BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 1

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Saw it last night. Terrible, just terrible. By no means the worst CBM ever made and no it's not Fant4stic bad but it's just a step or two above that crap which still is horrible.

4/10

It's telling the the poll(not the closed one on this thread) in this forum(which is the friendliest, most 'biased in favor of the film' place for this movie that there is) with over a hundred votes still only has an avg rating of 6.74/10. THAT should tell you that this is really bad. It's around GL bad but for obviously different reasons.

Between this and MoS? MoS was a better movie...and I'm someone who very much did not like MoS.
 
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With my fan hat on I give this a 9/10, I like that it took risks and that they did what they did. It does feel like a direct visual adaptation of a graphic novel in terms of its narrative and scene execution. If I take the fan hat off though, it's convoluted and poorly constructed despite having isolated moments that are great and very memorable and I'd probably give it a 6/10.
 
9/10. I loved every scene. The 1 point drop off is because the pacing in the first hour or so is horrendous. It's all choppy.

But the last hour and a half I had a huge smile on my face. And the audience I was with gave a round of applause at the end.im not alone.
 
It's telling the the poll(not the closed one on this thread) in this forum(which is the friendliest, most 'biased in favor of the film' place for this movie that there is) with over a hundred votes still only has an avg rating of 6.74/10. THAT should tell you that this is really bad. It's around GL bad but for obviously different reasons.

It's also not a good sign when a "Positivity" thread pops up on the day of the films release.

What I always love about SHH reviews is that people will describe aspects of films with "terrible", "awful", "horrendous"...I give it a 9/10 :huh:
 
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This film was a big middle finger to people who b*tch about MOS. This was Snyder saying: "Ok A-holes, this is my movie, my vision, i will do whatever i feel like doing. You don't get to write my movie".

Which is probably why I loved it, as I loved MOS.

The first Twitter reaction I saw was "if you liked MOS you'll like this movie. If not, you'll hate it". So I knew I was in.

I understand some people want a jollier Supes and give it 6/10 or so. But 33% RT? Give me a break.
 
I do agree that the RT score is lower than the movie deserves. I feel like it should be around 55-60%. But I also felt like MOS should have been a lot higher (at least 70-80%).
 
Which is probably why I loved it, as I loved MOS.

The first Twitter reaction I saw was "if you liked MOS you'll like this movie. If not, you'll hate it". So I knew I was in.

I understand some people want a jollier Supes and give it 6/10 or so. But 33% RT? Give me a break.

Regardless of the quality of the movie, it is refreshing to see a movie that represents the vision of a couple of artists instead of a studio blueprint. You can see that some of the decisions in both movies are not usual in big studio flicks.
 
The film gets a 6/10 for me. It wasn't horrible, just horribly executed in my opinion. Zack Snyder had all the ingredients to make a great lasagna but just dumped everything in the pan and served it to us as is. But I'm thinking (ironically) the movie being cut down is what's hurting it. Cause the editing is all over the place and its also just drawn out for no reason. I am glad that all of the actors delivered which made up for the plot. Al lthe reviews I read were accurate, it was just way too much going on, and that's fine but it could have been executed better, is all I'm saying.

Pros:

Ben Affleck as Bruce/Batman
Wonder Woman showing up
Jesse Eisenberg (loved him in the movie but I'm really not understanding DC's obsession with the Gene Hackman Lex Luthor. At all)
The set up for what's to come

Cons:

The way the story was drawn out
The story was just all over the place [blackout]that scene with Bruce at his screen and that guy just showing up asking for help or whatever? Was that a New God? Orion or someone? Or did I miss something?[/blackout]
I don't even remember what Wonder Woman was doing there
[blackout]Hated that Batman killed people cause it just goes against everything his character is about but whatever, Ben still kicked ass[/blackout]
Didn't like the reveals for the other JL members. That could have been done WAY better
The fact that the movie was basically "Batman featuring Superman" or "Batman kinda versus Superman"

EDIT: OOOOH ok I know who the [blackout]guy that showed up to Bruce in that dream(?) was, I just looked it up and it said it was Barry Allen time traveling -___- [/blackout]
 
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This movie can be salvaged and redeemed. I highly suggest that WB recut it, brighten it up a bit and put it out on blu-ray ASAP! Also, If I remember correctly, last year someone said that WB was thinking about breaking the movie into two parts. Enter the Knight (Batman) and Dawn of Justice (A little batman and more emphasis on superman and the justice league) They should have done that!
 
Me ethier but unfurtunately its the cool thing right now to hate this movie without real examples other then it was a mess

What? Have you not read the reviews? Yes a few reviews didn't give much thoughts on why they hated, but there have been several that broke down specific reasons why they disliked the film.

I think everyone here wanted to like/love the film.
 
Just saw it!

I'm really enjoyed it! The action at the last was very good!
My favorite part of the movie is the first 10 minutes where the climax of Man of Steel has been replayed through the eyes of Bruce Wayne.

And I like Wonder Woman too
She is a scene stealer in the final battle

7 / 10

Nevertheless, I think the tone is too dark and serious...
I as a fan of American comic book superheroes might be not too bothered by it, but I think this type of tone will not be at harmony with mainstream audience in my country.
 
This movie can be salvaged and redeemed. I highly suggest that WB recut it, brighten it up a bit and put it out on blu-ray ASAP! Also, If I remember correctly, last year someone said that WB was thinking about breaking the movie into two parts. Enter the Knight (Batman) and Dawn of Justice (A little batman and more emphasis on superman and the justice league) They should have done that!

You do know there's (as Zack refers to it) an ultimate cut with 30 extra minutes on Blu Ray?
 
I seen it for a second time yesterday and while I ultimately still enjoyed it, it doesn't hold up as well. There are definitely interesting ideas and themes here, but not executed particularly well.
 
The film gets a 6/10 for me. It wasn't horrible, just horribly executed in my opinion. Zack Snyder had all the ingredients to make a great lasagna but just dumped everything in the pan and served it to us as is. But I'm thinking (ironically) the movie being cut down is what's hurting it. Cause the editing is all over the place and its also just drawn out for no reason. I am glad that all of the actors delivered which made up for the plot. Al lthe reviews I read were accurate, it was just way too much going on, and that's fine but it could have been executed better, is all I'm saying.

Pros:

Ben Affleck as Bruce/Batman
Wonder Woman showing up
Jesse Eisenberg (loved him in the movie but I'm really not understanding DC's obsession with the Gene Hackman Lex Luthor. At all)
The set up for what's to come

Cons:

The way the story was drawn out
The story was just all over the place [blackout]that scene with Bruce at his screen and that guy just showing up asking for help or whatever? Was that a New God? Orion or someone? Or did I miss something?[/blackout]
I don't even remember what Wonder Woman was doing there
[blackout]Hated that Batman killed people cause it just goes against everything his character is about but whatever, Ben still kicked ass[/blackout]
Didn't like the reveals for the other JL members. That could have been done WAY better
The fact that the movie was basically "Batman featuring Superman" or "Batman kinda versus Superman"

EDIT: OOOOH ok I know who the [blackout]guy that showed up to Bruce in that dream(?) was, I just looked it up and it said it was Barry Allen time traveling -___- [/blackout]

The guy who showed up warning Batman at the end of the Knightmare sequence was the Flash (Ezra Miller). I honestly don't think I would have realized that though if I hadn't read that the sequence had something to do with the Flash warning Batman. That whole thing should have been left on the cutting room floor. It was so random and if it confused comic book fans like you and me, I can't imagine how the GA will react to it.
 
The Sum of All Fears?

Let me say that I wish I had gone into Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice unaware of the RT score and all the bad reviews. Although I didn't read any of them to avoid spoilers, I can't deny that I walked into the film yesterday expecting to find a lot of problems. Maybe if I hadn't seen it in that frame of mind, I would have wholeheartedly enjoyed it. I honestly don't know. But it's a bit like trying to find a completely impartial jury for a heavily publicized court case; unless you're living in a bubble, you're already at least somewhat aware of the situation.

That said, did I like the film? I would say... I enjoyed it, and maybe even liked it, but I definitely didn't love it. The first act is a mess, but it eventually evens out and becomes enjoyable. But I think it's a problem that I didn't love it. Because shouldn't I? For all its problems, I loved Man of Steel. Superman and Batman are my favorite superheroes, and Lex Luthor is my favorite supervillain. Lois Lane is the best superhero love interest. Wonder Woman is awesome and a feminist icon. Hell, I joined this forum in 2002 (as That-Guy back then) because a Batman vs. Superman film was announced and I spent a lot of time back then making joke posts about what the movie would be like if [INSERT DIRECTOR HERE] made the film.

But now we finally have our BvS movie and... it feels like a missed opportunity. I feel like there are some great scenes here that really work and they belong in a less convoluted movie. There are great actors giving great performances, yet it's hard to feel invested in them because there's so much going on. And yet, despite the fact that the movie seems to have 10 different subplots, the story is actually fairly simple - and I don't mean that as a compliment. [BLACKOUT]Ultimately, Lex's big plan involves getting Batman and Superman to fight each other and then when that doesn't work, he unleashes Doomsday upon Metropolis, in a manner that was (facepalm) similar to what Kevin Spacey's Lex did in Superman Returns - a film I hated. And I just kept thinking to myself, shouldn't this have been better?[/BLACKOUT]

I think the key problem is that this doesn't feel like a team-up/versus movie. It doesn't feel like Batman and Superman occupy the same amount of space. It feels like a Batman movie where Superman is a supporting character. And that pisses me off. I've defended this movie for the past three years because I drank Snyder's Flavor-Aid (I know everyone says Kool-Aid when they make this reference, but I go for accuracy). I believed that Superman was going to be, at the very least, half of the story, sharing the space with Batman like Kirk and Spock did in JJ Abrams' first Star Trek film. That would ahve been great. Instead, they went the route of Bryan Singer's first X-Men film, which I SEE SPIDEY once brilliantly referred to as "Wolverine and his backup dancers." Only the result here is worse because we've seen Batman a lot before and it almost seems unnecessary to force him down our throats this much just because he's the more popular character.

Let me say that all of the performances range from good to great. Ben Affleck is a good Batman. He's not at Bale or Keaton level, but he nails the role for the most part and makes it his own. Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is also very good in my book. I can see why his performance is polarizing for many people, but I actually really liked what he did in the role. His best moments are when his mask of sanity starts to slip and you get glimpses into how f***ed up he really is. Again, I can see why it didn't work for some people, but it worked for me. Irons, Gadot and Fishburne have small roles, but do well in them. And it was great to see Harry Lennix again.

Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, despite being the film's best assets, are criminally underused. These are two actors that were BORN to play their respective characters, and Snyder and Terrio don't seem to know what the hell to do with them. Superman is given such little dialogue that it's difficult to feel for him. I never really got the complaints of a lack of dialogue in MOS, because he spent a lot of that movie by himself. But here, he's interacting with people a lot more, and most of the scenes consist of other characters lecturing him. And I don't blame Cavill for that. He can handle more dialogue; he had a lot more in Man from UNCLE and he did fine with it (and in an American accent, so that's not the problem). It's that Snyder and Terrio don't know what to write for him, probably because they just want to make a Batman movie with other superheroes in the background And as for Amy Adams' Lois... she's in the movie a good bit and she makes the most of it, but it's still not enough. I loved what she did in MOS and here she almost feels like an afterthought.

[BLACKOUT]As for the story... as I said before, the beginning was a jumbled mess. From Affleck's weird voiceovers to young Bruce flying (I know it was a dream sequence but still, WTF) to the Metropolis battle to the scene in Africa... the pacing is so frantic that it's a little hard to follow at times and even harder to become engaged in. The "Knightmare" sequence feels so out of left field it's painful to sit through. It's also never followed up on. I guess the presence of the Omega symbol means that Darkseid shows up and uses the anti-life equation to corrupt Superman or something, but accordingto Ezra Miller's Flash, it's actually because Lois Lane dies and Superman goes nuts or something. I don't know. That whole scene would have probably worked better as a post-credits stinger. Or better yet, leave the whole thing out. I mean, we get our first good look at Batman in costume DURING this sequence, when he's wearing goggles and a leather jacket instead of a cape.

Anyway, after that, the movie does start to find its way. We get to see Bruce doing some good detective work. We get our Justice League tease, which is pretty cool; I especially liked seeing Joe Morton as Victor's father... I had no idea he was in this. The scene with Lex on top of his skyscraper is pretty great. And the Batman/Superman fight is pretty good. One thing that surprised me there was that one of the characters actually "won" the fight; I figured it would end in a draw. But of course, this is a Batman movie first and foremost, so he had to ultimately win.

And then we get the Doomsday sequence. And while it's cool seeing the trinity fight together, ol' Doomsy himself is pretty underwhelming. He looks like a big naked version of that mutant giant thing from 300 at first. Later, he grows some spikes and resembles his comic book counterpart a bit more, but he's still not that impressive. In fact, I think the CGI in that scene we saw in that second BvS trailer is the scene where he looks best. You'll remember that everyone poked fun at the CGI in that scene when that trailer dropped. And then we have our conclusion. While Superman's "you are my world" scene is very well acted and well done, I still couldn't help but feel a little irritated because I knew what was coming. I knew the film was going to end with Superman dying. And while I know he'll come back, it clearly wasn't obvious to the kid I heard crying at the end of the movie a few rows down from me. And you know, that really bothers me because I remember going to see the animated Transformers film when I was a child or so and I can still remember walking out of the movie crying because Optimus Prime died. Ending a film like this on such a downer is a misstep, thought I suppose by the end, Snyder has made so many other missteps that it doesn't matter.

I've heard people say that Snyder wants to be Chris Nolan. Perhaps. But I think he actually wants to be Peter Jackson. The way Superman's death plays out, it feels more like an attempt to emulate the (apparent) death of Gandalf in The Fellowship of the Ring. Yet Snyder doesn't have a clue as to why that scene was so emotional. Instead of LOTR Peter Jackson, we get Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies Peter Jackson, in which story and character are sacrificed for shoddy (yet still expensive) CGI. Cavill is as much Superman as McKellan was Gandalf, but Snyder didn't know how to utilize him. He thinks that just giving us a quick montage of Superman saving people interspersed with a bunch of cameos will do the trick and it won't. Instead of just a quick scene of Superman appearing and saving fire or flood victims, why not expand on it a bit and have him interact with them a bit, telling them that it's alright, that they're safe now. Give Cavill some material to work with so his sacrifice at the end feels more emotional. Or better yet, don't kill him at all and end the movie on a positive note, with our three heroes agreeing to find the others like them.[/BLACKOUT]

So yeah. If you're still reading this, thank you for indulging me. I had to get all of that out. I wanted to love this movie. I really, REALLY did. And I owe a lot of people around here an apology for aggressively defending it the past three years. Maybe this is the movie I deserve, but it sure as hell wasn't the one I needed right now (sorry, couldn't resist). As for Justice League... I hope they do get George Miller to direct. I've had my reserves about that because he said in an interview that he finds Superman boring. But perhaps that would make him strive to develop the character and make him more interesting. [BLACKOUT]Or maybe Superman will just stay f***ing dead until the last 20 minutes of the movie, as apparently WB doesn't know or care what to do with the character and is content to waste Cavill.[/BLACKOUT] I don't know. All I know is that I wanted this movie to really excite me for the future of the DCEU, and right now, I'm not. I'm bummed out.

6/10


My apologies for quoting myself here but I put this review up and then it was immediately subjected to Death by New Thread Page. Just wanted to see if anyone else had the same thoughts that I did on the movie overall.
 
Now I finally understand all those "I don't know how to feel" initial reactions.

This is too tough a movie to put a score on. It's like I feel it's a 10/10 and a 1/10 at the same time. The movie both exceeded my expectations on some levels, but surprisingly fell short on others.

Even if the execution was off, I still found it much more 'exciting' (in the sense that it demanded my attention) than most other superhero movies. I don't know if it's because of the DC fan in me, the fact that it's these iconic DC characters, or Snyder's direction.

However, a good Batman/Superman movie should have been twice as good, and it's so easy to see where the movie could be better.

I am super jazzed about what's next though.
 
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You do know there's (as Zack refers to it) an ultimate cut with 30 extra minutes on Blu Ray?

This movie doesn't need stuff added to it, if anything it needs stuff taken out. There are way too many scenes in this film that add nothing to the plot but confusion.
 
My apologies for quoting myself here but I put this review up and then it was immediately subjected to Death by New Thread Page. Just wanted to see if anyone else had the same thoughts that I did on the movie overall.

RE: Batman film featuring Superman, I think Superman is heavily if not completely the subject of this movie - but unfortunately doesn't actually appear or engage enough. He's too much of a passive participant, while I'd say the entire story is completely about him. Lex and Bruce are both entirely in this story because of Supes, so he's the common variable that ties everything together, but he's not enough of an agent IMO.

And I imagine if the Knightmare vision has truth to it, some(thing)one else has a distinct interest in Supes as well.
 
The guy who showed up warning Batman at the end of the Knightmare sequence was the Flash (Ezra Miller). I honestly don't think I would have realized that though if I hadn't read that the sequence had something to do with the Flash warning Batman. That whole thing should have been left on the cutting room floor. It was so random and if it confused comic book fans like you and me, I can't imagine how the GA will react to it.

Yeah I had no idea until I read the synopsis on Wikipedia. That whole scene should have been taken out completely.
 
Basically despite being overly long, what's in there still doesn't make sense. Sounds like they should have cut out unnecessary franchise set up stuff and let other scenes flow longer and more naturally.

I can't wait to see the How It Should Have Ended video on this.
 
If you read the synopsis on Wikipedia, the movie sounds great and straight to the point. When you watch the movie, it makes the synopsis on Wikipedia look like it should be a 10 page dissertation with sources cited.
 
9/10. I loved every scene. The 1 point drop off is because the pacing in the first hour or so is horrendous. It's all choppy.

But the last hour and a half I had a huge smile on my face. And the audience I was with gave a round of applause at the end.im not alone.

I feel the exact same. The first hour was kind of slow. But when it picked up, it really picked up.
 
RE: Batman film featuring Superman, I think Superman is heavily if not completely the subject of this movie - but unfortunately doesn't actually appear or engage enough. He's too much of a passive participant, while I'd say the entire story is completely about him. Lex and Bruce are both entirely in this story because of Supes, so he's the common variable that ties everything together, but he's not enough of an agent IMO.

And I imagine if the Knightmare vision has truth to it, some(thing)one else has a distinct interest in Supes as well.

Yeah, I think that was my biggest issue with it. Everyone is talking about and thinking about Superman. But Superman himself feels far too distant from everything going on. His part is basically, "HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY! ...and I'm out."
 
For those who are still claiming Snyder could be taken off the film.

"While doing the press rounds for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Snyder spoke with Yahoo and teased how big the Justice League movie is going to be, plus he also confirmed that the Caped Crusader will indeed be the one who will assemble the team:

“I’m getting ready to start ‘Justice League’ on the 11th of April, so in like two weeks we start shooting,” Synder told Yahoo Movies, “and it’s an intense, awesome, and gigantic undertaking because Bruce [Wayne] is having to go out and sort of ‘Seven Samurai’ the Justice League together, which is fun. It’s slightly monumental, and at the same time they’re starting to grapple with this coming threat.”
 
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