any capacity. Both the writing and the performance are stilted and unconvincing. The DCEU drinking game should either be "take a shot every time there's a heavy-handed reference to how tough she is" or "take a shot every time she magically appears where she needs to be".
One thing I will compliment that strangely worked for me... the humor. There weren't a ton of jokes but most of them landed.
Lex with the jolly ranchers, the girl flippantly telling Perry, "I don't know", the "I thought she was with you" line.
I genuinely thought they worked and my audience agreed.
It shows that there is a competency to the writing and moments that work, brief glimpses of a better movie. There are big ideas here but Snyder doesn't know how to hone in and explore any in an adequate fashion. He doesn't understand subtlety, sophistication, or even story-telling if I'm being honest. After seeing this I can confidently say I'm not excited to see his JL. Even the action in this felt disappointing. If everything is going to continue to look like a really expensive video game, I'll pass. I have no problem with CGI, I just want it to look decent. I'm seeing this tomorrow in 2D (silly me bought two tickets... you win this time, WB) so maybe that will help improve the experience but at the moment, yeah, I'm disappointed. I really think those praising this now are going to lose those rose-colored lenses eventually once they sober up from the excitement. Seeing Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman fighting along side each other as well as Flash and Aquaman (the latter potentially being my favorite part of the movie) was undoubtedly exciting but they deserved so much more than this.
Absolute trainwreck from beginning to end. Straight up: this is not a movie. It is a series of loosely connected scenes of people talking to each other with ridiculous lines of dialogue that somehow lead to an underwhelming fight sequence with random sprinkles of DC comics lore.
Also: the praise Ben Affleck has received for his "performance" is largely undeserved and mostly comes from the fact that by comparison to the rest of the mess he's mostly "meh".
The real truth though is that the stars of this POS aren't really used as actors, but as action figures. None of them are given any meaningful characterization or development in anyway and are all basically entirely driven by the whims of the plot.
RIP DC cinematic universe. You were never allowed to live.
I believe all the spoilers are tagged, if anything isn't, let me know and I'll correct it.
This was the film equivalent of what the 90s era of comics is known for. Wanting desperately to be The Dark Knight Returns/Year One/The Dark Knight Trilogy, but not understand what made that material work and instead substituting bleakness for maturity while screaming how it's really grown up. Doesn't help it's directed by the curious cross between a 13 year old's maturity and the pretentiousness of an art school brat.
The film is a structural mess, with no sense of pacing. The first hour or so is a series of various scenes occurring with little to connect them and all feeling so fleeting that you never quite get a full sense of what's going on. It often feels like you see half of a scene, jump to another scene, then jump back for the other half. The editing has an over-reliance on cutting to black to transition scenes. Cutting to black can be an effective way to punctuate a scene, but when it's doing it so often for scenes that do not require that, it has no power and just becomes grating. You can see the seams where they cut stuff everywhere. The first half barely has any action, which is fine, I'm here for characters and story first and foremost, but it has nothing of weight to say that I keep waiting for them to get to an action scene so at least something pretty happens. And then the last act of the film is ALL action. Three major action sequences, back to back, with no break. It's relentless, exhausting and unbelievably boring. It also treats the audience like they're stupid, flashing back to things (minor spoilers)
such as the death of Martha and Thomas after showing it in the opening
that occurred earlier in the film that don't add anything to the scene they're shown in. And to top it all off, the film has more endings than Return of the King. It never ends.
The characters are a mixed bag. Superman feels like a non-entity, going and doing what the plot requires but rarely feeling like an active agent in anything. His very introduction strikes down what could have come as a result of the end of Man of Steel. Cavill does a passable job in the part, he's charismatic enough, but there's nothing for him to really sink his teeth into here and show off any acting chops. Affleck gives the second best Punisher performance I've seen all month. This Batman isn't much of a hero, he's the bizarre lovechild of Flashpoint Thomas Wayne, All-Star Batman and the Punisher. And while that could be an arc for the character, the film doesn't really give him an arc. No one has an arc. He's (minor spoilers)
branding people, which a news story says is a death sentence once people get into prison, and unnecessarily kills thugs. Now, if the situation is desperate enough and there are no ways out, I can live with him killing someone or a few people when it's a last resort. But here it was just unnecessary, as he's flying around in the Batwing (or whatever this universe's version is called) and thugs start shooting at him from the ground. There had to have been a smarter way to resolve the situation than just shooting them with machine guns and blowing them up.
MAJOR SPOILERS:
Batman suddenly gives up fighting Superman when he finds out his mother was named Martha as well, and then later says he failed Superman while he was alive after Doomsday kills him.
But there's no arc to him getting to this point. Just a sudden character shift between scenes.
One of the film's biggest problems is the LACK of Batman vs Superman. Yeah, they fight (and it's underwhelming), but the film brushes over a mature dissection of their differences and similarities and the potential moral conflict that could arise between them. Prior to the big fight, the two only share two scenes together: the party scene from the trailers, and the "bat is dead" clip we've seen. That's it. Superman thinks Batman tramples on civil liberties, Batman thinks Superman could destroy the world if he wanted to. That's the most we get. There's no depth or substance to their conflict, and the circumstances leading up to their fight are contrived, nonsensical and overly simplify what could have been an interesting dynamic. In the end, they share 4 scenes together in total and there's not as big a difference between their methods as there could be. It's not day vs night as the film states, it's night vs slightly later night.
Lex Luthor is one of the worst comic book movie villains in recent years. Eisenberg plays him like Carrey's Riddler and is far too over the top and manic. There's one scene where it feels like they had a dozen line variations and wanted to see which sounded best, but decided "**** it, USE ALL OF THEM!" and it just goes on unnecessarily for far too long. And his final scene could have been wonderful. The actor he's playing off of is playing this as a great, dramatic scene, however Eisenberg is impossible to take seriously. He's comical.
The cast beyond those two is one of the film's stronger points. Gal Gadot does a solid job as Wonder Woman in her extremely minor role. It's nothing amazing, but I doubt any actress could have done amazing things with how thin her role was and it shows a lot of potential for her solo film. Her inclusion in the climax was the one time I enjoyed myself in that whole fight.That being said, her entire role could have been excluded with no consequences on the film. Her role should have been actually tied to the film, perhaps appearing more as a midpoint between Batman and Superman's methods. Of course, that require any analysis of their methods at all. Amy Adams does her best but she's given nothing to do and her role is a massive step backwards from where the character should be progressing,
constantly in need of saving.
The relationship between her and Clark is bleh. They have chemistry, but it feels unearned. Clark just talks about how she is his world, and while I'm fine with this in theory, we don't see WHY that is.
Holly Hunter turns in one of the best performances of the film and I feel is likely to get overlooked. She was perfect. Alfred is also a delight in his small role, I look forward to seeing more of Irons in the role in the inevitable Batfleck movie. Tao Okamoto is completely wasted. I'm not sure she even has a line... Martha was without a doubt my favourite character in Man of Steel and I thought Diane Lane did a great job bringing a lot of warmth to the part. Here, she's not even mention for like an hour, then appears for the pep talk from the trailers, then (major spoilers)
is kidnapped, saved and that's the end of her role.
A complete waste.
The plot is a series of contrivances loosely strung together and no point is that more evident than the setup for the titular fight. Spoilers.
Lex Luthor kidnaps Lois and Martha and then forces Superman to fight Batman because...reasons. I'm not sure why it has to be Batman at all. It just...is. There had to be more efficient ways to do this without massive gaping problems. The fight then hinges on Superman not being able to say a single sentence and ends when Bruce realizes they both have mothers named Martha.
The sequence also demonstrates a case of the cuts being obvious. When Superman lands at the fight, he calls Batman by "Bruce." But at no point are we shown him figuring it out. There is a point where he could start to connect the dots, but it just kinda leaps to it. And on top of that, scenes prior say that Superman/Clark has disappeared. But there's no reason for him to have disappeared. He just isn't there for a few scenes. If they didn't mention that he had disappeared, I would have just thought he wasn't around at the moment, as they show him in the arctic (presumably) talking to a hallucination of his dad. He's Superman, he could fly there and be back before dinnertime. It doesn't even tie into anything, cut out all the references to him being gone and then Lois later saying he came back and nothing at all would change.
Even the sequence of the deaths of Martha and Thomas don't work. It's really overdone, despite the beautiful piece of music playing over it. I liked the Man of Steel score more, but this score was quite good too. This piece though was easily the standout.
The Justice League tie ins are horrible and intrusive. They come out of nowhere, add nothing and disrupt the flow of the film.
Several scenes (poorly) build up the titular fight, Batman's already in place and it's going to begin soon. Then suddenly, Wonder Woman gets an email from Bruce (how? He's AT THE FIGHT LOCATION WHEN IT'S SENT! Did he have his smart phone on him and just was dying to send this?) with videos from LexCorp files showing Flash in action, Aquaman doing stuff and Cyborg's origin. Then the fight happens. It doesn't flow properly.
There's also the Knightmare sequence, and though not a tie in to Justice League, a hallucination Bruce has at his mother's grave. Both come out of nowhere, and the latter tells us nothing about the character whatsoever that we didn't already know. If something like that doesn't inform us of something that hasn't already been demonstrated, it doesn't need to be there. But back to the Knightmare sequence. It adds nothing to the overall film whatsoever, it just suddenly appears and then disappears again with only a brief mention from Bruce to Diana at the very end of the film. It didn't need to be there at all. I kiiiinda liked Flash's cameo, but again, it added nothing at all. This entire sequence could have been cut and the film would have only been better off for it.
This film is such a drag. It's much longer than it warrants and doesn't have the content to fill out it's runtime. Despite being as long as The Dark Knight, everything feels undercooked and like it needed more time. If I had a watch, I would have been checking it the whole time. As is typical of a Zack Snyder film, it talks of grand ideas but never actually does anything with them. It learned all the wrong lessons from The Dark Knight Trilogy, weakens the best aspects of Man of Steel, ups the worst elements and tosses in the worst parts of The Amazing Spider-man 2. My only hope is that this leads Snyder to not do Justice League too. If he directs that film, I will not see it in theaters short of it getting overwhelming praise. 5/10.
Well my reaction is pretty much no different that others I've read here.
I don't even know where to begin, but let me start by saying this is NOT better than Man of Steel. Man of Steel is watchable, where this is in no way shape or form watchable. The last 45min or so are the only halfway decent scenes in the film and even they are rife with problems.
The biggest problem is that I just don't buy at all Bruce's motivations for going after Superman. Lex is supposed to be this big time puppet master manipulating everything, and half the time you can't even understand what the hell he's saying, let alone follow all the ridiculous plots within subplots. I don't know what they were trying to go for with Eisenberg's Lex, but let's just say, this is the worst interpretation of the character I've seen.
The second problem here is that nothing is earned in this movie. The whole love story with Lois and Clark is never explored, other than implied sex in a bathtub that happens in the first 20 min of the film and can be seen in one of the trailers. What's sad is that some of the scenes with Cavil and Adams are actually pretty good and better than what's in MoS, but they're just too spread out, and intercut with other scenes that have no place in the film and make it a total mess.
There was no need to have every side show character from man of Steel in this movie, especially if all your going to do is have Lawrence Fishburn run around and say "Is Clark back yet?"
I had better not hear one complaint from people who liked this film about Iron Man 2 or Age of Ultron being used as vehicles to promote future movies, because those two movies have NOTHING on this one. In fact congrats to BvS on the most whacked out nonsensicle out of the friggin left field cameos I've ever seen in any movie anywhere that literally made me say WTF was that? That whole scene that ends in a stupid cameo could have been cut from this film and no one would have been the wiser. I mean hey as confused as people got with the Thor cave seen from Ultron, that scene was crystal clear compared to this one.
There are bits (and I mean bits) of things that are good, and the ending fight scene is actually visually pretty interesting. I actually liked the concept of Gotham being right Next to Metropolis, kind of in a New York City vs Newark NJ type setup. I don't know if that's ever been conceptualized before, but I thought it was pretty neat and actually made a good visual for the final battle. I actually like the cast, but they are never given a moment to shine. The majority of the screen time goes to Bruce, when the focus should be on Clark and Lois. I actually liked Affleck's performance, and I liked Jeremy Irons as Alfred. But the good stuff is just overwhelmed by the bad that it's hard to make any sense out of it.
Now for the spoiler stuff:
1.) HOW MANY FREAKING TIMES ARE WE GOING TO SEE BRUCE WAYNE'S PARENTS GET SHOT????!!! Seriously I lost count. We get it, his parents are dead and he fell in a bat cave. And being levitated out of the bat cave by the bats, who the hell came up with that idea?
2.) What the hell was that scene with Kevin Costner all about? Where was clark going walking? Was that a flashback to MoS time frame when he was heading to look for the mothership up north?
3.) The guy without legs being a suicide bomber made no sense what-so-ever. The guy lost his legs in the Superman/Zod fight, Bruce Wayne is paying him compensation which he returns, and when Lex sees him deface the monument, he is able to convince him to become a suicide bomer??? Who writes this ****?
4.) Some of the stuff in the ending battle is so cringeworthy. "You're going to allow them to kill Martha" Seriously, as if Clark would assume that his adopted mother and Bruce are on a first name basis. Not "they're going to kill my mother", they're going to kill "Martha", because Oh wow! What a coinky-dink! Your dead mother has the same name as my adopted one!
Also Lois throwing the kryptonite spear away, only to realize a few minutes later that she needs to jump in the water and retrieve it.
I could go on, but there is just so much wrong here.
DC fans deserve better than this. Seriously this is one of the worst superhero movies of this decade.
For those confused by that ever dropping RT rating, let me just explain this to you. Batman and Robin is a horrible movie, but it's still watchable. It's corny as hell but there is at least a coherent story line being presented, and the film editing follows the story line. This film is terrible not because it has a horrible script and it looks like the film was edited by a two year old with a razor blade.
So for those saying, "it's not as bad as Green Lantern", oh I beg to differ, it's as bad, it's just bad in an entirely different way.
The most I could give this film is a 5/10, but it really doesn't even deserve that. This is a 3/10 film, and it kills me to say that, because this should have been so much better, especially with the time they had to work on it.
Was anybody else really uncomfortable with how the death of the Wayne's was portrayed? People have already talked about the implications of how Thomas reacts...but I'm talking more with how it was shot.
Seriously...this is supposed to be the most defining and tragic moment in one of our heroes lives...but the whole thing felt so incredibly self indulgent that it really put me off.
This was possibly the most disappointed I've ever been with a film. My expectations had been vastly lowered, and I was still let down. I can't believe I actually liked MoS better than this. I'm not the best at writing reviews, so I'll just give the good, the "ok", and the ugly.
The Good-
-Ben Affleck as Bruce/Batman (except for the whole[BLACKOUT] killer thing[/BLACKOUT])
-The costumes of the big 3 heroes
-Fight scenes were interesting enough visually, even if I wasn't invested in them at all emotionally.
-Fantastic scene of Batman beating up criminals
"Ok"- Wonder Woman was fine. I enjoyed seeing her in the final battle but she was received no characer development, and really didn't have any character at all. If I didn't already know about WW, I would think she was completely random.
-Doomsday looked fine
The Ugly-
-Lex Luthor. Horrible portrayal. Felt like he was from a different movie, to me. Every time he was on screen my mouth was just open from sheer amazement at how out of place he felt.
-There were a LOT of awkward as heck lines and line deliveries.
-Batman [BLACKOUT]straight up kills people[/BLACKOUT]
- The editing, especially in the first hour or so, was very poor. Many scenes felt out of place. I felt like the movie was jumping back and forth between scenes that were totally unrelated. The flow was way off, in my opinion. Also, I felt that many of the scenes lacked the proper transitions, especially that "dream sequence/vision".
- The Justice League teases were INCREDIBLY heavy-handed. [BLACKOUT]I mean are you serious?! A folder containing sub-folders for each JL member, with their own logos as the folder covers?! How does that make any sense. Why would Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg, and Wonder Woman have "superhero" logos at this time. Totally silly.[/BLACKOUT]
-What should have been the most epic part of the movie (the trinity finally coming together), felt completely unearned and I just felt empty. I smiled because I love the comic characters, not because I had any investment in these movie characters. There was no magical spark there. No wonder.
- The ending wasn't earned at all. I'll save my full thoughts about that for another thread, but I felt completely hollow during the whole ending.
This movie really hit me hard. I loved almost nothing about it, and it really really hurts me to say that.
4.5/10
Richard Roeper gave a great thumbnail reaction review and also rates the movie. He really liked it and (get this)... HE EVEN PRAISED SNYDER!!! Vids 2:35...
This movie kinda reminds me of how people BS stuff on their papers in high school. The first half of the film seems like a lot of BS'ing. Disjointed scenes, heavy-handed dialogue and little sense of flow. 3/10
Diana was nice. (Even though she had just about as many lines as Anderson Cooper) Batman's one fight scene was nice. The movie honestly didn't seem very long to me. It flew by, relatively speaking. But did a lot really happen in the film? No. Not a lot happened. The films skip a lot of the secret identity stuff, which is a believable logic leap to a certain extent. Superman has X-Ray vision. Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. But the lack of any sort of interactions between certain characters leads to a unbelievable resolutions.
Jesse was fine for this iteration of Lex to a certain degree. They didn't differentiate his public and private personas well enough though. They seemed to be glazed over and the dialogue they fed him was so hammy.
The cameos were forced. The dream sequences were overdone. Not everyone knows the Flash and even more so if he's armored, shielded in light, muffled dialogue, using the speed force etc.
Adams and Cavill have no chemistry whatsoever. The Senate Hearing subplot went nowhere other than to just reaffirm again what we already know, Superman is dangerous. But why do we need an entire subplot if we can just have Neil Degrasse Tyson or Charlie Rose tell us in artificial news clips? They can express those fictional concerns without having to create an entire character for them with throwaway lines. It just seems like an unnecessary thing to kick Clark down even further.
I'm not even going to go into certain characterizations of characters like Clark and Bruce. Snyder realizes the visual cinematic Batman well, fight scenes/gadgets/Batcave and all. Minus the obsessive amount of gun using however, he kinda neglects Bruce as a character. Bruce basically has his hysteria regarding Superman in the beginning, then just has random flash backs and the Knightmare sequence. His desire for a preemptive attack on Superman seems unsupported since's he's just kinda mopey and they hardly interact as Bruce/Clark or Batman/Superman.
That a subpar movie aside, this does kinda setup JL pretty well. Probably won't tank the universe as some people fear, esp if SS and WW deliver. Superman might be tanked though after this outside of team up movies though. Batman can just latch on the SS universe with his villains.
Saw this movie last night,having slept on it il give it a 6/10. Everyone here has touched or echoed my sentiments. When the lights came back on in my cinema, i felt so conflicted with this movie that i had to sit for a while to try digest what a trainwreck it was. My friends liked it but even they were taken back how muddled everything was. The cast was great,no problems with Jessie i liked his take on Lex,Affleck killed it as the dark knight and Cavill was solid(should of had better material to work with though) That editing though,seriously wtf were they thinking. Really wanted to like it but some of the elements and decisions they took were a big fail. Synder man, im dissapointed with your execution on this film, i actually enjoyed MOS but bloody hell were you out of your depth on this film.
Loved it. 9/10. Judging by days of responses like the ones above, my expectations were tempered and I am quite pleased I walked out of this thing happy as a lark. I was in tune with the entire flick and the story really engaged me from beginning to end. I loved Man of Steel, but some parts left me with headaches and ill feelings. I couldn't follow some parts without wanting to vomit. BvS viewed smoother and more detailed to me. I really enjoyed it and so did my wife (which was HUGE and surprising) and my group.
Saw this movie last night,having slept on it il give it a 6/10. Everyone here has touched or echoed my sentiments. When the lights came back on in my cinema, i felt so conflicted with this movie that i had to sit for a while to try digest what a trainwreck it was. My friends liked it but even they were taken back how muddled everything was. The cast was great,no problems with Jessie i liked his take on Lex,Affleck killed it as the dark knight and Cavill was solid(should of had better material to work with though) That editing though,seriously wtf were they thinking. Really wanted to like it but some of the elements and decisions they took were a big fail. Synder man, im dissapointed with your execution on this film, i actually enjoyed MOS but bloody hell were you out of your depth on this film.
Yeah I feel pretty much the same. I'm going to see it again just to see if it was just a bad first impression. I think there were some good moments in the film but they just didn't fit together properly. I liked the lifts from dark knight returns, but overall it was underwhelming. Good performances by the leads but in a poorly executed story. Can't believe Snyder didn't do a good job with the action sequences. Ugh.
I like the movie...... it wasn't perfect (and I kinda agree with the critics in that it looked disjointed with jumping from one scene to another), but it will rake in the $$$.
That's all it matters now.
For the subsequent movies, I hope they get a new writer in (David Goyer has to go...... only Nolan can make awesome movies out of Goyer's writing).
Did anyone else feel that only the first act felt disjointed? I mean, aside from the opening montage and the Metropolis sequence, I feel the ultimate cut will fix that, but when it gets to the senate hearing, I felt the film really found itself and it was really focused from then on.
Did anyone else feel that only the first act felt disjointed? I mean, aside from the opening montage and the Metropolis sequence, I feel the ultimate cut will fix that, but when it gets to the senate hearing, I felt the film really found itself and it was really focused from then on.
Well, i haven't been wrong about anyone i said would not like the movie. I was reading people's posts before they even watched the movie and they had already decided.
Same can be said about the droves of people tirelessly defending it before seeing it then coming back and raving about it like its the greatest most sophisticated most mature movie ever. Except a good half of those actually come back saying they didn't like it. Guess predisposed bias only goes so far for so many people
Well, i haven't been wrong about anyone i said would not like the movie. I was reading people's posts before they even watched the movie and they had already decided.
Two can play this game. I guessed you'd go into it knowing you'd like it. Have I been proven right?
If you have I think you'll agree that it's an undeniably problematic movie from start to finish. Snyder took everything he's ever been criticized for and cranked it up to 11 with disastrous results. I didn't go into it with my arms crossed ready to be disappointed, unlike what you're accusing people of.
My expectations have been lowered but im still looking forward to seeing it a couple of times tomorrow
Thanks everyone for their honest reviews positive and negative
Same can be said about the droves of people tirelessly defending it before seeing it then coming back and raving about it like its the greatest most sophisticated most mature movie ever. Except a good half of those actually come back saying they didn't like it. Guess predisposed bias only goes so far for so many people
No, i don't think you're right at all. I, for once, have been criticizing the movie quite a bit, and i always was optimistic about it. Yeah, i was able to have good time. It's Batman and Superman and i didn't go in affected by the critic's opinions. But it is very weak on many aspects. And i have seen more people who defended the movie claiming they didn't enjoy it very much. But boy, every single one of you that two days ago were bad mouthing the movie and Zack Snyder, certainly didn't like it, as i predicted. I'm 100% sure a lot of people couldn't even have a decent time because they were 100% focused on finding the said flaws in the movie so they could complain about them later. Let's be honest: There are many people around here who really didn't want this movie to be as good as successful as the Marvel flicks. You know i'm right. People do have agendas and they do decide these things before they watch the movie. It's as simple as that.
Btw, i admire your endurance. I'm pretty sure 1 year from now you will still be here arguing with people who liked the movie. It's like you can't sleep knowing that a lot of people didn't saw in it the same flaws you did and were actually able to enjoy it. I bet you wake up in the middle of the night like this:
"WHO?? WHO?? WHO LIKED IT???"
I really admire that in you. I'm not a huge fan of Marvel flicks but you won't find me spending hours in the Marvel section trying to convince people that what they like is not good and that they are delusional for not accepting what critics say.
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Vids 2:35...
