BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman!! - Part 2

[DIRECTOR]

I'm not so sure. WB is throwing us curves.

Even with the Batman and Affleck boost which will be huge, this film is facing stiff competition in 2015. It needs to mix things up. I have this feeling that Amy and Ben could sizzle on screen. Besides in the comics WW is now Superman's love interest and not Lois.

temporarly, that will change. You can start any story line with the love interesting being the True Love in the beginning of any story line

 

[Shikamaru]

The thing that bugs me the most about Affleck being cast, other than him being a "meh" choice IMO, is the direction in which they're taking this new Batman. Prior to him being cast, there were reports of WB looking for a Batman in his 40's who has many years of experience already that would have somewhat of a mentor influence on Superman. There were also reports of this Batman being based off the one in The Dark Knight Returns in the sense of him being older and many years into his game. Casting Affleck for the role pretty much confirms this.

Personally, I don't think that is a good idea and it is a dynamic I have no interest in. What I always loved about the Batman/Superman dynamic was their brotherly relationship. These are two men who you would never expect to get along or to care for each other due to being the complete polar opposite of each other and yet despite their differences, they are very close to each other. Both of them even said at one point "Clark/Bruce was the brother I never had". They walked on very different yet very similar paths at the same time that led them to who they are today. They both began their careers as superheroes at around the same time and grew together as their careers progressed. All of that is stripped away when you introduce a Batman in his 40's who's been doing this for a lot of years. We are not talking of like 2 or 3 years of experience prior to Superman's debut (which is no big deal). We are talking about an entire decade of experience over Superman or more. Sure that not everything has to be like the comics, but the classic Batman/Superman dynamic is easily one of the greatest dynamics in all of comics, if not one of the greatest dynamics in general. An adaptation should only deviate from the source material if the source material has major flaws that the adaptation wants to improve on or if the adaptation has a better idea and I don't think that applies to the Superman/Batman dynamic that we know.

In a way, I feel this will make both Superman and Batman look bad. Superman will almost feel more like a Robin (younger, a lot less experienced, makes more mistakes than Batman, etc.) and will not carry the same presence he is supposed to carry of being the force of hope that is equal to the force of fear. Batman will look bad by the time Justice League comes out if the whole team is closer to Superman's age while Batman is much older but is still considered to be on par with Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest. I hate the idea that Batman needs around an entire decade of experience as a superhero over the rest of the team in order to be seen as an equal towards all the other members. Maybe this isn't the best analogy, but it makes Batman feel like the guy in his early-mid 20's who is still stuck in Grade 12 with other 17 year olds. If they make this Batman "on par" with the young versions of the Justice League, what will that say about the young version of Batman in this universe?

 

[roach]

It's pretty damn civil on here compared to virtually everywhere else.

i have yet to venture into the bat boards...on CBM they have declared Martial Law

 

[Two-Face]

Glad it's NOT Jake G playing Batman. give him Flash or other superhero.

 

[ThePhantasm]

That's the kinda *****ey media presence I was talking about... The more and more awards Argo won, the more and more he acted like that while giving acceptance speeches. Or just media appearances in general.

He didn't actually say "deal with it." That's my text for humorous effect. His actual quote was a self-depreciating joke about him not winning "best actor."

 

[The Watchman]

Law of contrarians

 

[DSunny]

The thing that bugs me the most about Affleck being cast, other than him being a "meh" choice IMO, is the direction in which they're taking this new Batman. Prior to him being cast, there were reports of WB looking for a Batman in his 40's who has many years of experience already that would have somewhat of a mentor influence on Superman. There were also reports of this Batman being based off the one in The Dark Knight Returns in the sense of him being older and many years into his game. Casting Affleck for the role pretty much confirms this.

Personally, I don't think that is a good idea and it is a dynamic I have no interest in. What I always loved about the Batman/Superman dynamic was their brotherly relationship. These are two men who you would never expect to get along or to care for each other due to being the complete polar opposite of each other and yet despite their differences, they are very close to each other. Both of them even said at one point "Clark/Bruce was the brother I never had". They walked on very different yet very similar paths at the same time that led them to who they are today. They both began their careers as superheroes at around the same time and grew together as their careers progressed. All of that is stripped away when you introduce a Batman in his 40's who's been doing this for a lot of years. We are not talking of like 2 or 3 years of experience prior to Superman's debut (which is no big deal). We are talking about an entire decade of experience over Superman or more. Sure that not everything has to be like the comics, but the classic Batman/Superman dynamic is easily one of the greatest dynamics in all of comics, if not one of the greatest dynamics in general. An adaptation should only deviate from the source material if the source material has major flaws that the adaptation wants to improve on or if the adaptation has a better idea and I don't think that applies to the Superman/Batman dynamic that we know.

In a way, I feel this will make both Superman and Batman look bad. Superman will almost feel more like a Robin (younger, a lot less experienced, makes more mistakes than Batman, etc.) and will not carry the same presence he is supposed to carry of being the force of hope that is equal to the force of fear. Batman will look bad by the time Justice League comes out if the whole team is closer to Superman's age while Batman is much older but is still considered to be on par with Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest. I hate the idea that Batman needs around an entire decade of experience as a superhero over the rest of the team in order to be seen as an equal towards all the other members. Maybe this isn't the best analogy, but it makes Batman feel like the guy in his early-mid 20's who is still stuck in Grade 12 with other 17 year olds. If they make this Batman "on par" with the young versions of the Justice League, what will that say about the young version of Batman in this universe?

Regardless of which actor got cast, this kind of dynamic is my biggest worry about the movie too. I really don't want Superman made to look like an amateur in favor of mentor Batman, and I really hope they can still manage to end up with more of a brotherly relationship than a teacher/student one in this movie.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Ignoring the origin has nothing to do with age.

Superman and Batman always felt like peers to me. Making Batman older changes up the dynamic a bit. And now that the guy cast as Batman is actually a huge star and the guy cast as Superman isn't... that dynamic switches up even further. They don't feel like equals now.

Superman is 34 in MOS. Affleck's Batman will probably be a similar age, only more experienced in superheroics. That's fine by me. Even if you went rookie in the costume route we'll probably still getting the version that's trained his hole life for this whereas Superman hasn't. But for me I'm glad that Batman seems to have been around awhile. It makes the most sense and was something I had hoped to see develop after TDK only to have been let down with his whole sabbatical.

 

[MrMaooz]

Glad it's NOT Jake G playing Batman. give him Flash or other superhero.

Nah, I want Chris Pine for Flash. (or GL)

 

[Marvin]

Food for thought
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First step, fixing the batman delivery. The rest comes later.

 

[Krumm]

So I thought there was a big anti-Affleck-Bats thing here but the poll suggests the opposite.

They're just louder.

 

[newwaveboy87]

He didn't actually say "deal with it." That's my text for humorous effect. His actual quote was a self-depreciating joke about him not winning "best actor."

Oh thank god. I just remember when he won a few things and I just had to cringe. Hathaway had the same problem too! By the time they won their Oscars it was just insufferable.

But I walked away still liking her, and still feeling the same "meh" reaction to him.

Let's not forget the fanboy rage when she was cast as Catwoman. I always had faith. She demonstrated serious acting chops in several films beforehand. Affleck hasn't really. It's like the old argument between movie star and actor. A project must be built around a movie star's persona otherwise it's too distracting and rips you out of the film. That's why I'm always a little hesitant when someone like, say, Tom Cruise expresses interest in Iron Man or Sandra Bullock wanted to do Wonder Woman.

 

[The Shield]

Fans are literally petitioning WB to remove him? Seriously!

www.variety.com/2013/film/news/fans-petition-warner-bros-to-remove-ben-affleck-as-batman-1200587228/

This is humiliating... they should feel stupid. Now fanboys look even more juvenile than ever. All because of some movie made over 10 years ago.

 

[Tobias]

The thing that bugs me the most about Affleck being cast, other than him being a "meh" choice IMO, is the direction in which they're taking this new Batman. Prior to him being cast, there were reports of WB looking for a Batman in his 40's who has many years of experience already that would have somewhat of a mentor influence on Superman. There were also reports of this Batman being based off the one in The Dark Knight Returns in the sense of him being older and many years into his game. Casting Affleck for the role pretty much confirms this.

Personally, I don't think that is a good idea and it is a dynamic I have no interest in. What I always loved about the Batman/Superman dynamic was their brotherly relationship. These are two men who you would never expect to get along or to care for each other due to being the complete polar opposite of each other and yet despite their differences, they are very close to each other. Both of them even said at one point "Clark/Bruce was the brother I never had". They walked on very different yet very similar paths at the same time that led them to who they are today. They both began their careers as superheroes at around the same time and grew together as their careers progressed. All of that is stripped away when you introduce a Batman in his 40's who's been doing this for a lot of years. We are not talking of like 2 or 3 years of experience prior to Superman's debut (which is no big deal). We are talking about an entire decade of experience over Superman or more. Sure that not everything has to be like the comics, but the classic Batman/Superman dynamic is easily one of the greatest dynamics in all of comics, if not one of the greatest dynamics in general. An adaptation should only deviate from the source material if the source material has major flaws that the adaptation wants to improve on or if the adaptation has a better idea and I don't think that applies to the Superman/Batman dynamic that we know.

In a way, I feel this will make both Superman and Batman look bad. Superman will almost feel more like a Robin (younger, a lot less experienced, makes more mistakes than Batman, etc.) and will not carry the same presence he is supposed to carry of being the force of hope that is equal to the force of fear. Batman will look bad by the time Justice League comes out if the whole team is closer to Superman's age while Batman is much older but is still considered to be on par with Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest. I hate the idea that Batman needs around an entire decade of experience as a superhero over the rest of the team in order to be seen as an equal towards all the other members. Maybe this isn't the best analogy, but it makes Batman feel like the guy in his early-mid 20's who is still stuck in Grade 12 with other 17 year olds. If they make this Batman "on par" with the young versions of the Justice League, what will that say about the young version of Batman in this universe?

But what if Ben is coming on board for just a couple films and being given creative control of the DC Universe? Maybe the first JL film will fix him up to look a decade younger than he is and just a bit older than the rest. Just saying.

I don't think Ben will do 5 Bat flicks (though I expect he will direct them). My guess is that the plan is for a younger Batman to take over the next Batman solo franchise. Could be wrong but that's how I see it playing out.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Affleck was always humble even when the awards rained on him for Argo, he's got a right to feel proud and to **** the haters in a way, because a lot of people buried him and he showed them, that's the ultimate perk of pride.

 

[kalhawj]

Ben, what do you say to the Fan Boy that hate you as Batman? "Because I'm Batman!!!"

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaM_tYWBdyU[/YT]

 

[newwaveboy87]

The thing that bugs me the most about Affleck being cast, other than him being a "meh" choice IMO, is the direction in which they're taking this new Batman. Prior to him being cast, there were reports of WB looking for a Batman in his 40's who has many years of experience already that would have somewhat of a mentor influence on Superman. There were also reports of this Batman being based off the one in The Dark Knight Returns in the sense of him being older and many years into his game. Casting Affleck for the role pretty much confirms this.

Personally, I don't think that is a good idea and it is a dynamic I have no interest in. What I always loved about the Batman/Superman dynamic was their brotherly relationship. These are two men who you would never expect to get along or to care for each other due to being the complete polar opposite of each other and yet despite their differences, they are very close to each other. Both of them even said at one point "Clark/Bruce was the brother I never had". They walked on very different yet very similar paths at the same time that led them to who they are today. They both began their careers as superheroes at around the same time and grew together as their careers progressed. All of that is stripped away when you introduce a Batman in his 40's who's been doing this for a lot of years. We are not talking of like 2 or 3 years of experience prior to Superman's debut (which is no big deal). We are talking about an entire decade of experience over Superman or more. Sure that not everything has to be like the comics, but the classic Batman/Superman dynamic is easily one of the greatest dynamics in all of comics, if not one of the greatest dynamics in general. An adaptation should only deviate from the source material if the source material has major flaws that the adaptation wants to improve on or if the adaptation has a better idea and I don't think that applies to the Superman/Batman dynamic that we know.

In a way, I feel this will make both Superman and Batman look bad. Superman will almost feel more like a Robin (younger, a lot less experienced, makes more mistakes than Batman, etc.) and will not carry the same presence he is supposed to carry of being the force of hope that is equal to the force of fear. Batman will look bad by the time Justice League comes out if the whole team is closer to Superman's age while Batman is much older but is still considered to be on par with Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest. I hate the idea that Batman needs around an entire decade of experience as a superhero over the rest of the team in order to be seen as an equal towards all the other members. Maybe this isn't the best analogy, but it makes Batman feel like the guy in his early-mid 20's who is still stuck in Grade 12 with other 17 year olds. If they make this Batman "on par" with the young versions of the Justice League, what will that say about the young version of Batman in this universe?

Yeah, the whole mentor thing is bothersome to me. So I feel you there.

The Luthor/Wayne partnerships, manipulate, playing them against each other before they team-up against Luthor thing is fine. It's a great outline to build off of if it is indeed true, and it most likely is. But that mentorship role....? I don't feel it.

 

[Mr.M]

Nah, I want Chris Pine for Flash. (or GL)

I think this opens up Pandora's Box. Now you can go with Damon, Pitt, and Clooney for supporting roles, maybe lure the likes of Gosling and/or Pine for Flash. Hell, Don Cheadle with a British accent for Jon Stewart would probably be overlooked at that point (I'd probably go with Chiwetel Ejiofor for Stewart though). Get talent when you can.

 

[shauner111]

The thing that bugs me the most about Affleck being cast, other than him being a "meh" choice IMO, is the direction in which they're taking this new Batman. Prior to him being cast, there were reports of WB looking for a Batman in his 40's who has many years of experience already that would have somewhat of a mentor influence on Superman. There were also reports of this Batman being based off the one in The Dark Knight Returns in the sense of him being older and many years into his game. Casting Affleck for the role pretty much confirms this.

Personally, I don't think that is a good idea and it is a dynamic I have no interest in. What I always loved about the Batman/Superman dynamic was their brotherly relationship. These are two men who you would never expect to get along or to care for each other due to being the complete polar opposite of each other and yet despite their differences, they are very close to each other. Both of them even said at one point "Clark/Bruce was the brother I never had". They walked on very different yet very similar paths at the same time that led them to who they are today. They both began their careers as superheroes at around the same time and grew together as their careers progressed. All of that is stripped away when you introduce a Batman in his 40's who's been doing this for a lot of years. We are not talking of like 2 or 3 years of experience prior to Superman's debut (which is no big deal). We are talking about an entire decade of experience over Superman or more. Sure that not everything has to be like the comics, but the classic Batman/Superman dynamic is easily one of the greatest dynamics in all of comics, if not one of the greatest dynamics in general. An adaptation should only deviate from the source material if the source material has major flaws that the adaptation wants to improve on or if the adaptation has a better idea and I don't think that applies to the Superman/Batman dynamic that we know.

In a way, I feel this will make both Superman and Batman look bad. Superman will almost feel more like a Robin (younger, a lot less experienced, makes more mistakes than Batman, etc.) and will not carry the same presence he is supposed to carry of being the force of hope that is equal to the force of fear. Batman will look bad by the time Justice League comes out if the whole team is closer to Superman's age while Batman is much older but is still considered to be on par with Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, and the rest. I hate the idea that Batman needs around an entire decade of experience as a superhero over the rest of the team in order to be seen as an equal towards all the other members. Maybe this isn't the best analogy, but it makes Batman feel like the guy in his early-mid 20's who is still stuck in Grade 12 with other 17 year olds. If they make this Batman "on par" with the young versions of the Justice League, what will that say about the young version of Batman in this universe?

Affleck is 41, Cavill's Superman will be 34. Seven years of difference is like Batman as the older brother.

My brother is 6 years older than me. I have a good friend who is 5 years older. It's no problem. This is why I think it's NOT the Dark Knight Returns style in terms of age. Brolin would have been the late 40s Batman and I admit now that it would have been weird with that age difference. That would have been like Frank Miller. I feel like this is more Arkham City-Bats. 7 years fine.

Affleck is the same age as Jon Hamm. And I can say that Affleck could pass for Bale's age (39) with ease. Hamm looks mid 40s. Brolin looks 50.

They may depict Batman as a late 30s character next to a mid 30s Superman. That would be even better.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

This is humiliating... they should feel stupid. Now fanboys look even more juvenile than ever. All because of some movie made over 10 years ago.

These people are just plain sad and pathetic.

“He’s not built, nor is he intimidating enough for the role of Batman."

Hmmm, I don't think that's the first time I heard that about an actor about to play Batman.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Affleck was always humble even when the awards rained on him for Argo, he's got a right to feel proud and to **** the haters in a way, because a lot of people buried him and he showed them, that's the ultimate perk of pride.

Someone whose career was nearly tarnished because of Gigli and Daredevil, just to see him rise to the top 10 years later is quite impressive.

 

[newwaveboy87]

Affleck was always humble even when the awards rained on him for Argo, he's got a right to feel proud and to **** the haters in a way, because a lot of people buried him and he showed them, that's the ultimate perk of pride.

There's a way to do that without sounding like a jerk. There were a few articles about how he was acting a little more smug with each win and how that could potentially turn-off voters, but I'm too lazy to dredge them up from The Wrap and what have you.

 

[slumcat]

GIVE PEOPLE TIME

is what I would say.

This literally has been a shocking announcement because the name was not even being discussed and it landed out of the blue.

Let people process whether they like it or not, right not is still a shocked reaction. Affleck comes with a lot of baggage, he's such a big name, so there are multiple different things that can happen.

I think people will eventually settle on a more thought out opinion.

The above applies to me too. I am still taken aback by the announcement.

 

[georgec]

All this flack for Batfleck in a Bat flick...

 

[Tim_Riggins]

There's always several ways to look at an article. You see the man in interviews, speeches, he is humble, kind, respectable, talented. I don't remember if this is here or someone else that I read someone saying he met him, and Affleck was just a class act, something like that tells you a lot about the guy.