Batman's fighting style

[saint sinner x]

I really don't understand what is your problem "the question" seriously speaking i think your discriminating batman just because he's human. First of all captain america is not super human he is slightly above human perfection i'll name you some Super Humans let's start with the alphabets ok like that it'll be more easier for you to understand what is a super human:
A= Aquaman
B= Bane
C= Colossus
D= Deadpool
E= Elixir
F= Flash
G= Green lantern
H= Hawkman
I= Iceman
J= Juggernaut
L= LionHeart
M= Magneto
N= NorthStar
O= Outlaw
P= Proffesor X
Q= Quicksilver
R= Rouge
S= Superman
T= Thor (Thor Odinson)
U= Ultraman
V= Vanguard
W= Wolverine
X= X-man

Today is your lucky day but one day i am going to find out a superhuman that starts with the letter Y and Z. My point is a superhuman is someone who is human that can do the super amazing feats, Captain america doesn't do any SUPERHUMAN feats sorry bro it's the truth deal with it get over it. Your side of the arguement is very dull. Here is my analogy of what your argueing about Your pretty much saying that batman is human therefor he shouldn't be able to defeat people who are stronger and more powerful then him right? You make me laugh that's like saying The hulk can defeat everybody because he has unlimited strength. When you match up silver surfer agaisnt the hulk well sorry hulk fans the surfer wins by default he has cosmic powers and cosmic powers would pretty much beat anyone. Aoch i sounded like "the question" On that last statement remind me not to do that again. Your seeing batman as a based reality character i think you should of notice by now that batman is not meant to be real just like james bond is not meant to be real just like charlie angels is not meant to be real just like ethan hunt is not meant to be real do you get my drift? Stop relating superheros to the real world. Your basicly wishing they were real now i don't know how old are you but just by you denying the facts shows alot of signs of insecurity in you and i'm not bashing on you i'm just simply decyphering your reasons on why batman can't win agaisnt any meta-humans or super powered beings. Your logics and comments resembles a 12year old kid who still has not mature. I'm not insulting you i'm just saying re-evaluate on what your saying and go read some batman comics then you will now know who your dealing with and talking about batman is not human he is a symbol in the spiritual nature point of view. Just contemplate about it ok?

P.S. I'm starting to get under the impression that you only see black and white. Hopefully you'll see the true colors of why the batman can do what he does and is very excellent at it.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Today is your lucky day but one day i am going to find out a superhuman that starts with the letter Y.

Yuriko Oyama aka Lady Deathstrike.

 

[saint sinner x]

Lol thanx.

 

[The Question]

I really don't understand what is your problem "the question" seriously speaking i think your discriminating batman just because he's human.

I'm not descriminating against anyone. I just think it's bull to have a human character preform superhuman feats.

First of all captain america is not super human he is slightly above human perfection

That makes him superhuman either way. An he's slightly above perfection in all areas. That's absolutely impossible to atain through training. He is superhuman.

i'll name you some Super Humans let's start with the alphabets ok like that it'll be more easier for you to understand what is a super human:

A superhuman is someone who's abilities go beyond natural human ptential. Just like Captain America.

My point is a superhuman is someone who is human that can do the super amazing feats, Captain america doesn't do any SUPERHUMAN feats sorry bro it's the truth deal with it get over it.

Yes, he does. He's a world class gymnest, but at the same time he's capable of bench pressing 1100 pounds while carrying on a casual conversation. He can run a mile in a little over a minute and still not get winded. His body doesn't build up fatigue poisons, meaning he can't get tired from physical exertion. And hell, he's physically incapable of getting drunk.

Your side of the arguement is very dull. Here is my analogy of what your argueing about Your pretty much saying that batman is human therefor he shouldn't be able to defeat people who are stronger and more powerful then him right?

For the most part, yeah.

You make me laugh that's like saying The hulk can defeat everybody because he has unlimited strength.

Not really. Especially since I don;t think The Hulk can beat everyone. And I'd be unpleased if he did.

When you match up silver surfer agaisnt the hulk well sorry hulk fans the surfer wins by default he has cosmic powers and cosmic powers would pretty much beat anyone.

Basically. Yeah.

Aoch i sounded like "the question" On that last statement remind me not to do that again. Your seeing batman as a based reality character i think you should of notice by now that batman is not meant to be real just like james bond is not meant to be real just like charlie angels is not meant to be real just like ethan hunt is not meant to be real do you get my drift?

Yes.

Stop relating superheros to the real world.

Batman isn't supposed to be a superhero. He's not supposed to have any powers. And yet people write him that way.

Your basicly wishing they were real now i don't know how old are you but just by you denying the facts shows alot of signs of insecurity in you and i'm not bashing on you i'm just simply decyphering your reasons on why batman can't win agaisnt any meta-humans or super powered beings.

No, that's bashing me. My reason on why Batman shouldn't beat metas is because Batman is not a meta. He is supposed to be a human being with training. No powers of any kind whatsoever. And yet he is written to preform superhuman feats quite alot. That's not good writing.

Your logics and comments resembles a 12year old kid who still has not mature.

No, it doesn't. I'm saying that Batman, as a character with no superhuman abilities, should not preform superhuman feats. That's not an immature arguement.

I'm not insulting you

Yes, you are. Alot.

i'm just saying re-evaluate on what your saying and go read some batman comics then you will now know who your dealing with and talking about batman is not human he is a symbol in the spiritual nature point of view.

No, he's not. He represents a symbol. But Batman, the character, is a human being. A human being who represents an idea can still be killed like any other human being. It's just that when he does get killed, the idea lives on. He doesn't.

P.S. I'm starting to get under the impression that you only see black and white.

1) Not true.

2) What does that have to do with anything?

Hopefully you'll see the true colors of why the batman can do what he does and is very excellent at it.

Basically, the reason is that the DC writers want to make Batman look like the coolest mofo in the universe, so the write him as to preform superhuman feats even though he's not supposed to be superhuman at all. Oh yeah, that's great writing right there.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

Then maybe he's got some freaky mind powers. You can't use hypnosis in hand to hand combat. Hypnosis just does not work that way.

well broadly speaking, wouldn't 'freaky mind powers' fit into the wide category of hypnosis?

aren't they all part of the same package, that's my point.

it seems you're definition of hypnosis is kinda just limited to making somone act like a chicken.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

You'd Be Surprised How Narrow The Gap Is Between Unwilling & Unable; It's Like "Spider-Man 2". When His Mind Din't Want To Do Something His Body Lost The Ability.

but that doesn't make him unwilling just unable.

he wanted to help that girl in the burning building with his powers, but he was still unable to do so even though the will was there.

if the correlation between willingness and ability was that close in this film, then his powers would have kicked in then.

 

[The Question]

well broadly speaking, wouldn't 'freaky mind powers' fit into the wide category of hypnosis?

Nope. Hypnosis is a technique that can be learned. Freaky mind powers is just something someone has.

aren't they all part of the same package, that's my point.

it seems you're definition of hypnosis is kinda just limited to making somone act like a chicken.

Of course not. It's just, you can't simply look at someone and make them hypnotized. And there's no such thing as hypnotic gestures. You have to plant suggestions into their minds, and unless you're telepathic, you can;t do that by pointing at them. Hypnosis cannot be used in hand to hand combat. Besides, even if it could, you can't hypnotise someone who doesn't want to be hypnotised or doesn't think they can be hypnotised. They have to be a willing participant.

but that doesn't make him unwilling just unable.



he wanted to help that girl in the burning building with his powers, but he was still unable to do so even though the will was there.



if the correlation between willingness and ability was that close in this film, then his powers would have kicked in then.

No, he was unwilling. Not unable. It was completely psychological. It was just a sub conscious thing. He was doubtful that he wanted to continue as Spider-Man, so, sub consciously, he began holding back with his powers. It took someone close to him being threatened to snap him out of it.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

this freaky mind power you keep going on about is a technique he DID aquire from his sensei, he wasn't born with it, he learnt to harness it and use it against people, it's been learnt and has taken a lifetime to master.

now taking into the account the works of this magician derren brown who does similar things for his trade as entertainment, i believe it's more than feasible.

I would ask you seriously to do some research into Derren brown if only to broaden your perspective.

and i also do have problems with your counter argument of something that i've seen and heard being described from the mouth of the actual instructor being rationalised as 'FREAKY MIND POWERS'.

you're being purposely closed minded Question, not cool.

 

[The Question]

I'm not being closed minded. I just know that that is not how hypnosis works at all. You can't use it in combat and you can't have hypnotic gestires. You need to tell someone to do something if they're going to do it while hypnotised. Hypnosis makes someone susceptible to suggestion. You can't make a suggestion by doing a hand gesture. Unless it's sign language.

 

[trustyside-kick]

How did a chat about hypnosis come into a conversation about Batman's fighting style(s) again?

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

rationalising how person 'could' go down with one blow with the mix of technique, intimidation and a hypnotic type gesture.

no biggie.

 

[trustyside-kick]

But how does hypnotics go with Batman.

 

[The Question]

Okay, here are some articles on the subject of hypnosis:


http://www.howstuffworks.com/hypnosis.htm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis

 

[trustyside-kick]

Still do not understand why you are talking about hypnotics. How does it fit in with Batman? I do not recall him having powers.

 

[The Question]

Odin said that he thought it was possible that Batman used hypnosis to make people think his punching them would knock them out to deliver one punch knock outs. I said that hypnosis doesn't work like that (which it doesn't), and this conversation got started. Really, you could just go back and read the posts that started it.

 

[saint sinner x]

Alright "the question" i apologize that i insulted you i just got a little annoyed with your logics and annotations. Just know that batman is a human but with a non-human personification. it's hard to take yea i know but that's the reality of it there's no way around it he is batman that's who he is that's what he does the impossible. This is why he is consider the pennecla of human perfection because he gives the fans to believe in. Because he is human yet he does the impossible.

LIVE ON THE BAT FOREVER SHALL BE IMMORTALIZED

 

[The Question]

Alright "the question" i apologize that i insulted you i just got a little annoyed with your logics and annotations. Just know that batman is a human but with a non-human personification.

Just because he represents an idea doesn't mean he should be written to preform superhuman feats.

it's hard to take yea i know but that's the reality of it there's no way around it he is batman that's who he is that's what he does the impossible.

Which is bull**** writing. If you have a character who is supposed to be a human being with no superhuman abilities whatsoever, you can't write him to preform superhuman feats. It's just not good writing.

This is why he is consider the pennecla of human perfection because he gives the fans to believe in. Because he is human yet he does the impossible.

But he's not written as the pinnacle of human perfection. He's written as a superhuman. And if he's supposed to simply be a human being with training, then that is bad writing.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Odin said that he thought it was possible that Batman used hypnosis to make people think his punching them would knock them out to deliver one punch knock outs. I said that hypnosis doesn't work like that (which it doesn't), and this conversation got started. Really, you could just go back and read the posts that started it.

Well that is kind of ridiculous...he knocks some people out with one or few punches because he hits hard? And they cannot take a hit all the time? He is a good fighter and knows the most crucial parts of the body to strike? When you are trained in so many arts makes sense that you learn best parts of the body to attack; the most common weak points. All are good answers as to how he knocks them out fast/with some ease. Oh and I always wanted to use this one but could never find a good time for it...he's the damn Batman.

 

[The Question]

Way I see it, one punch knock outs are generally rare, but if you know where to hit, and the other guy isn't expecting it, it can happen.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Way I see it, one punch knock outs are generally rare, but if you know where to hit, and the other guy isn't expecting it, it can happen.

Yea exactly. Like pressure points. Man those hurt.

Also, Batman is always two-steps or more ahead of his oponent. And when it comes to the average criminal I think they would not even suspect his whereabouts until they are on the ground kissing his boots in pain.

 

[Qoèlet]

Way I see it, one punch knock outs are generally rare, but if you know where to hit, and the other guy isn't expecting it, it can happen.

Absolutely, even when trained fighters are fighting at the highest levels, one solid shot to the chin ends fights right away. Even short shots, "phantom punches", drop tough guys. Of course, they don't land quite as quickly as in comic books most of the time, but if you threw a random guy off the street in the ring with Floyd Mayweather Jr., he'd probably be out within 30 seconds anyway.

One bit of irony I note: although Batman was originally written as fighting based on boxing and jiu-jitsu, which he taught to Robin (back in the Finger days, before he got God's resume attached to his name). The thing is, while he's portrayed as traveling all over the world to learn these styles of combat (even including his now ridiculous list of accomplishments), in reality he would not have even needed to leave the United States, or probably even leave Gotham City, to learn all he wanted to know about fighting. Heck, he could have learned all of the throws and takedowns/takedown defence he would ever need as part of a high school wrestling team in Gotham, and boxing/kickboxing gyms, as well as schools and teachers for Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, or whatever else, are readily available in major cities (Maybe Judo/Jiu-Jitsu would be hard to come by in the 1930's... but I doubt even that would have been an issue). The only real reason to travel would have been remaining anonymous, but I doubt Bruce would have been unable to manage that within the US.
Then again, people do love the mystique of someone going to some secret mountaintop to learn.

 

[The Question]

Yeah. If I were writing some sort of Ultimate Batman comic, his training in it would consist of this:


1) Learning how to fight from Ted Grand. At first it's just boxing, but eventually Ted teaches him Judo throws and military hand to hand combat moves he picked up in the army.

2) Learning tracking, forensic science, and how to think like a detective from Henri Ducard.

3) Learning stealth tactics and other ninjitsu tricks from Ra's Al Ghul.

That would take him roughly six to seven yeas, a good chunk of that period still having him deciding what he wants to do with his life. He'd start when he's fourteen, and end when he's 21. It would act as a perfect cover, too. No one would suspect a 21 year old college drop out of being a highly inteligent vigilante.

 

[Qoèlet]

Yeah. If I were writing some sort of Ultimate Batman comic, his training in it would consist of this:


1) Learning how to fight from Ted Grand. At first it's just boxing, but eventually Ted teaches him Judo throws and military hand to hand combat moves he picked up in the army.

2) Learning tracking, forensic science, and how to think like a detective from Henri Ducard.

3) Learning stealth tactics and other ninjitsu tricks from Ra's Al Ghul.

That would take him roughly six to seven yeas, a good chunk of that period still having him deciding what he wants to do with his life. He'd start when he's fourteen, and end when he's 21. It would act as a perfect cover, too. No one would suspect a 21 year old college drop out of being a highly inteligent vigilante.

I'd agree with something much like that... although it would probably be natural for Bruce to seek out a couple different teachers rather than learning all of his hand-to-hand from one person. Obviously he's adapting a novel approach to beating the hell out of people, so he'd pick up a few odds and ends from different sources, but on the whole he could learn most of what he wants from Grand, who'd probably be a far better teacher than some nameless bearded Chinese man in the middle of nowhere.
Or, you know, someone who'll teach things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM_qg5d1YGI&search=Chi%20KO

 

[The Question]

I'd agree with something much like that... although it would probably be natural for Bruce to seek out a couple different teachers rather than learning all of his hand-to-hand from one person. Obviously he's adapting a novel approach to beating the hell out of people, so he'd pick up a few odds and ends from different sources, but on the whole he could learn most of what he wants from Grand, who'd probably be a far better teacher than some nameless bearded Chinese man in the middle of nowhere.

I'd say Grant because Grant was a vigilante and later a special forces operative for the military. He knows how to street fight. He knows what's most practical for that stuff. He'd teach Bruce a combination of Boxing, Judo, and CQC. It'd take him 'bout two years to become really good at. Less if he's dedicated. Then, through the course of the story, he meets with Ducard at a charity event. Realizing that, somehow, he wants to use his skills to help people, he trains with Ducard to be a detective. Eventually, while on a case, Bruce meets Ra's, who's Ducard's client at the time. Bruce, over thge next year or so, learns stealth techniques, sword fighting, and staff fighting from Ra's. That leads to later plot points I'd use.

Or, you know, someone who'll teach things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM_qg5d1YGI&search=Chi%20KO

Oh, I just saw that. It'd be cool if that stuff actually works, and hell, it may somewhere. But that particular guy's obviously a fraud.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Just watched that video and that is wierd.