Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[Godzilla2014]

Why would Batman turn himself into a Kryptonian?

If Batman's going to fight Superman, then he would probably want to level the playing field, such as by fighting fire with fire.

Superman has been morally okay with murder far often then Batman has. Darkseid, Zod and whatnot others have gotten murdered by Superman while Batman has just fatally wounded criminals and god like being Darkseid for others to finish him off.

Darkseid, Zod, et cetera are either gods or Kryptonians. It's near impossible to imprison them other than the Phantom Zone.

Armor that Superman can from a distance just melt away isn't going to help him at all.

Batman would use a specialized armor which Superman's optical heat beams can't melt.

Yeah because a mere Ninja can sneak upon a god like being lol.

I didn't say sneak up on him, I said ambush. Ambush as in surprise attack. For example, lead Superman into a room full of Blue/Green Kryptonite. He got Superman to follow him into the lead-lined Metropolis sewers in Hush, so just add the Kryptonite to that tactic, and the tide turns to Batman's favor.

And why can't Supes just go and stop Batman? He's so fast it's no rush, and he can just torment Bruce by playing with his dead parents corpses for giggles.

Do you just hate Batman?

 

[Drz]

If Batman's going to fight Superman, then he would probably want to level the playing field, such as by fighting fire with fire.

Yeah but turning into a Kryptonian won't instantly make him on par with Supes since Superman has been basking on the sun forever.

Darkseid, Zod, et cetera are either gods or Kryptonians. It's near impossible to imprison them other than the Phantom Zone.

Zod has been a Phantom Zone prisoner and still Superman chose to murder him as an example.

Batman would use a specialized armor which Superman's optical heat beams can't melt.

Lol plot armor, how cute! Does it also have freeze immunities aswell then?

I didn't say sneak up on him, I said ambush. Ambush as in surprise attack. For example, lead Superman into a room full of Blue/Green Kryptonite. He got Superman to follow him into the lead-lined Metropolis sewers in Hush, so just add the Kryptonite to that tactic, and the tide turns to Batman's favor.

Superman was fightning himself in Hush and wanted to be saved, why would a fully controlled Superman behave like a stupid villain? Also how did Batman manage to lead someone and Superman the man who can go with the speed of light didn't catch him?

Do you just hate Batman?

He's my favourite character alongside Captain America.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Yeah but turning into a Kryptonian won't instantly make him on par with Supes since Superman has been basking on the sun forever.

Good point. Still he could just tan for a few months, or use something to augment his abilties. Or Batman could just use his intelligence to make up for the difference and outsmart Superman.

Zod has been a Phantom Zone prisoner and still Superman chose to murder him as an example.

What issue was that?

Lol plot armor, how cute! Does it also have freeze immunities aswell then?

Doesn't Lex Luthor have the same thing? I mean, the general rule is that if it works for Lex Luthor, it should work Bruce Wayne, since Bruce is smarter than Lex.
Also, it's not really plot armor, because this is a specialized suit, not just a T-shirt or something that randomly deflects heat blasts. The idea is that the suit would be designed specifically for heat, cold, whatever Superman can throw at him.

Superman was fightning himself in Hush and wanted to be saved, why would a fully controlled Superman behave like a stupid villain? Also how did Batman manage to lead someone and Superman the man who can go with the speed of light didn't catch him?

True. Here's how the ambush idea could go: Batman would hide a bunch of Blue Kryptonite in an area that Superman will pass through. Superman enters, and loses his powers upon exposure. Then Batman beats him with his combat skills.
Also, Superman wouldn't be going at the speed of light, because that would cause a massive amount of problems, such as sonic booms and collateral damage.

He's my favourite character alongside Captain America.

Batman's my favorite character, too.

 

[Drz]

Good point. Still he could just tan for a few months, or use something to augment his abilties. Or Batman could just use his intelligence to make up for the difference and outsmart Superman.

How on earth could Batman outsmart Superman? Also you're implying that Batman could for a few months try and cover the fact he has changed his anatomy and the way his body works from everyone and he wouldn't also use these new found powers to stop crime but just trying to remain hidden? Also he's still just a homo sapien who altered himself, whats Superman again? A Scientist, easy go easy fix.

What issue was that?

Brian Azzarello's Superman for Tomorrow.

whatever Superman can throw at him.

Tell me how can it endure punches in the face then, go on.

True. Here's how the ambush idea could go: Batman would hide a bunch of Blue Kryptonite in an area that Superman will pass through.

Why would Superman go to a spot with radiation that he recognizes? Oh and why would he go to a place he can see is covered in Lead.

Also, Superman wouldn't be going at the speed of light, because that would cause a massive amount of problems, such as sonic booms and collateral damage.

Lol collateral damage and whatnot that he can easily fix, so why should he be worried what the public might think of property damage that Supes can fix? Superman would do everything he can to stop something he feels should be stopped.

Again you need to make an proper argument where Superman isn't easily fooled or being written like a dumbass. Tho you could just admit that Superman would always win a Batman.

 

[Godzilla2014]

How on earth could Batman outsmart Superman? Also you're implying that Batman could for a few months try and cover the fact he has changed his anatomy and the way his body works from everyone and he wouldn't also use these new found powers to stop crime but just trying to remain hidden? Also he's still just a homo sapien who altered himself, whats Superman again? A Scientist, easy go easy fix.

i don't think Kryptonians look much different from humans, so no need to cover. Bruce Wayne could hide his powers the same way Clark Kent does: Not using them out of costume. And Batman could, especially with the same powers, outsmart Superman because he's smarter than him.

Brian Azzarello's Superman for Tomorrow.

Haven't read it, but it sounds out-of-character.

Tell me how can it endure punches in the face then, go on.

Well, it would be a specialized armor. It would be designed to take his punches.

Why would Superman go to a spot with radiation that he recognizes? Oh and why would he go to a place he can see is covered in Lead.

Batman draws Superman into the room. How? Batman stands in the room with a megaphone and tells Superman he's in there, so come and get him.

Lol collateral damage and whatnot that he can easily fix, so why should he be worried what the public might think of property damage that Supes can fix? Superman would do everything he can to stop something he feels should be stopped.

Would flying at the speed of light really be necessary to catch a mere human? Wouldn't the resulting collateral damage (including people killed) be too much for Superman to risk?

Again you need to make an proper argument where Superman isn't easily fooled or being written like a dumbass. Tho you could just admit that Superman would always win a Batman.

Superman isn't an easily fooled dumbass, but Batman can outthink him. If the situation required it, he could make Superman his ***** by manipulating him like a puppet because Bruce Wayne knows Clark Kent. Batman knows exactly how Superman will react to something, so he can find the strings to pull to get the one he needs. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it's easy.

 

[The Morningstar]

Not if Batman used one of the solutions I presented. Really powerful armor, or turning himself into a Kryptonian. It also depends on if he has the drop on Superman. Blue Kryptonite is probably Bruce's favorite choice if he has to knock Clark Kent out. Blue Kryptonite will nullify Kal-El's Kryptonian superhuman abilities, which puts the proverbial ball in Bruce Wayne's court. If he can ambush Superman with that, and keep it on him, then it is a matter of man-to-man fighting skills, where Batman has the edge. But Batman will make damn sure to take everything he knows about into account and do his best to compensate for his own lack of super-powers.

Don't get me wrong, Batman is at a massive disadvantage against Superman, and his victory generally would require a lot of preparation, planning, and some luck, but it's not impossible. If it was impossible, then Superman's battles with Lex Luthor would be either pretty boring and/or short and Lex wouldn't be his archenemy.

All this is plot induced stupidity or plot contrivance.

Seriously, if there was no plot contrivances, no plot induced stupidity in comics (there always will be, otherwise there is no drama) Superman just speed blitzes Lex, Bruce or anyone else into paste.

Superman has FTL reflexes and speed. Faster. Than. Light. He could knock Batman out before Batman even begins to think a single thought.

 

[Drz]

i don't think Kryptonians look much different from humans, so no need to cover. Bruce Wayne could hide his powers the same way Clark Kent does: Not using them out of costume. And Batman could, especially with the same powers, outsmart Superman because he's smarter than him.

It's the power signature i'm talking about, you simply can't cover that oh and if he is going to wear plot armor to cover it, that also just raises attention why he'd had extra padding. Also Batman is smarter than Superman? Please Superman's brain holds much more information, he knows so many things about vast galaxies and how to use science as a tool, such as if Batman would be using a serum with experiment time, then he'd just put the gravity higher on Bats because then time flows faster.

Haven't read it, but it sounds out-of-character.

Superman and others went alot thru from Identity Crisis to Infinite Crisis, nothing out of character here, just alot of stuff going thru for characters.

Well, it would be a specialized armor. It would be designed to take his punches.

Haha so when Superman with his speed of light does a gazillion wounds it doesn't hurt or break the armor at all? Plot armor at it's finest, allright how about Superman just throws Batman to space and keeps it there? Infinite Oxygen in it too now?!

Batman draws Superman into the room. How? Batman stands in the room with a megaphone and tells Superman he's in there, so come and get him.

So writing Superman as a moron to you isn't out of character? You can see the bias here is reeking, why can't Superman do the same? Infact lets put the Wayne family corpses there on the spotlight for Bruce to go there.

Would flying at the speed of light really be necessary to catch a mere human? Wouldn't the resulting collateral damage (including people killed) be too much for Superman to risk?

Oh he can save the people if the damage is going to hurt people, he's SUPERMAN!

Superman isn't an easily fooled dumbass, but Batman can outthink him. If the situation required it, he could make Superman his ***** by manipulating him like a puppet because Bruce Wayne knows Clark Kent. Batman knows exactly how Superman will react to something, so he can find the strings to pull to get the one he needs. Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it's easy.

And Superman knows what makes Batman tick, dead parent corpses. What do you got for Supes? Batman has nothing on Supes.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

It depends.

With no time to prepare: Superman beats Batman before Batman even knows a fight is happening.

With time to prepare: Superman beats Batman in a split-second while Batman is waiting somewhere to ambush him....while giggling.

With DC writers: Superman loses his intelligence and doesn't use any of the endless advantages he has over Batman. He will not even think of moving faster than Batman can think. Despite proving for decades that he can overcome impossible odds to win...Superman will now be unable to beat an opponent that is severely disadvantaged to him. Batman wins somehow.

I don't think I'll ever figure out what Batman fans want from him. Sometimes you'll hear Batman fans praising the character for its realism. ....Then you'll next hear them claim he can beat Superman in a fight! Seems like a person should eat that cake or have it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Under average conditions (No mind control or anything): Superman sees Batman and flies up to him. He says, "Hey Bruce! I haven't seen you in a while! How's protecting Gotham going?". Batman says, "It's going well. How about you?". They talk as friends. Winner: Both.

 

[dnno1]

Batman vs. Dick Superman:

 

[Grayson]

"Clark could easily use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Aside from the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness, and that's that deep down, he's a good person...And deep down, I'm not." - Batman.

Superman could kill Batman effortlessly, but it's for this very reason that Batman would make sure the conditions of their confrontation would fit him. It can be argued that, in current continuity, it's impossible for Superman to win, because Batman is just too damn prepared for it. Batman would take the initiative to kill Superman before Superman took the initiative to kill him, essentially.

 

[Grayson]

It depends.

With no time to prepare: Superman beats Batman before Batman even knows a fight is happening.

With time to prepare: Superman beats Batman in a split-second while Batman is waiting somewhere to ambush him....while giggling.

With DC writers: Superman loses his intelligence and doesn't use any of the endless advantages he has over Batman. He will not even think of moving faster than Batman can think. Despite proving for decades that he can overcome impossible odds to win...Superman will now be unable to beat an opponent that is severely disadvantaged to him. Batman wins somehow.

I don't think I'll ever figure out what Batman fans want from him. Sometimes you'll hear Batman fans praising the character for its realism. ....Then you'll next hear them claim he can beat Superman in a fight! Seems like a person should eat that cake or have it.

Ahhh, I feel like changing my comment to this, it's so beautiful lol.

 

[antonydelfini]

This is stupid. If it is a fight to the death fight, Superman wins this easily. And as a Batman fan, I wont even try to justify Bats and make ridiculous excuses like he'll prepare, he'll have kryptonite, he'll wait for a solar eclipse.

Now if the question is who is the better detective, Bats take the cake. The 2 characters have their own strengths.

 

[Godzilla2014]

"Clark could easily use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Aside from the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness, and that's that deep down, he's a good person...And deep down, I'm not." - Batman.

Superman could kill Batman effortlessly, but it's for this very reason that Batman would make sure the conditions of their confrontation would fit him. It can be argued that, in current continuity, it's impossible for Superman to win, because Batman is just too damn prepared for it. Batman would take the initiative to kill Superman before Superman took the initiative to kill him, essentially.

Agreed.

I will say that this fight would be very interesting if circumstances leveled the playing field, so that they fight as equals. Bring Batman up to Superman's power level or nullify Superman's superhuman abilities, so that the way they fight would be the deciding factor.

 

[KRIM]

Then it wouldn't be much of a fight. Batman has and always will be the better fighter. Leveling the playing field would only serve to showcase how powerless Supes is without his abilities.

 

[DE LA LUNA]

it depends.

with no time to prepare: superman beats batman before batman even knows a fight is happening.

with time to prepare: superman beats batman in a split-second while batman is waiting somewhere to ambush him....while giggling.

with dc writers: superman loses his intelligence and doesn't use any of the endless advantages he has over batman. He will not even think of moving faster than batman can think. Despite proving for decades that he can overcome impossible odds to win...superman will now be unable to beat an opponent that is severely disadvantaged to him. Batman wins somehow.

I don't think i'll ever figure out what batman fans want from him. Sometimes you'll hear batman fans praising the character for its realism. ....then you'll next hear them claim he can beat superman in a fight! Seems like a person should eat that cake or have it.

qft

 

[Drz]

Then it wouldn't be much of a fight. Batman has and always will be the better fighter. Leveling the playing field would only serve to showcase how powerless Supes is without his abilities.

Say whaaaaaaaaaaat? Superman's a brilliant level tactician and a scientist, brain beats brawn. If Batman put a super serum on himself then Superman would just have to play around that, such as making time go faster for Batman's body so the effect goes off.

 

[misjuevos]

don't kryptonians have superior intellect to humans?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Then it wouldn't be much of a fight. Batman has and always will be the better fighter. Leveling the playing field would only serve to showcase how powerless Supes is without his abilities.

He wouldn't be entirely powerless. He does have SOME martial arts training he received from Batman.

Say whaaaaaaaaaaat? Superman's a brilliant level tactician and a scientist, brain beats brawn. If Batman put a super serum on himself then Superman would just have to play around that, such as making time go faster for Batman's body so the effect goes off.

What? You mean by flying at relativistic speeds so that time moves much more slowly for him than the world around him?

don't kryptonians have superior intellect to humans?

It's inconsistent. I think they do not most of the time, or else it kinda renders Lex Luthor vs Superman as "Brains vs Even Bigger Brain with an assload of Brawn". That and it's really damn hard for a writer to write something or someone smarter than him/herself.

 

[misjuevos]

does that mean whoever writes for bizarro is a dumbass?, lol.

 

[Drz]

What? You mean by flying at relativistic speeds so that time moves much more slowly for him than the world around him?

No, by using a gravity gun on Batman and since gravity warps space time, the more gravity you put on Batman the more faster time goes for him and boom serum is out. Superman is a scientist and knows these things, it's a child's play for him. Also Superman due to being invulnurable has a "super memory" in the sense his brain cells never die or anything, so he remembers absolutely everything.

 

[Superman 1265]

Bumpity bump.

 

[jthom19802]

"Clark could easily use his super-speed to squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Aside from the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness, and that's that deep down, he's a good person...And deep down, I'm not." - Batman.

Superman could kill Batman effortlessly, but it's for this very reason that Batman would make sure the conditions of their confrontation would fit him. It can be argued that, in current continuity, it's impossible for Superman to win, because Batman is just too damn prepared for it. Batman would take the initiative to kill Superman before Superman took the initiative to kill him, essentially.

This is essentially my argument (as a very good friend of mine is a Bats guy to me being a Supes guy). Speaking in terms of "reality", Superman could snap Batman like a twig before Batman even knew he was in the same country.

Sadly though, I have to concede that there is a reason that Batman calls him the "Big Blue Boyscout". Superman simply won't bring himself to kill in most cases - some may say to a fault; this would be twice as true considering his relationship with Bruce. As you said, Bats would consider pulling the trigger long before Supes would.

Which is why I even actually allow myself to humor the debate in the first place.

I'm not sure why everyone always says Batman is smarter or more clever, though; Superman has all the known history of Krypton as well as pretty much all of the known history of Earth, speaks every language, etc etc. I'm sure he's read a book or three or three THOUSAND about combat, tactical warfare, detective-ness, etc. Whether he shows it or not, Superman is probably the most cultured and intelligent being on our planet (when compared to humans, not necessarily others in the DC universe).

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Fun reading. Interesting that I just read something a Batman fan wrote about not liking Superman because he's "unbeatable"...but then Batman fans will then immediately give a long list of reasons why Batman is unbeatable....especially not by the guy they claim to not like because of his invincibility.

I will say that this fight would be very interesting if circumstances leveled the playing field, so that they fight as equals. Bring Batman up to Superman's power level or nullify Superman's superhuman abilities, so that the way they fight would be the deciding factor.

If you take away Supes' powers or give Batman Supes' powers, that wouldn't be a fight between Batman and Superman, would it? I do agree that if you turn Batman into Superman he would have a chance in a fight.

This is essentially my argument (as a very good friend of mine is a Bats guy to me being a Supes guy). Speaking in terms of "reality", Superman could snap Batman like a twig before Batman even knew he was in the same country.

Sadly though, I have to concede that there is a reason that Batman calls him the "Big Blue Boyscout". Superman simply won't bring himself to kill in most cases - some may say to a fault; this would be twice as true considering his relationship with Bruce. As you said, Bats would consider pulling the trigger long before Supes would.

Which is why I even actually allow myself to humor the debate in the first place.

I'm not sure why everyone always says Batman is smarter or more clever, though; Superman has all the known history of Krypton as well as pretty much all of the known history of Earth, speaks every language, etc etc. I'm sure he's read a book or three or three THOUSAND about combat, tactical warfare, detective-ness, etc. Whether he shows it or not, Superman is probably the most cultured and intelligent being on our planet (when compared to humans, not necessarily others in the DC universe).

Interesting about Supes' brain power. He's not going to be outsmarted that badly. His #1 foe uses intelligence against him...so he can handle it.

About Supes' "boyscout" thing.....Batman would have no reason to fight a boyscout Supes. A Supes that Batman had a reason to fight would not be a boyscout. ....And a non-boyscout Supes would kill/defeat Batman before Batman knew a fight was going to happen. I've heard Batman fans claim a lot of things about him, never that he has precognitive ability. So Batman is in big trouble the instant Supes goes rogue. (That's assuming Batman really is the most dangerous threat to him like Batman fans say....Supes would know this and eliminate Batman first)

 

[Godzilla2014]

Fun reading. Interesting that I just read something a Batman fan wrote about not liking Superman because he's "unbeatable"...but then Batman fans will then immediately give a long list of reasons why Batman is unbeatable....especially not by the guy they claim to not like because of his invincibility.


If you take away Supes' powers or give Batman Supes' powers, that wouldn't be a fight between Batman and Superman, would it? I do agree that if you turn Batman into Superman he would have a chance in a fight.


Interesting about Supes' brain power. He's not going to be outsmarted that badly. His #1 foe uses intelligence against him...so he can handle it.

About Supes' "boyscout" thing.....Batman would have no reason to fight a boyscout Supes. A Supes that Batman had a reason to fight would not be a boyscout. ....And a non-boyscout Supes would kill/defeat Batman before Batman knew a fight was going to happen. I've heard Batman fans claim a lot of things about him, never that he has precognitive ability. So Batman is in big trouble the instant Supes goes rogue. (That's assuming Batman really is the most dangerous threat to him like Batman fans say....Supes would know this and eliminate Batman first)

The idea is to emphasize the skill of the combatants by removing the "capability gap". So Superman can't push the planet into the Sun without Batman being able to do the same. By the same token, Batman can't use a smoke grenade to blind Superman without Superman having the same options. Essentially, the idea is what would happen if each combatant has the same cards to play, how would they play them, and who wins.

Batman wins most of the time against Superman because he's prepared to do so. Superman fights with kid gloves all the times he comes up against Batman, and he doesn't take Batman seriously as a threat, but Batman pulls out all the stops to beat him. Batman uses every possible advantage against Superman, from using X-ray seeking missiles in The Dark Knight Returns to using the power of Metropolis to stun him, Batman gives Superman no quarter, no mercy. They approach the battle entirely differently: Superman approaches it like a boxing match (fighting fair), while Batman approaches it like a military battle (anything goes, so long as you win). It's why Batman is Superman's best friend and the only one he would entrust with a Kryptonite ring (an honor that I don't think Lois Lane gets to have): He knows that Batman is the one man who would have the guts and the means to stand up to him should Superman go rogue.