BvS Batman v Superman & The Dark Knight Returns - let's clear something up... [SPOILERS]

[chintai80]

#rubberbullets
#honest
#millerbatmandoesnotkill

 

[The Joker]

Does Miller have a twitter account? Because someone should just ask him.

 

[FunkMiller]

Does Miller have a twitter account? Because someone should just ask him.

Don't say something sensible like that, Joker. It spoils all the fun

 

[Kobra]

Who cares. What's with this obsession? Anyone who says Batman hasn't killed in the comics needs to read them a little more often. He has, several times. Or maybe i'm just confused.

 

[FunkMiller]

Interestingly, I found this quote from a Hollywood Reporter interview with Miller that he's linked to from his Twitter:

"You worked with Darren Aronofsky on a Batman movie project that never got made. What happened there?

It was the first time I worked on a Batman project with somebody whose vision of Batman was darker than mine. My Batman was too nice for him. We would argue about it, and I'd say, "Batman wouldn't do that, he wouldn't torture anybody," and so on."

So never mind the killing, Miller's Batman wouldn't even do the branding!

 

[chintai80]

miller's batman don't torture.
he does leave bad guys possibly paraplegic though.

big difference.

 

[Fincher]

That panel looks to me like Batman shot him in the shoulder. The higher bullet hole doesn't matter because he was firing a machine gun; if that bullet had hit him, there'd be blood surrounding the hole itself.

 

[Tvar10]

it definitely doesnt look like he shot him right between the eyes like Snyder said. I think he either shot him in the shoulder, or close enough to his head that he just freaked out and handed the baby over. The whole graphic novel has so many references of Batman not killing. and how no matter how far off hes gotten he still hasnt killed anyone.

 

[brandeezy89]

it definitely doesnt look like he shot him right between the eyes like Snyder said. I think he either shot him in the shoulder, or close enough to his head that he just freaked out and handed the baby over. The whole graphic novel has so many references of Batman not killing. and how no matter how far off hes gotten he still hasnt killed anyone.

So do the guidebooks and prequel comics attached to this movie

 

[Poni_Boy]

it definitely doesnt look like he shot him right between the eyes like Snyder said. I think he either shot him in the shoulder, or close enough to his head that he just freaked out and handed the baby over. The whole graphic novel has so many references of Batman not killing. and how no matter how far off hes gotten he still hasnt killed anyone.

Exactly. It doesn't make sense to be brought up so much in story if in the same story he does it nonchalantly and it's never referenced. Snyder saw/rememembers one picture and based his inspiration off of that

 

[gdw]

This is exactly why this scene in the book always bugged me.

It's so close to being definitive that he killed the Mutant, but that goes against so much else in the book, and completely diminishes the impact of his struggle over finally killing the Joker, or not.

The splatter on the wall, which you don't see before, seems pretty definitive though.

 

[Tvar10]

So do the guidebooks and prequel comics attached to this movie

Snyder based this scene on the graphic novel..not the prequel comics or guidebook

 

[The Joker]

Interestingly, I found this quote from a Hollywood Reporter interview with Miller that he's linked to from his Twitter:

"You worked with Darren Aronofsky on a Batman movie project that never got made. What happened there?

It was the first time I worked on a Batman project with somebody whose vision of Batman was darker than mine. My Batman was too nice for him. We would argue about it, and I'd say, "Batman wouldn't do that, he wouldn't torture anybody," and so on."

So never mind the killing, Miller's Batman wouldn't even do the branding!

Interesting.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He's referring to the Year One project where Batman was poor and Alfred was black and a mechanic, right?

 

[chintai80]

He's referring to the Year One project where Batman was poor and Alfred was black and a mechanic, right?

yea. that was more taxi driver than batman.
darren aronofsky should stay away from making any dc movies. haha

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Goes to show that 'acclaimed' directors don't mean jack ****. WB needs directors who actually likes these characters.

 

[chintai80]

Goes to show that 'acclaimed' directors don't mean jack ****. WB needs directors who actually likes these characters.

yup, sorry to say. but marvel studios has been getting this right.
wb should know better.

 

[Predator jp]

Singer truly loves Supes...

 

[chintai80]

singer has a ***** for donner superman. not for comic book superman.

snyder has a ***** for the comic book superman. but snyder is into bdsm.

 

[KalMart]

Singer truly loves Supes...

Donner;s Superman, maybe not any comic hero in particular. But I think he did a really good job with the XMen in 1 and 2, even though he wasn't a fan of those comics. He found something about it that appealed to him and 'took to it'. Might not be everyone's favorite version, but an engaging interpretation nonetheless.

That's why I still believe it has to start with the skill of the filmmaker first and foremost, with his actual experience/background in comics being less crucial. He does't have to be a life-long fan to find something to love in them when given the opportunity.

 

[schereZada]

Miller has said he doesn't think Batman should kill. But that panel looked exactly like the mutant had been shot (I don;t know if between the eyes) leaving a huge spatter of blood behind.

Interestingly, I found this quote from a Hollywood Reporter interview with Miller that he's linked to from his Twitter:

"You worked with Darren Aronofsky on a Batman movie project that never got made. What happened there?

It was the first time I worked on a Batman project with somebody whose vision of Batman was darker than mine. My Batman was too nice for him. We would argue about it, and I'd say, "Batman wouldn't do that, he wouldn't torture anybody," and so on."

So never mind the killing, Miller's Batman wouldn't even do the branding!

Spoiler

Miller Batman did mark Luthor's face with a sharp object though. And kind of killed Robin/whatever it was at the end of TDKSB.

 

[Kobra]

I was watching DKR animated movie and as soon as he killed one of the mutants i remembered this thread. I think you can ask the same questions here: "Ohh, he just killed a nobody, why doesn't he kill The Joker". These type of "inconsistencies"(if you wanna call it that) are all over comic books. Comic books are messy as s*** and they often don't make any sense. Comic books, even the good ones, are not exactly a great example of good writing.

 

[KalMart]

Miller has said he doesn't think Batman should kill. But that panel looked exactly like the mutant had been shot (I don;t know if between the eyes) leaving a huge spatter of blood behind.

I was watching DKR animated movie and as soon as he killed one of the mutants i remembered this thread. I think you can ask the same questions here: "Ohh, he just killed a nobody, why doesn't he kill The Joker". These type of "inconsistencies"(if you wanna call it that) are all over comic books. Comic books are messy as s*** and they often don't make any sense. Comic books, even the good ones, are not exactly a great example of good writing.

Didn't Batman kill the Joker in DKR...or try to? At least the (Frank Miller) comic version?

 

[Kobra]

Didn't Batman kill the Joker in DKR? At least the comic version?

I think Joker killed himself. But he definitely kills in DKR.

 

[KalMart]

I think Joker killed himself. But he definitely kills in DKR.

But only because he was stabbing Batman who actually tried to kill Joker by snapping his neck.


Just...didn't do it as well as Superman did in MOS. t: