Comics Ben Reilly...returns?!

[spidey-dude]

Because Complete Clones Do Not Disintergrate Hence The Spider Skeleton In The Smokestack

 

[SpideyInATree]

Nah, I bet he comes back as a villian like whats-his-name came back in Batman:Hush. Todd?
Anyways, he probably thinks that he is still the origional and not the clone.

Oh no no no no no, please, Comic Gods, no.

If they would do that I'd have to drop a couple turds in a bag, and light it on fire in front of the Marvel building. There is no need for Ben Reilly to be a villain, AT ALL.

If you want to bring back a villain clone you bring back KAINE, do you hear me? KAINE!

I have spoken. Or, in this case, typed. No Ben Reilly being a villain or the consequences will be disgusting, stinky, and against my religion.

 

[spidey-dude]

^I agree with this guy, the only way he could work as a villian, emphasis on COULD is if the goblins got him in some wierd mind control or drugged or whatever he did to peter that one time, ONLY way because theres no way that Ben would be a bad guy i mean it would just be so unlike his characterisitics

 

[crivelliman]

You know, I never considered Stark might have made a Spider-Man clone. That actually makes some sense. Could be Stark made clones of everybody, and David's going to capitalize on that loose end left with "Clor" in his FNSM book. The Ben Rielly mantle could be just kind of a joke because it's "another Spider-clone."

 

[SpideyInATree]

I don't know if that would be cool or not if Stark would clone Peter. But it wouldn't necessarily be Ben Reilly though, just another clone. Marvel would seriously be showing that they have quite the testicular fortitude. I honestly wouldn't know how to react if it actually did go down. At this point if Tony Stark and Reed Richards are making Thor clones it could happen.

I'm kind of worried, yet excited, in a weird way.

 

[crivelliman]

At this point, I'm being a lot more adventurous in my desire for Spider-Man stories based on my new initiative, tentatively called "Not Buying Comics Anymore." This is thanks largely to the lousy stories from the New Avengers arc in Amazing until the present, combined with the worry that MJ will be killed (again), mixed ultimately with the fact that the stories are largely influenced on things other than good storytelling and compelling characterization, such as movie tie-in influences (Black Costume return), trade paperback padding (Skin Deep), and earth-shattering revelations / events (Civil War, Sins Past).

I'd be interested to see how they would handle returning Ben, even though I loathe and despise the entire Clone Saga. It is also true that the Clone Saga's "shocking reveal" that Peter was the clone caused me to drop comics all-together back then. I also recognize the irony that I would welcome the return of this upstart when he was the catalyst for my rejection of a passion of mine (Spider-Man comics). At this point, I'd welcome at least one Peter Parker, even an incredible facimily, bouncing around the MU that wasn't completely ******ed.

But it's easier to say that with no emotional investment in the reprecussions of such actions, I will admit.

 

[DarkArachknight]

maybe it wasn't the real ben who disintegrated? i don't know....anyway, it sounds to me like some gimmick. bringing back ben reilly should be a much bigger event than FNSM would be able give it.

 

[mre]

Meh, they ruined Aunt May's death, Gwen's, Ocks, Norman's, Chamelion's, Mysterio's...
Why not bring back Reilly?

 

[Ultimate Hero]

Isn't it possible that it could be a clone of Ben Reilly that Stark has made? Think about it, he obtained is samples to make Thor from when they first formed the Avengers (apparently), so isn't it possible he could have a sample from Reilly? I've not read any of the clone saga to be honest, but it all seems very interesting, so I wouldn't know if Iron Man could have got a hold of something from Ben.

 

[The Joker]

Meh, they ruined Aunt May's death, Gwen's, Ocks, Norman's, Chamelion's, Mysterio's...
Why not bring back Reilly?

May's death in ASM #400 was stupid. She knew Peter was Spidey all that time?? Yeah, that's why she spat venom every time she mentioned Spider-Man. Heck, she even shot at him once. Yeah, sure she knew.

Ock's death was not a thing of greatness like Gwen's or Norman's was. Killed abruptly by a Peter clone. Retcon that garbage post haste. Thank you Marvel.

I'll give you the rest though. Especially Gwen and Norman's.

 

[freemadison]

May's death in ASM #400 was stupid.

BLASPHEMY!

Ock's death was not a thing of greatness like Gwen's or Norman's was. Killed abruptly by a(n) AWESOME Peter clone. Retcon that garbage post haste. Thank you Marvel.

You forgot to insert the word "awesome" inbetween the words "a" (which would then change into "an") and "Peter" so I've taken the liberty of correcting it for you.

I'll give you the rest though. Especially Gwen and Norman's.

Ugh. How overplayed. Gwen Gwen Gwen. Norman Norman Norman.

How about some Ben?

 

[The Joker]

BLASPHEMY!

Sorry, but the continuity thing spoiled it for me. I just couldn't believe Aunt May knew that was Peter under the mask all those years. Not after her history of how she treated Spidey.

You forgot to insert the word "awesome" inbetween the words "a" (which would then change into "an") and "Peter" so I've taken the liberty of correcting it for you.

Whatever makes you happy

Ugh. How overplayed. Gwen Gwen Gwen. Norman Norman Norman.

How about some Ben?

No Bens should be coming back into Spidey's life. Uncles or clones

 

[freemadison]

Whatever makes you happy

Mmmmm...Kaine. Kaine makes me happy.

No Bens should be coming back into Spidey's life. Uncles or clones

*snicker* Why? Cause "dead is dead"? please...Maybe ninjas will ressurect Ben too...

 

[The Joker]

*snicker* Why? Cause "dead is dead"? please

No, because they're characters who do not need to come back. Spidey has enough problems right now, without bringing back clones from the dreaded Clone Saga.

The Clone Saga was hated by most Spidey fans. Leave Reilly dead please. We've had enough lame cheap theatrics in the last 3 years to last a life time.

Maybe ninjas will ressurect Ben too...

Even they cannot do anything with a pile of dust

 

[freemadison]

I think you're underestimating ninjas.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

The clone saga is hardly DREADED. We gain new members every day.

 

[spidey-dude]

I think the main feeling by fans is that the saga was long and drawn out and unenjoyable, but people liked ben, no-one hated ben! (these are not my views I loved the clone saga and felt happy for peter getting his happy ever after instead of throwing a hissy fit, we wouldnt have got all the sins past and other crap etc if we had a young single spiderman all these years)

 

[November Rain]

Truth be told, I wouldn't have started collecting spidey comics if i hadn't come across the clone saga at the time i did.

Truth be told, ben reilly showed some serious heart in his short years and his relationship with parker is nothing short of legendary. I wished spidey had become a father, Ben was the perfect way of showing a care free spidey in comparison to one which had grown up. Especially now.

the relationship i would have seen between ben and peter would have been similar to the one between buffy and faith. They are both slayers but one is a vampire slayer and the other one is THE SLAYER. Hence how spidey manages to go through the events of the other and reilly doesn't because he isn't the chosen ones. They are both at different points in their lives with different pasts and different views on things. They are also the same yet very different. I don't know how anyone can describe Ben as crappy. some of his interactions with peter as well as with his supporting cast have been some of the best pieces of writing i've seen today.

It's a shame that the loss of parker's baby and ben are never mentioned, especially at times when ezekiel turns up and peter pratically denies ever having fought along someone with similar powers to himself (even though he's done it with TWO different people). pity.

In all fairness, unless he's spiderman again, i wouldn't want him around (perhaps only as scarlet for a short time). As much as it pained me to see him go, I'm one of the few who thought his demise and norman's return was done well and it's a shame his efforts aren't acknowledged. Saying this, to have him comeback would cheapen his previous efforts because i just don't think they write characters the way they used to.

 

[freemadison]

Ten Reasons Why A Ben Reilly Return May Be Imminent

1. 10 year anniversary: Revelations Part 4 was released Dec 96. It's been 10 long years since the Clone Saga ended and what better way to celebrate a popularly unpopular story than by bringing back its figurehead.

2. The Ultimate Clone Saga, which has so far been generally well-received by fans, may have served as a barometer regarding CS' popularity and whether or not a Reilly return ought to be warranted. Ironically, Ben Reilly (not the geneticist) is the only character missing from the Ultimate version. Maybe that was intentional, so as to allow a return in the 616 without overplaying the character.

3. Mark Millar: The man currently in charge of Marvel's blockbuster crossover, Civil War, can be considered a clone sympathizer if his 12 issue run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man is taken into account. The first 8 issues heavily hint toward Ben Reilly as being the culprit being Aunt May's kidnapping. Millar mentions Ben Reilly's name numerous times throughout the arc ("Poor ol' Ben Reilly") and even mentions Baby May. He's also the brainchild of the fascistic Pro-Reg side of Civil War, who created the oh so wonderful....

4. Clor: Can of worms. If Tony (and Millar) are willing to go there with Thor, what makes you think he won't do the same with the defecting Peter Parker? This coupled with the fact that Tony has Norman under his eye and the recent references to Ben Reilly in "Civil War Files", means that the most logical return in years may be around the bend.

5. The General Attitude: towards the Clone Saga is better than it has been in years. Finally able to adequately pull out of the rut since reboot, Spidey has been better than he's been in years. Fans are starting to warm up to the idea of a Ben Reilly return (clearly the best character of the clone saga who understandably became the scapegoat of fanboy rage) and the clone saga doesn't seem so bad anymore when we think of certain stories that have come out in recent years like...

6. S** P**t and The Other: Drivel. At least the Clone Saga didn't have sex with Norman Osborn. There was SOOOO much Ben Reilly speculation surrounding The Other. Marvel even released Ben Reilly and Scarlet Spider varient covers to help the fire burn (which is a good thing, Marvel knows that there's a demand).

7. Spider-Girl: has been referencing clone saga characters and events for years and has created a loyal fan base that has managed to pull the fledgling alternate-universe title out of cancellation numerous times. Prominent Clone Saga characters include: Kaine, Darkdevil (Ben Reilly's son with Elizabeth Tyne), Phil Urich, Scriers, Felicity Hardy's Scarlet Spider, and of course, (not so Baby) May Parker wearing her "Uncle Ben's" threads and fighting crime as Spider-Girl. Everyone BUT Ben, leaving fans hungrier for a return to the 616.

8. The Unmasking: Backdoor anyone?

9. Joe Quesada: He's inspired Spider-fan hatred due to his seeming hatred of Peter Parker's happiness and his constant attempts to change Spider-Man's status quo. However, one thing that most of us can agree on is that he's got balls. If there's one person who wouldn't be scared of fan backlash, it's him. Besides, he's been asked twice in the last few months whether or not Ben Reilly would return and he's replied:

Joe Friday

RQ: “loki4ever” - Joe, will we ever see the return of the Scarlet Spider (Ben Reilly) in the 616?


JQ: Not any time soon that I'm aware of. Then again, it's not like I would actually tell you if we were.

AND

SDCC PANEL:
Asked if Marvel would ever consider bringing Ben Reilly back, [Quesada's] answer was a simple one: "Keep reading Spider-Man"

10. Peter David: The reason I'm posting this up.

"NRAMA: What if Ben Reilly returned?

PAD: What makes you think he won't?"

AND FINALLY (duh)

"Finishing proofreading "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man #14." As to what's coming up in that issue, two words: Ben Reilly. I will say no more than that (okay, Deb Whitman and the Vulture). But...Ben Reilly."

-Freemadison

 

[spidey-dude]

great post dude, I hope he comes back, havnt bought a 616 spidey book since bens death, tell a lie I actually bought millars run of mk spidey in tpb but only because I heard it was good and that it referenced ben alot!

 

[shinlyle]

Even if it is, no one wanted Uncle Ben back, but EVERYONE wants Brother Ben back!

Yeah....because bringing back a character that died three times in one issue (heroically, no less) over 10 years ago is probably what everyone wants...

*muffles laughter*

Maybe because that would be stupid. Just me. I think it would shame Ben's memory to bring him back. That's just me. I hated the Clone Saga, mainly because I felt it sucked ass due to its length, but I never really hated Ben. He was just never as good as Peter Parker.

Bringing him back...AGAIN.....that would make me hate him.

 

[shinlyle]

I just like this page....really, I do.

Because Complete Clones Do Not Disintergrate Hence The Spider Skeleton In The Smokestack

Well....it depends. Looking at cellular disintegration as a process that occurs in LIVING cells, the dead Spider-Clone in the smokestack, being dead, wouldn' disintegrate because it was already dead, and the cells would remain in the state in which they died. Ben Reilly's decomposition or disintegration could hav ewell been timed, as many of Spider-Man's clones disintegrated exactly when the Jackal wanted them to, perhaps Ben was "programmed" by the Jackal, at Osborn's demand, to disintegrate after Osborn revealed himself.

Sorry, but if Osborn planned out the WHOLE ENTIRE CLONE SAGA (which is still a lame and stupid resolution), then it is pretty obvious to me that Ben Reilly was programmed along with this plan to disintegrate when his purpose was fulfilled...after all, Osborn would NEVER risk having TWO Spider-Men out there to fight. It would be more than likely that he would hav eBen disintegrate and die at the time he expected to have killed Peter Parker...therefore ridding himself of Spider-Man once and for all.

You REALLY think that the Jackal, being a pawn of Osborn, would DARE double-cross the one funding his own personal revenge against Peter for Gwen's death? I doubt it.

Ben's dead. Let it go. He died a hero, and that should be his legacy. If you insist on enjoying an ongoing product of the Clone Saga, then read The Amazing Spider-Girl every month.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

The fact that his return would piss you off so much pleases me.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Sorry, but the continuity thing spoiled it for me. I just couldn't believe Aunt May knew that was Peter under the mask all those years. Not after her history of how she treated Spidey.

If you read "Life of Reilly," when it came time to give commentary on ASM #400, the editors at the time figured that May would have pieced it together sometime around ASM #200 (the burglar issue), even though it wasn't explicitly stated in the issue.

Now, I haven't really read much of Spider-Man around that period of time. Maybe it's still a faulty argument, but until I see that I'm going to take my info from the source.

 

[spidey-dude]

I just like this page....really, I do.



Well....it depends. Looking at cellular disintegration as a process that occurs in LIVING cells, the dead Spider-Clone in the smokestack, being dead, wouldn' disintegrate because it was already dead, and the cells would remain in the state in which they died. Ben Reilly's decomposition or disintegration could hav ewell been timed, as many of Spider-Man's clones disintegrated exactly when the Jackal wanted them to, perhaps Ben was "programmed" by the Jackal, at Osborn's demand, to disintegrate after Osborn revealed himself.

Sorry, but if Osborn planned out the WHOLE ENTIRE CLONE SAGA (which is still a lame and stupid resolution), then it is pretty obvious to me that Ben Reilly was programmed along with this plan to disintegrate when his purpose was fulfilled...after all, Osborn would NEVER risk having TWO Spider-Men out there to fight. It would be more than likely that he would hav eBen disintegrate and die at the time he expected to have killed Peter Parker...therefore ridding himself of Spider-Man once and for all.

You REALLY think that the Jackal, being a pawn of Osborn, would DARE double-cross the one funding his own personal revenge against Peter for Gwen's death? I doubt it.

Ben's dead. Let it go. He died a hero, and that should be his legacy. If you insist on enjoying an ongoing product of the Clone Saga, then read The Amazing Spider-Girl every month.

clearly that wasnt the case, i mean for god sakes the writers have even admitted it was a freakin mistake to have him disintergrate, even they admitted that wasnt how ben would die, but they were made to end it like that