The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[batbat_29640]

I will always love Norm's artwork . . . but I can't believe someone's actually pushing for a blue batsuit.

 

[blind_fury]

Having armor sculpted like muscle never made much sense. Is he trying to fight crime or get laid?

The segmented Metal Gear Solid suit makes alot more sense in Nolan's universe.

 

[DSET]

ANY non-powered vigilante would be a complete fool not to use body-armour for this kind of job. It has nothing to do with how good a shape someone's in! Sheesh, if you want fantasy, you're welcome to it; but it doesn't work in this kind of story.

Agreed. Dead end was good for what is was: a short film. The spandex suit is un practical and it would be foolish for someone who doesn’t have any super powers. However in another filmmaker’s interpretation it may work, but not in Nolan’s vision.

The new suit as "busy." Batman's suit, when you think about it, is simply not as dynamic or eye-catching as many other superheroes' outfits. And that's as it should be. But to make it more interesting for a film audience, especially when it's an all-black suit, I don't see what the problem is with adding lines and contours to it.

As an artist I can tell you that too much detail always- always hurts the design. You can add the cuts in the armor in certain areas for a reason but some of them are quite unnecessary. It just clutters up the design of the suit and it takes away from the overall look.
Everyone loves Jim Lee including me; however his work is a prime example of using unnecessary lines. Him and David finch are my two favorite current artists if you look at their work they use allot of unnecessary lines for muscle definition, and believe me if they turned it down a tad it would look even better at times. You never see them adding unnecessary little divots and bezels in the character design. Keeping things simple is a principal you have to consider when designing you're characters. Adding lines for muscles and form is one thing adding lines for design elements and shapes for no reason is another.
Gears of War and MGS are both futuristic games and you see similar design elements from this Bat-suit in those games. And this is a real world Batman movie in the present time.
Think about how much more popular the design is for Kratos than it is for Fenix in Gears of war, Solid Snake design in MGS3 vs MGS4. The simple ones are always better, look at mcfarlanes venom vs the today venom, Mcfarlanes kills it. Although those are drawn and 3d characters its not really fair to compare to a live action movie design. But just look how many people love the dead end costume and thats just a short film. If you can add the simplicity of that suit with the mobility and strength of the current suit it would be amazing.
Since you appreciate the SWAT design look at Splinter cell and Rainbow Six character designs they still are less busy than this suit. They wear jackets with elbow pads and fisher wears a rubber suit with a vest. They clutter up the design by adding numerous ammo pouches, there all there for a reason. The numerous lines on batman’s abs and bull’s-eye design on his knee’s have no purpose. Overall the new suit is not bad but it’s not great its just got a little too much unnecessary design elements.

 

[Hunter Rider]

That picture made it worse, they had about 200 different shots and chose that.

Heh,yeah it wasn't the best shot they could have used to reveal the new design

 

[MagicPrime]

There was an old Golden Age batman that had Batman showing Robin a ton of different colored batsuits. Anyone remember?

 

[batbat_29640]

hey guys . . . we all know that Norm Breyfogle ALWAYS draws his Batman blue right?

 

[regwec]

Overall, I'm pleased with it. I love the new cowl, and I like the reference to the old oval. It's outline seems better.

I'm at a loss as to why they can't just paint the ****ing symbol black. Would it really be so much trouble? Some of the "hi tech" elements of the design seem like overkill, but I can live with it.

If I were asked to rate it as a design in isolation, I would give it a 10, but as a Batman suit, I'll allow it an 8.

 

[IamtheBatman]

Old School type batman pic.

 

[sinewave]

I will always love Norm's artwork . . . but I can't believe someone's actually pushing for a blue batsuit.

i think it's just due to the fact that that's what he's familiar with. it doesn't appear that he was aware that batman's costume has traditionally been black and grey or that the blue comes from the fact that back in the old days they used blue as a highlight for black and someone misguidedly (in my opinion) took it a step farther and used blue as the main color of the cape, cowl, gloves and boots.

 

[Jack Rabbit]

The current army camo's are designed for Sand/Urban war fare in places such as Iraq, and the Palestine's. Most buildings are colored the exact way we have our outfits designed.

Wow. I didn't even look at your username. I'm biased. Our deserts are superior.

Seriously, though. That works better in a desert enviroment than this?

C'mon...

 

[Steelsheen]

if i may weigh in on the Batman suit is blue or black.....


the Batman suit is meant to be black and grey. its just that early comic coloring isnt as sophisticated as it is today, so in order to give highlights to black they use blue coloring.

over the decades the blue parts of the suit increased because it gives a lighter feel to Batman, this is specially the times when the Batman franchise was criticized as being too dark and not good for the kids.

so bottom line is: the suit is black. it was meant that way. the blue was for highlight and shouldnt have overcompensated the black.

 

[regwec]

hey guys . . . we all know that Norm Breyfogle ALWAYS draws his Batman blue right?

Breyfogle is a penciller, not an inker. Obviously, someone with a poor aesthetic eye inked that drawing, which doesn't even look much like one of Norm's.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I know its personal opinion but i cant see why any one would dislike the new suit, i mean come on its effing awesome with a side order of awesomeness, i can understand people being on the bench or disliking the joker look but the new suit, i never liked the first one when i saw it first time, but feck could this be any cooler.

I cant believe people still want a fabric suit, it works in the comics, in the animated series but in a live action film?? it just wouldent work, i know Nolan wont please everybody but its still batman itsstill faithful to the source material, stop whining.

(and it looks nothing like robocop.)

 

[darknight7]

Looks like RoboBat...I'm going to wait for more pics, or see how it looks in action before I judge completely...


EDIT

I didn't even see the post before mine...about Robocop...lol


--dk7

 

[regwec]

if i may weigh in on the Batman suit is blue or black.....


the Batman suit is meant to be black and grey. its just that early comic coloring isnt as sophisticated as it is today, so in order to give highlights to black they use blue coloring.

over the decades the blue parts of the suit increased because it gives a lighter feel to Batman, this is specially the times when the Batman franchise was criticized as being too dark and not good for the kids.

so bottom line is: the suit is black. it was meant that way. the blue was for highlight and shouldnt have overcompensated the black.

That's entirely wrong, and I have detailed why a million times. In comics of any era you can find a blue-caped Batman in the same frame as a black-dressed character.

 

[batbat_29640]

Breyfogle is a penciller, not an inker. Obviously, someone with a poor aesthetic eye inked that drawing, which doesn't even look much like one of Norm's.

Please tell me you're not serious?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Question, what issue of EW is this article suppose to come out on?

The Bat-article is not in todays EW with the O13 cover on it, maybe on next week's EW mag?

Thanks in advance.

 

[regwec]

Please tell me you're not serious?

Of course I'm serious. Did it sound like a joke? What don't you understand? I know that Norm has inked his own work (always with a blue Batman), but that isn't his raison d'etre.

 

[Steelsheen]

That's entirely wrong, and I have detailed why a million times. In comics of any era you can find a blue-caped Batman in the same frame as a black-dressed character.

ok Reg, tell me why.

 

[regwec]

I just did, with as much brevity as possible.

 

[batbat_29640]

Of course I'm serious. Did it sound like a joke? What don't you understand? I know that Norm has inked his own work (always with a blue Batman), but that isn't his raison d'etre.

I got that straight off of Norm's own website out of his personal library. Norm Breyfogle is first and formost a painter!!!! That is his work entirely.
And as far as the Blue vs. Black debate . . . even Bob Kane originally drew and painted Batman in black.

btw . . . how's your crow?

 

[regwec]

Fine, but Norm has't painted many comics, which is what I'm talking about. I hardly recognised the pic you posted as one of his, probably for that reason.

I know that Batman's first appearance was black/grey, I'm just at pains to refute the idea that Batman has always supposed to be in black, even when clearly in blue.

Who brought up Norm anyway?

 

[Baba Ghanoush]

Overall, I'm pleased with it. I love the new cowl, and I like the reference to the old oval. It's outline seems better.

I'm at a loss as to why they can't just paint the ****ing symbol black. Would it really be so much trouble? Some of the "hi tech" elements of the design seem like overkill, but I can live with it.

If I were asked to rate it as a design in isolation, I would give it a 10, but as a Batman suit, I'll allow it an 8.

Are pigs flying? Did Hell freeze over?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Question, what issue of EW is this article suppose to come out on?

The Bat-article is not in todays EW with the O13 cover on it, maybe on next week's EW mag?

Thanks in advance.

 

[regwec]

Eh?