Batman Vs. Superman Who Would Win

[The Question]

Here's the deal:



You've seen the damage Superman can do. At the VERY LEAST, his punches have the force of a tactical balistic missile. Probably more since he's been majorly powered up (which I personally have a problem with for different reasons entirely). This means, all Superman would ahve to do is clap his hands together very very hard, and the insueing shockwave would knock Batman on his ass, and most likely the Kryptonite out of his hand. Also, remember, Superman flies faster than Batman can react. All he would have to to is fly away, grab some led, wrap it around his hand, and grab the Kryptonite at high speed. He would then proceed to pimp smack Bruce across town. It's reallt that simple. Unless Batman puts his entire fortune into it or had the help of his allies, he couldn't pull it off. Now working out of the cave. Now, if he bought a super suit or a giant robot off the black market, he might stand a chance. But I'd assume those cost as much as his company.

 

[celldog]

Here's the deal:



You've seen the damage Superman can do. At the VERY LEAST, his punches have the force of a tactical balistic missile. Probably more since he's been majorly powered up (which I personally have a problem with for different reasons entirely). This means, all Superman would ahve to do is clap his hands together very very hard, and the insueing shockwave would knock Batman on his ass, and most likely the Kryptonite out of his hand. Also, remember, Superman flies faster than Batman can react. All he would have to to is fly away, grab some led, wrap it around his hand, and grab the Kryptonite at high speed. He would then proceed to pimp smack Bruce across town. It's reallt that simple. Unless Batman puts his entire fortune into it or had the help of his allies, he couldn't pull it off. Now working out of the cave. Now, if he bought a super suit or a giant robot off the black market, he might stand a chance. But I'd assume those cost as much as his company.

We agree on something??????????

 

[terry78]

Physically, Supes beats Bats. Mentally, Bats beats Supes. That is the general consensus. It just depends on what you consider being beaten, physically vs. emotionally. Superman could beat Batman to a pulp, however Batman could taunt and chip away at him with verbally and mentally, leaving him an empty shell.

 

[The Question]

I highly doubt it. Clark is a highly inteligent person in his own right. Bats could talk trash to him, but Clark would probably realise that 's just Bruce trying to psych him out.

 

[TimDrake64x]

i think it depends on how much supes gets into it. when they faught in the hush series i remember bats put more into it cause "deep down im just not a good person, and clark is" so i think if maybe supes goes crazy and doesnt hold back then he wins but if he doesnt then bats does

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Dr. Doom is a pretty big threat to the Fantastic Four and to all of the MARVEL universe. Likewise, Lex Luthor is a pretty big threat to Superman and to all of the Justice League. Accordingly, I don't see how anyone can say that Batman (which is equal parts Lex Luthor and Dr. Doom wrapped up in a nice Bat-package) doesn't have a chance against Superman. The odds are certainly in favor of Supes, but Batman can acheive victory if he really, really wanted to. That said, I prefer that the two never fight; they should have minor conflicts over the course of their relationship, but nothing major.

 

[The Question]

Dr. Doom is a pretty big threat to the Fantastic Four and to all of the MARVEL universe. Likewise, Lex Luthor is a pretty big threat to Superman and to all of the Justice League. Accordingly, I don't see how anyone can say that Batman (which is equal parts Lex Luthor and Dr. Doom wrapped up in a nice Bat-package) doesn't have a chance against Superman. The odds are certainly in favor of Supes, but Batman can acheive victory if he really, really wanted to. That said, I prefer that the two never fight; they should have minor conflicts over the course of their relationship, but nothing major.

But Batman isn't like Doom or Luthor for alot of reasons. First off, Doom and Luthor are alot smarter. Scientifically, at least. They can build giant robots and crap like that. Bats can't. Second, both Luthor and Doom have legions of followers able to do their bidding for them, Luthor in the form of mercenaries and mob hitmen types in his employ, and Doom in the form of the Latverian military. Batman has a small number of oddly dressed vigilantes. And third and most important, Doom and Luthor kill people, or are at least more willing to kill people. Doom would get away from the Famtastic Four by launching a rocket into an office building full of people. Lex knows that you get to Superman by hurting people close to him. Batman doesn't do that, nor would he ever.

 

[blksuperman2]

But Batman isn't like Doom or Luthor for alot of reasons. First off, Doom and Luthor are alot smarter. Scientifically, at least. They can build giant robots and crap like that. Bats can't. Second, both Luthor and Doom have legions of followers able to do their bidding for them, Luthor in the form of mercenaries and mob hitmen types in his employ, and Doom in the form of the Latverian military. Batman has a small number of oddly dressed vigilantes. And third and most important, Doom and Luthor kill people, or are at least more willing to kill people. Doom would get away from the Famtastic Four by launching a rocket into an office building full of people. Lex knows that you get to Superman by hurting people close to him. Batman doesn't do that, nor would he ever.

Which is why a debate like this will never get answered. Unless one of the 2 is mind-controlled why on earth would they ever fight?

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Superman owns Batman

 

[X Patrol]

IMO if they fight it's just a matter of physical strenghth.
Supes wins.

 

[JackBauer]

why, lord, WHY won't this thread just DIE?!

 

[TheBlueWolf]

This thread can't be killed. It is the TERMINATOR!!!

But Superman would obviously win, if he was going all out, he would stay a safe distance away from Batman (due to kryptonite) and just bore a hole through Batman's head with intense focused heat vision...LONG before Batman even thought about busting a move!

OR...Superman would hyper speed straight over to Batman, and just biotch slap him all the way into the FUTURE, kind like how FLASH punched ZOOM all the way into the FUTURE. lol

And as far as Bat's kryptonite goes...well, Superman could do some ala Superman II, and just give Batman the KISS OF FORGETFULLNESS, and make him forget all about the kryptonite.

 

[GNR]

I could see Bats using his brains bigtime to bring down the big S.If this ever gets made into a movie,it has block buster smash all over it.

 

[existence]

People forget is what Superman is. Theres lots of good points here. Superman dosnt kill, batman will do whats nessesary. He dosnt kill either though...

Batman using a Krytonite gun. Superman being faster than a speeding bullet.

Like someone mentioned, its basically who evers writes the story. You could write a story where batman kills superman and make it seem plausible.

The same could be said for superman. I read a post that said that superman wouldnt be smart enough to fly into space and use telescopic/heat vision against Batman. That to me is just idodic thinking. Superman isnt ******ed. While he may not be as smart as Batman he is going to understand that if batman cant "hit" him, he will have a superior advantage.

Also ppl here dont look at it "realistically". People say with prep time Bats could do it. Unrealistic. With a guy who can move, fly and think faster that light, what could Batman do to beat him?
Also he basically has unlimited endurance. So Superman can fly mach 20 all day till he sees Batman. Using super hearing/teslescopic vision he could do this for 200 years until he found batman? And without batting an eye, ram into him at full speed. Superman dosnt kill. Ok. So maybe he just rips his arms off. Punches him to knock him out in one hit. either way. Batman has no chance against that EVEN with prep time. So the issue is not whether Batman had preptime but whether Superman knew Batman was out to get him.

Because if Superman knows Baman is out to "stop/kill/beat" him. Realistically, Batman has no chance.

Existence.

 

[The Question]

Also ppl here dont look at it "realistically". People say with prep time Bats could do it. Unrealistic. With a guy who can move, fly and think faster that light, what could Batman do to beat him?

Superman can't do anything faster than light.

 

[terry78]

I think the whole issue stems from Batman basically being the only one to call Supes on behavior he thinks is ridiculous or decisions he thinks are wrong. Superman is supposed to be the one everyone looks up, everyone's hero, everyone thinks knows best. Batman respects him, but he doesn't kowtow to him either, and he knows full well he can pull his head off if he wanted.

 

[nite-owl]

Superman would beat Batman as badly as I want to beat this thread.

 

[ImperfectIcon]

Batman...he's more intelligent and ruthless, and he knows Supes inside out, as well as the rest of the JLA.

 

[JackBauer]

Superman would beat Batman as badly as I want to beat this thread.

hehehe, VERY well put

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Also ppl here dont look at it "realistically". People say with prep time Bats could do it. Unrealistic....

While I respect your opinion, you have to realize that nothing about this situation is realistic at all, not Superman or Batman.

 

[existence]

Super-Speed and the Power of Flight
"From the west, over the city, streaked a familiar red-and-blue figure, grim, determined, dwarfed by the adversary that threatened to deal the city a crushing blow." (Miracle Monday 4)
In the early years of his super-heroic career, Superman was not endowed with the power of flight. Although he possessed superhuman speed, he moved from place to place by running or by executing gigantic leaps. Month by month, however, Superman's running speed increased, along with the length of his leaps and the complexity of the aerial maneuvers he was able to perform once he had left the ground. The transition from leaping to actual flying was extraordinarily gradual and was punctuated with a great deal of inconsistency. Not until May 1943 is Superman explicitly referred to as a "being who can fly like a bird" and not until later that same year can it be said, without qualification, that Superman actually possesses the power of flight.
By 1945, Superman is able to fly from Metropolis to Burma in the wink of an eye. "Light travels 186,000 miles a second, but has nothing on Superman," notes the text, "who finds himself hovering over the jungles of Burma in the wink of an eye!"

source- http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

 

[existence]

While i understand Batman and Superman are not "realistic". But in order to make a logical choice of who would win in a fight we have to examine them realistically. I mean if they were real, who would win in a foot race? ok, so we would look at thier abilities and make a claim to who would win.

The same is no different in any compparison.

existence

 

[Spike_x1]

Super-Speed and the Power of Flight
"From the west, over the city, streaked a familiar red-and-blue figure, grim, determined, dwarfed by the adversary that threatened to deal the city a crushing blow." (Miracle Monday 4)
In the early years of his super-heroic career, Superman was not endowed with the power of flight. Although he possessed superhuman speed, he moved from place to place by running or by executing gigantic leaps. Month by month, however, Superman's running speed increased, along with the length of his leaps and the complexity of the aerial maneuvers he was able to perform once he had left the ground. The transition from leaping to actual flying was extraordinarily gradual and was punctuated with a great deal of inconsistency. Not until May 1943 is Superman explicitly referred to as a "being who can fly like a bird" and not until later that same year can it be said, without qualification, that Superman actually possesses the power of flight.
By 1945, Superman is able to fly from Metropolis to Burma in the wink of an eye. "Light travels 186,000 miles a second, but has nothing on Superman," notes the text, "who finds himself hovering over the jungles of Burma in the wink of an eye!"

source- http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

Pre-Crisis Superman's powers are a completely different conversation that regular Superman's abilities and they have no ties to any concept of realism in the slightest. The current Superman cannot travel beyond the speed of light. Hell, not even light travels at light speed within our atmosphere because it has to go through air, moisture, and everything else in its way. The only time that light reaches its true potential speed is in the vacuum of outer space. Of course, to reach light speed, an object would require infinite amounts of energy. Superman is powered by the sun. The sun does not have infinite amounts of energy to hand out to Superman.

To say that Superman can do anything at lightspeed is like saying gravity simply doesn't exist on earth, even though we're all obviously feeling its pull.

There are some scenarios where we can suspend our disbelief, but there are other situations where it's simply impossible to believe anyone can accomplish feat X if you have even the most simplistic knowledge of the physics surrounding the subject in question.

 

[existence]

You sir are indeed correct. I would like to state also for the record it has been some time since I’ve collected either Batman or Superman so I will admit to being out of touch.
What you mentioned can also be found here. http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing43/feature2.shtml

As you progress closer to our current era of Superman you can read the abilities about Superman become blurred. Just like in movies, there are continuity errors. There is a vagueness to what his current powers are. It would be helpful if someone could find information on how fast he can move/fly/run.

From what I remember he could fly as fast as the Flash. Well.. Just a few feet behind the Flash, but that may no longer be correct.

But, just like the above poster stated, I think we all can agree that Superman can fly/run/etc faster than Batman can react. This should be enough to solidify the point even if Superman cannot achieve FTL travel.

Also as you stated about the science of physics, you are absolutely correct. But Spiderman wouldn’t be able to bench 10 tons from being bitten from a radioactive spider either. Nor would Superman be able to fly. We all just must agree to accept that Superman can do these things because of the yellow sun.

Does it scientifically make sense that Superman can fly just based on yellow rays? No, of course not. But we must accept this and move on and state this is something he can do.

Batman is easier to explain and believe. He obtained his knowledge from study and in this debate we incorporate that. There are tons of things that superheroes can do that is just not possible, but since we are told they can we have to examine the possibilities of the fight with those said powers regardless how unbelievable they may be.

It will be another what came first scenario… the chicken or the egg? While we may never know, it is fun to speculate from time to time.

Existence

 

[Spike_x1]

Also as you stated about the science of physics, you are absolutely correct. But Spiderman wouldn’t be able to bench 10 tons from being bitten from a radioactive spider either. Nor would Superman be able to fly. We all just must agree to accept that Superman can do these things because of the yellow sun.

Does it scientifically make sense that Superman can fly just based on yellow rays? No, of course not. But we must accept this and move on and state this is something he can do.

I have no problem believing that the yellow sun can enable Superman to have his "self-telekinesis." Why would I have trouble believing that? I also have no problem believing that Spider-man would have superstrength based on his origin.