The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Ronny Shade]

Rather than "lenses"(which would indeed look dumb), maybe he could wear white eye contacts? That'd look pretty cool.. but its too obvious of a change from Begins to make without explaining it somehow, IMO.

Where were you when we went over this like 30 times?

 

[Maxwell Smart]

My life doesn't revolve around this place, sorry.

 

[Ronny Shade]

That's okay.


Probably a good thing.

 

[Katsuro]

Excuse me , clasps more practical for what?

First, in case he needs to detach the cape. Also, it keeps the cape out of the way. He's usually drawn with his cape meeting in front, which looks cool, but would probably hinder his ability to fight quite a bit.

 

[Ronny Shade]

so would not being able to raise your arms





ouch. forget I said that. I'm not a suit-hater.

 

[El Payaso]

First, in case he needs to detach the cape. Also, it keeps the cape out of the way. He's usually drawn with his cape meeting in front, which looks cool, but would probably hinder his ability to fight quite a bit.

You think if he hasn't the clasps there the cape would be... like unable to be detached?

If so... why in the world you think that?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

People no lenses


*watches the white eye/Lense crowd get upset*

I am for a dark grey modfication on the kevlar suit.

 

[raybia]

I've got no problem with people liking the suit the way it is--I'm not sure I want modifications, myself--but all this garbage about modifications "not making sense" is a load of crap. It is so MIND-BENDINGLY EASY to explain suit modifications that it would hardly be necessary to explain on film. I can do it in two lines:

Wayne: "Lucius, I've outlined some modifications I need made to the suit."
Fox: "Okay."

DONE. Hell, there are plenty of ways it could be explained. Other prototypes lying around? Damage to the original, thus necessitating repairs? Hell, Bruce could educate himself and building HIS OWN version of the suit.

As for WHY the suit would be changed, that's easiest of all: improvements. It doesn't matter if they're technical or just stylistic, because Batman needs both. People say style shouldn't matter to Batman, but how can that be true? We're talking about a guy who goes to great lengths to make himself appear as a Bat demon. Appearance is always going to be at least somewhat relevant to Batman, and as such I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he'd take steps to appear more inhuman or organic.

Exactly.

Bruce commissions technical improvements made to the suit and just be chance those changes results a more stylistic, streamlined design.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Any good new manips or drawings to illustrate what people are personally wanting to see for the sequel?

 

[Wams]

Any good new manips or drawings to illustrate what people are personally wanting to see for the sequel?

Here ya go...

 

[Whack Arnolds]

I'd like that design w/o the oval. But I do hope they keep at least the chest symbol consistent from movie to movie. If they change certain aspects of the costume or color...fine, but at least keep the continuity of the chest symbol. That was one thing that bugged me about the last series. It always changes. Keep that, and I think it keep much needed continuity and connection to his first suit, that he used to BEGIN his career.

 

[raybia]

Any good new manips or drawings to illustrate what people are personally wanting to see for the sequel?

Somewhere ... in the back of my mind, actually.
It's just a fun little project I've been toying with.

 

[Sandman138]

Something along these lines.

 

[lujho]

Well in this movie, several things have already been established. Which is sort of my point. The batsuit is a mockup. there aren't hundreds laying around in dozens of varieties for him to choose from. And since he doesn't manufacture them all by himself.....

But he DID design the cowl, by himself, completely. Every element of its look came from his mind.

And a lot of us happen to think that the cowl he designed can look more than a little goofy at times, and could look much better.

 

[raybia]

But he DID design the cowl, by himself, completely. Every element of its look came from his mind.

And a lot of us happen to think that the cowl he designed can look more than a little goofy at times, and could look much better.

Yes, at time, at certain angles.

 

[lujho]

Cool and badass is important in terms of audience perception and while the initial suit was this to some degree, he was limited on how much it could be as it was still a mockup (as it should have been since he was eager to begin his war on crime)

Well no, there's not actually reason he couldn't have got it perfect (again, which some of us think it is, some of us think it isn't) from day 1.

The suit itself is going to be damaged, repaired, maintained and altered continuously for as long as he is Batman. It's obvious that changes are going to happen over time in an organic way.

 

[lujho]

Or look at it this way.

Bruce owns Wayne Enterprises now. What if he chose to restart up the production of those survival suits? Assuming some time has passed since that prototype was made, the technology would be much more advanced, resulting in a better, sleeker suit.

And if they mass-produced those, who's to say one can't be "displaced?"

That's the idea I had. If they produced some lighter, stronger, sleeker, better, CHEAPER armour that Wayne Enterprises could actually mass produce, then Batman could easily have a new suit.

I'd actually love to see Gotham SWAT or riot cops wearing similar armour, just to establish that Batman is actually wearing something that is now somewhat everyday.

Also, in Begins, Bruce should have actually *STOLEN* all the Waynetech stuff, not asked nicely for it. That would ahve been perfect cover and Fox wouldn't have to know he's Batman like he now certainly does.

 

[lujho]

I think it would be funny if Batman did have a new cowl design, and we saw all 20,000 of his old cowls in the corner of the batcave. Poor Alfred would have to clean up all the old ones.

Yeah, they're kind of stuck with the 10,000 cowl-shells. Sometimes you paint yourself into a corner when you over-explain stuff. They didn't NEED to explain that they ordered so many to avoid suspicion, but because they did, it would seem silly for Batman to ditch that component.

But then, it WAS only the graphite shells. NOT 10,000 full cowls. Any new design of cowl could still incorporate the shells (which is basically just the face and top of the head) and still be quite different.

 

[kytrigger]

Yeah, they're kind of stuck with the 10,000 cowl-shells. Sometimes you paint yourself into a corner when you over-explain stuff. They didn't NEED to explain that they ordered so many to avoid suspicion, but because they did, it would seem silly for Batman to ditch that component.

But then, it WAS only the graphite shells. NOT 10,000 full cowls. Any new design of cowl could still incorporate the shells (which is basically just the face and top of the head) and still be quite different.

Good point that it's not the full cowl.

 

[lujho]

Well obviously Batman wasn't too worried about people making connections between the Batmobile and The Tumbler .

The suit would be hardly seen by most people. It would be difficult to make the connection between the batsuit and the ones produced by Wayne Enterprises.

The connection wouldn't be made. If it's something that thousands of soldiers and police all over America are starting to wear, it won't matter if someone notices Batman is wearing one. If you saw a masked vigilante using a certain brand of gun, would you automatically assume the vigilante himself was the owner of that gun company?

It's the connection between Batman the *current* suit - the single, unique prototype, that is an identification risk. But the Batmobile thing overshadows that tenfold by being so damn obvious.

 

[raybia]

Well no, there's not actually reason he couldn't have got it perfect (again, which some of us think it is, some of us think it isn't) from day 1.

The suit itself is going to have to be damaged repaired, maintained and altered continuously for as long as he is Batman. It's obvious that changes are going to happen over time in an organic way.

No reason? He could have gotten it right the first time, but with time he can also get it better.

Bruce really lucked into the items that he was able to obtain from Fox.

 

[lujho]

First, in case he needs to detach the cape. Also, it keeps the cape out of the way. He's usually drawn with his cape meeting in front, which looks cool, but would probably hinder his ability to fight quite a bit.

The "clasps" themselves on the real costume actually make it very difficult to remove the cape. They are, as far as I know, screwed on like nuts. There's no quick-release.

That doesn't neccessarily mean it can't be that way in the film, but then again there's no reason a far more cosmetic appearance couldn't also have a quick release. But you don't need to see it. You didn't actually need to have those huge-ass triangles on top of the cape to have whatever imaginary attachment method it used - for example, just imagine if they had been smaller and sewn in to the fabric.

Christ, look at the actual suit - there doesn't appear to be ANY easy way to get in and out of it at all, but no-one's complaining about that. Why is that? By the logic of people who say the clasps have to be on the cape so he can easily remove ite, the costume designers should have put obvious zips all over the bodysuit to show us a means of easy entry and exit.

 

[Saint]

The "clasps" themselves on the real costume actually make it very difficult to remove the cape. They are, as far as I know, screwed on like nuts. There's no quick-release.

That doesn't neccessarily mean it can't be that way in the film, but then again there's no reason a far more cosmetic appearance couldn't also have a quick release. But you don't need to see it. You didn't actually need to have those huge-ass triangles on top of the cape to have whatever imaginary attachment method it used - for example, just imagine if they had been smaller and sewn in to the fabric.

Christ, look at the actual suit - there doesn't appear to be ANY easy way to get in and out of it at all, but no-one's complaining about that. Why is that? By the logic of people who say the clasps have to be on the cape so he can easily remove ite, the costume designers should have put obvious zips all over the bodysuit to show us a means of easy entry and exit.

Lujho wins.

 

[darknight7]

Something along these lines.

That is just the Begins suit with white pupils?

--dk7

 

[lujho]

That is just the Begins suit with white pupils?

--dk7

The bodysuit's quite different, and also lighter in colour. It's much sleeker and more organic.

It also looks like it could possibly be sewn rather than sculpted.

The cowl's sleeker and the ears look different too. ANd the mouth-hole's less round.

Very much an evolution from the Begins design.