The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Crook]

PS: I dont like d3o. I think it would be overkill for a suit. I mean, people are gonna be wondering when he is going to transform into a truck.

Where the hell do you get transformation, from material that hardens on impact? That's existing military technology, and we've seen plenty of videos of it in action.

If anything, the transformation analogy would work better on the cape. Looks like a damn blanket, but electricity magically stiffens it into this majestic glider. And to boot, we don't have any videos of this supposed technology!

And some people just dont like a fabric suit. Rubber when handled well looks and feels better.

This is what I mean by confusing fact for preference.

 

[zman]

It could work if it were done the same way that the Spider-Man suit was done. That's the only way I could see it. But it shouldn't be all up in your face LOOK AT ME I"M GREY CLOTH!!!!! It should be logical. Even the Spider-Man suit had a friggen body suit to accentuate the muscles underneath it. It even had shadows colored onto the suit to make it feel more muscley. And not to mention they were either able to elimate folds or edit them out of the final product.

It could work for a big budget movie. It already has. And what's more, they wouldn't even have to lose as much realism, really. I could seriously see Lucius Fox explaining a certain kevlar-esque upgraded body suit for Batman.

And hell, they could even go so far as to give it a rigid shape when it's not exactly on batman and it's just hanging in his closet. They didn't do that for spider-man, but it would work here.

I think that where the debate is is that the people who want the armor don't want Batman looking like Adam West or like he's wearing a T-Shirt, or like he's wearing Pajamas. And the people who want the comic faithful cloth suited Batman don't want Batman to be G.I Freakin' Joe.

Freakin' compromise, people. Its not black and white. You don't have to choose between only cloth, or only armor. Seriously.

one of the best posts I've read here, bravo.

 

[Prefix]

A black neoprene (not spandex) costume with a kevlar-like texture and padding underneath to give the illusion of armour would be the best costume ever.

I'm willing to bet if Nolan went with that for Batman Begins there would be no arguing, and definitely no people wishing he had used rubber.

 

[Sandouras]

I think it looks stupid, personally. Well for one thing, its not kevlar. Kevlar is not comparable to rubber, at all.

I cant see how you cant like it but i respect it of course. Also, what i meant is that it is supposed to be kevlar, although we know that bale wears a rubber suit. You obviously misunderstood me.

I seriously think you people have some sort of mental block when it comes to talking to people like us. You are incapable of rational debate, alterior thinking and reason. It is very clear that you have not even begun to consider another point of view.

"You people", "people like us". So everybody in your camp is superior and on my camp ******ed or inferior. No reason to discuss anymore then mein Fuhrer!
And if someone is having a mental block its you. We obviously accept that a comics look wouldnt work well on batman and we have grown accustomed to the movie look. You havent. You still ask for a comics look and i bet you did ask the same thing for Wolverine in the X-Men movie as well. Thank god that yellow suit wasnt used in the movie cause as much as its bada$$ in comics, my god it would suck if you saw Jackman wear it!

Where the hell do you get transformation, from material that hardens on impact? That's existing military technology, and we've seen plenty of videos of it in action.
If anything, the transformation analogy would work better on the cape. Looks like a damn blanket, but electricity magically stiffens it into this majestic glider. And to boot, we don't have any videos of this supposed technology!
This is what I mean by confusing fact for preference.

First of all, d3o isnt existing military technology and we dont know how well it works and what its other qualities are (weight,etc). But of course this is hollywood so it could be upgraded! Still i dont like it and i stick to the overkill arguement. The reason is this:

A similar concept is already used in the cape and it would be too much to apply that as well. If i had to choose one of the two, i would definitely go for the cape, even if that meant batman would wear a bikini! And the reason is the coolness and mobility that this cape provides. Burton's scaffolding one was a good start, but this one elevates batman's mobility and ability to scare and use the cape to another level. Its what we see in comics, only improved and explained. Seriously:
Memory cloth cape & bikini > d3o suit and no flight
and thats not because i dont like d3o.

One more thing. Spandex was really great on the fastastic 4 because we see those guys in the comics in spandex and in a very normal physical condition. They arent really buff nor bada$$. It looked good on screen and more so because its fantastic 4, not batman, not spawn. Johnny Storm =/= Batman. And if the other fan-favourite and similar character Moon Knight came to the big screen, i would like him to be a maelstrom of power and badassery! To break bones and take down whole police divisions (and i say that just to show how bada$$ he should be, not that he should do that exact thing). And i would go for the cloth & armour pad solution here as well. Simply because flesh isnt that hard in real life as in comics and we are inevitably gonna witness some flobbery action there.

 

[Crook]

First of all, d3o isnt existing military technology and we dont know how well it works and what its other qualities are (weight,etc). But of course this is hollywood so it could be upgraded of course! Still i dont like it and i stick the overkill arguement. The reason is this:

A similar concept is already used in the cape and it would be too much to apply that too.

And what are the consequences if it's used? Because with the words "too much", sounds like you're making it out to be some sort of deal breaker. Will audiences angrily throw their hands up in disbelief at the thought of advanced armor? I'm curious.

If i had to choose i would definitely go for the cape, even if that meant batman would wear a bikini! And the reason is the coolness and mobility that this cape provides. Burton's scaffolding one was a good start, but this one elevates batman's mobility and ability to scare and use the cape to another level. Its what we see in comics, only improved and explained. Seriously:
Memory cloth cape & bikini > d3o suit and no flight
and thats not because i dont like d3o.

You act as if D30 is something to scoff at. Myself, I think it'd be pretty cool for a thug to hit Batman with a metal bat (or something equally as hard), and show Batman not being fazed at all. Something like that also adds to the mystique of Batman and his perceived supernatural entity.

And I still don't get why you can't use both D30 and the electric cape. The "military protoype" beaker isn't exactly overflowing, if you know what I mean. One more addition to the fray is not going to bring major changes, no less illicit an outcry.

 

[Prefix]

I cant see how you cant like it but i respect it of course. Also, what i meant is that it is supposed to be kevlar, although we know that bale wears a rubber suit. You obviously misunderstood me.

So if you accept that a Batman suit that is clearly rubber can be called kevlar, then you should be able to accept a neoprene suit with padding as a protective material

"You people" "people like us". So everybody in your camp is superior and on my camp ******ed or inferior. No reason to discuss anymore then mein Fuhrer!

Didn't say that anyone was better than the other.

And if someone is having a mental block its you. We obviously accept that a comics look wouldnt work well on batman and we have grown accustomed to the movie look. You havent.

I've never specifically argued for comic accuracy, thats just something you're projecting on to me.

You still ask for a comics look and i bet you did ask the same thing for Wolverine in the X-Men movie as well. Thank god that yellow suit wasnt used in the movie cause as much as its bada$$ in comics, my god it would suck if you saw Jackman wear it!

Actually I agree with you on that one, I don't think Wolverine's comic costume works in the context of a live-action movie. But once again you assume what I think rather than actually listen to what I have to say.

One more thing. Spandex was really great on the fastastic 4 because we see those guys in the comics in spandex and in a very normal physical condition. They arent extremely buff nor bada$$. It looked good on screen and more so because its fantastic 4, not batman, not spawn. Johnny Storm =/= Batman.

Stop saying spandex. Spandex is too flimsy and cheap looking for a live-action costume. Nobody wants spandex, the only people suggesting it are the ones arguing against it.

And if the other fan-favourite and similar character Moon Knight came to the big screen, i would like him to be a maelstrom of power and badassery! To break bones and take down whole police divisions (and i say that just to show how bada$$ he should be, not that he should do that exact thing). And i would go for the cloth & armour pad solution here as well. Simply because flesh isnt that hard in real life as in comics and we inevitably are gonna witness some flobbery action there.

What?

 

[Sandouras]

And what are the consequences if it's used? Because with the words "too much", sounds like you're making it out to be some sort of deal breaker. Will audiences angrily throw their hands up in disbelief at the thought of advanced armor? I'm curious.

Maybe its just me, but i buy more into a magic cape than a suit that magically hardens when its hit. Probably because of the effects it has on the plot and general world. A cape that magically does what we see in the comics and always wanted in the movies is one thing. But having uber-hax armour is another. Next thing you know batman is gonna be.....well....transforming into the batmobile!

You act as if D30 is something to scoff at. Myself, I think it'd be pretty cool for a thug to hit Batman with a metal bat (or something equally as hard), and show Batman not being fazed at all. Something like that also adds to the mystique of Batman and his perceived supernatural entity.

And I still don't get why you can't use both D30 and the electric cape. The "military protoype" beaker isn't exactly overflowing, if you know what I mean. One more addition to the fray is not going to bring major changes, no less illicit an outcry.

Even though i am on the armour camp i dont want a keaton type invincible batman. Imagine that!
I want a bat to do damage. I want batman to be like an urban super/bat-commando and not a robocop. He is the goddamn batman. Clubs harm him, but you will be one luck bastard if the club actually touches him!!!

 

[Sandouras]

So if you accept that a Batman suit that is clearly rubber can be called kevlar, then you should be able to accept a neoprene

Thing is, they could have made the pads in TDK from kevlar. But i bet rubber is easier to work with, maybe lighter and of course cheaper. Its not like the batmobile is actually armoured. But i bet they could armour it if they wanted. Its a movie though, so they wont be firing actual bullets anyway.

Didn't say that anyone was better than the other. I've never specifically argued for comic accuracy, thats just something you're projecting on to me. Actually I agree with you on that one, I don't think Wolverine's comic costume works in the context of a live-action movie. But once again you assume what I think rather than actually listen to what I have to say.
Stop saying spandex. Spandex is too flimsy and cheap looking for a live-action costume. Nobody wants spandex, the only people suggesting it are the ones arguing against it.
What?

Ok, i assumed about Wolvie, but you did say that us people (as if i am the president of the armour camp) cant yadda yadda yadda....

On comic accuracy: I thought that thats what you want since you want cloth so bad. I mean, its the inferior one in qualities.

On spandex: Ok, i generally mean cloth.

What?

......

 

[Prefix]

Thing is, they could have made the pads in TDK from kevlar. But i bet rubber is easier to work with, maybe lighter and of course cheaper. Its not like the batmobile is actually armoured. But i bet they could armour it if they wanted. Its a movie though, so they wont be firing actual bullets anyway.

This is exactly my point. So if none of it is actually real, then why can't a neoprene outfit with pretend under-armour be presented in the same way?

Ok, i assumed about Wolvie, but you did say that us people (as if i am the president of the armour camp) cant yadda yadda yadda....

And you proved my point.

On comic accuracy: I thought that thats what you want since you want cloth so bad. I mean, its the inferior one in qualities.

Obviously I want a suit that resembles Batman in the comics, but not so far as to resort to a black and gray or blue and gray colour scheme, complete with undies over tights.

Oh and being 'inferior' is your opinion.

On spandex: Ok, i generally mean cloth.

Good.

 

[Sandouras]

This is exactly my point. So if none of it is actually real, then why can't a neoprene outfit with pretend under-armour be presented in the same way?

No. Its like if you were saying: "Since both the batmobile and Optimus Prime arent real, why cant you believe them both to be real?". Well because with some grand you can armour any car you want, but currently you cant make a car transform into Optimus Prime. So you could make that suit from kevlar. Its realistic. They obviously dont for budget or whatever reasons. But you cant have a suit like that. Maybe d3o has some good qualities, but you cant. Its more far fetched if you like.

And apart from that i told you before, some people like the helmet and the rubber suit. Its as hard and invincible looking as batman's abs are in the comics. Only that cloth doesnt show this in real life.

And you proved my point.

I honestly dont know what you are talking about.

Oh and being 'inferior' is your opinion.

Of course it is. Some people consider getting shot nice. I dont.

 

[Prefix]

No. Its like if you were saying: "Since both the batmobile and Optimus Prime arent real, why cant you believe them both to be real?".

No it's not, at all.

Well because with some grand you can armour any car you want, but currently you cant make a car transform into Optimus Prime. So you could make that suit from kevlar. Its realistic. They obviously dont for budget or whatever reasons. But you cant have a suit like that. Maybe d3o has some good qualities, but you cant. Its more far fetched if you like.

Please explain how.

And apart from that i told you before, some people like the helmet and the rubber suit. Its as hard and invincible looking as batman's abs are in the comics. Only that cloth does show this in real life.

I know they like it. I don't.

I honestly dont know what you are talking about.

No, you don't.

Of course it is. Some people consider getting shot nice. I dont.

Learn to respect my opinion and then I can respect yours.

 

[Sandouras]

This is exactly my point. So if none of it is actually real, then why can't a neoprene outfit with pretend under-armour be presented in the same way?

Wait wait wait. Now i got it. You want a superman suit for batman?

First of all, you are asking for armour as well. So its gonna have the same structure if you like. Only the external surface is gonna be different right? Its gonna be neoprene like superman's. Is it because its shiny or because you like the creases?

 

[Prefix]

Wait wait wait. Now i got it. You want a superman suit for batman?

First of all, you are asking for armour as well. So its gonna have the same structure if you like. Only the external surface is gonna be different right? Its gonna be neoprene like superman's. Is it because its shiny or because you like the creases?

Basically, I don't like the suit BEING the armour. Once that happens, you end up adding unnecessary details and you get the Begins and TDK suits, which I dislike because they detract from the simplistic design which Batman is known for. And as every movie since 1989 has had Batman in rubber, i'd like something different.

Neoprene, along with a silk-screened texture like the black costume in Spider-Man 3, can look expensive and high-tech enough so that it looks like something a billionaire would buy, while still retaining the properties of spandex. It can also show armour underneath without explicitly making Batman's costume ABOUT the armour, which as I said, is the problem with Nolan's costumes.

Bunk has a manip that shows exactly what I want.

 

[Sandouras]

No it's not, at all. Please explain how.

I told you. Its normal for a guy to wear a shirt with kevlar pads. A suit that hardens on impact isnt that normal. And i bet that a bullet would destroy d3o easily!

No, you don't.

So please elaborate cause i didnt get how you werent discriminating there. It seemed like you were, but its ok.

Learn to respect my opinion and then I can respect yours.

I do. But you have to admit that an armoured suit is better than a cloth one when you fight crime.

 

[Prefix]

I told you.

No you didn't. You've being arguing with Crook about d30, not me. I've never argued for d30. I think it's needlessly high-tech.

Its normal for a guy to wear a shirt with kevlar pads.

Oh really? So you're saying that it is believable for someone to wear fabric with armour underneath?

A suit that hardens on impact isnt that normal. And i bet that a bullet would destroy d3o easily!

A straight shot can pierce Batmans armour according to Lucius Fox in BB, so..

So please elaborate cause i didnt get how you werent discriminating there. It seemed like you were, but its ok.

Ok.

I do. But you have to admit that an armoured suit is better than a cloth one when you fight crime.

It is better, which is why I still want Batman to be armoured without looking like Robocop.

 

[Sandouras]

Basically, I don't like the suit BEING the armour. Once that happens, you end up adding unnecessary details and you get the Begins and TDK suits, which I dislike because they detract from the simplistic design which Batman is known for. And as every movie since 1989 has had Batman in rubber, i'd like something different.

Neoprene, along with a silk-screened texture like the black costume in Spider-Man 3, can look expensive and high-tech enough so that it looks like something a billionaire would buy, while still retaining the properties of spandex. It can also show armour underneath without explicitly making Batman's costume ABOUT the armour, which as I said, is the problem with Nolan's costumes.

Bunk has a manip that shows exactly what I want.

Ok ok ok. I got you now.
Nolan's suits just try to imitate batman's physique under the suit. They portray batman almost as he is in the comics. With a perfect torso with well defined details and muscles. In begins he was like a creature. Now i get that you dont want the suit to be an armour but in essense BB had soft spots as well. It was hard in certain areas (elbows for example). You could say that the hard pads were embedded in the whole suit looking as one. You somehow suggest something similar. That pads are embedded/covered with cloth. Ok. Ok.

It could work, but would batman look buff and intimidating? Would he have flobbery areas? Post that manip if you can find it.

 

[Mr. Socko]

*eddie murphy voice*


Spandex! All Spandex!!!

 

[Prefix]

It could work, but would batman look buff and intimidating? Would he have flobbery areas? Post that manip if you can find it.

Sorry, can't find it right ow, but its been posted countless times in this thread.

 

[Sandouras]

Sorry, can't find it right ow, but its been posted countless times in this thread.

http://bunk2.deviantart.com/art/batman-concept-57581878
this?

 

[Sandouras]

http://bunk2.deviantart.com/art/batman-concept-57581878
And this is Cristian Bale in DeadEnd in that i cant unsee his belly and bicep fat. In that they look fleshy and.... like those dudes on the beach with the tight shirts on for show off. Like i can smell his armpit sweat. Kevlar ftw!

Edit: Above suit is obviously a more streamlined TDK concept. The pads are still over the suit.

 

[batsone]

 

[Sandouras]

So how does this work? Is it supposed to be armour under the cloth or just cloth? I mean, is it gonna be like Spiderman (enhancing only) or real visible to us armour that defines the exterior and how the cloth is shaped?

 

[batsone]

well i figure it looks like armor under some sort of cloth. but reaally all it is is molded rubber just smoothed out and not so tech. looking. sort of a middle ground.

 

[Sandouras]

well i figure it looks like armor under some sort of cloth. but reaally all it is is molded rubber just smoothed out and not so tech. looking. sort of a middle ground.

Ok, its not bad.

But i dont get why people want to cover the armour with cloth. It will have the same appearance as the armour beneath it only with creases and a cloth texture (meh). And i seriously dont get the cheesyness of grey/black. Those pants need to go, but then it will look off. So off with the grey. He just doesnt look so intimidating with it as in the comics.

I wish Nolan did what Favreau did a bit (he says he receives and reads a lot of emails and takes a lot of fan stuff into consideration). To open a conversation with us about styling a bit. We arent the directors of course but i wish he would make a cloth suit just to show how bad it would look on screen.

 

[batsone]

i dont see why people say grey and black dosent look as intimidating on film as it does in the comics. visual is visual, the lighting and setting are the only things that would make it look less scary or more so. mind you im not sayin that the grey should be like wests color scheme but really people come on if an image looks kickass then it looks kickass. reguardless if its a photo or a painting.
besides id like bats to look like bats for a change.