Better Trilogy: TDK or Captain America?

[Spider-Fan]

Love the strawman Darth

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Love the strawman Darth

Thank you for confirming your argument is based on a strawman.

 

[Snow Queen]

I like Begins quite a bit, but I put Rises above it easily. Rises has it's issues, namely it could stand to be a bit longer, but I much prefer it for Bruce's character arc of finding the will to live again, better antagonist and general quality of craftsmanship on screen. Despite how large some of these movies get, going so far as planetary and universe-wide threats, I've yet to have one of them feel as epic in scale as Rises. And I appreciate that immensely.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Keep telling yourself that Darth

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Keep telling yourself that Darth

What did our precious Snow Queen do to you, to call for such a response?

 

[Snow Queen]

Keep telling yourself that

Thanks, I will.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like Begins quite a bit, but I put Rises above it easily. Rises has it's issues, namely it could stand to be a bit longer, but I much prefer it for Bruce's character arc of finding the will to live again, better antagonist and general quality of craftsmanship on screen. Despite how large some of these movies get, going so far as planetary and universe-wide threats, I've yet to have one of them feel as epic in scale as Rises. And I appreciate that immensely.

But is Rises just a rehash of Begins, Snow?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thanks, I will.

Comment was for Darth, lol

 

[Snow Queen]

But is Rises just a rehash of Begins, Snow?

I wouldn't say so. A few broad points, maybe, but the overall stories are wildly different, especially in their central arcs.

Comment was for Darth, lol

I know, I was just being an ******* about it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

One last thing on the rehash argument. Bruce's arc is so wildly different in all three films, to even suggest they are rehashes do to a few plot points seems... bizarre. And that is something I really appreciate about Nolan's trilogy. Each film is about Bruce Wayne, in a clearly different place in his life. And the films reflect that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

One last thing on the rehash argument. Bruce's arc is so wildly different in all three films, to even suggest they are rehashes do to a few plot points seems... bizarre. And that is something I really appreciate about Nolan's trilogy. Each film is about Bruce Wayne, in a clearly different place in his life. And the films reflect that.

Basically Darth, we are not going to agree so I am not carrying this debate on. I am glad it works for you, truly I am. You see Bruce's arc one way, all I see is Nolan basically doing what they did in Ghostbusters II. The Ghostbusters in number 2 were not starting new a business, they were dealing with where their lives went after the company fell before they were needed again. Their arc is different. But the film itself feels too samey. That's my issue. I also have issues with the reason he retired and the fact they made him a hermit who doesn't leave his house for 8 years. Spotting who Batman is in that world is astonishingly easy. I have other issues with it as well.

But again, I do not really want to debate this endlessly for pages on end. These are my views on the film. It works for you, that is great. You do you. But, it doesn't change how I view the film.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Basically Darth, we are not going to agree so I am not carrying this debate on. I am glad it works for you, truly I am. You see Bruce's arc one way, all I see is Nolan basically doing what they did in Ghostbusters II. The Ghostbusters in number 2 were not starting new a business, they were dealing with where their lives went after the company fell before they were needed again. Their arc is different. But the film itself feels too samey. That's my issue. I also have issues with the reason he retired and the fact they made him a hermit who doesn't leave his house for 8 years. Spotting who Batman is in that world is astonishingly easy. I have other issues with it as well.

But again, I do not really want to debate this endlessly for pages on end. These are my views on the film. It works for you, that is great. You do you. But, it doesn't change how I view the film.

That is the same out of retirement story ever. Though the difference here was the idea that Bruce actually succeeded.

Bruce is not a hermit for 8 years. At the party it stated that no one has seen him at one of those Dent celebration in years, after first indicating he might not have been at one at all. But that means he has been at at least one. It is 3 years before the start of TDKR (main story, not prologue) that the problem with the green project come up. Which is most likely when he stopped going out at all.

 

[honestbharani]

Looks like TheBatman and DarthSkywalker are having a hard time accepting the reality that many consider TDKR was a pretty average movie and that people can legitimately rate the Cap trilogy as a better trio of movies than the TDK trilogy, MCU or no MCU. Just cheapens their opinions when it is so full of "I know better and if you don't vote for TDK, you are just a Marvel shill".. Wish they actually had a point apart from "the movie is good coz I think so".

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

Looks like you're having a hard time accepting that movie taste are biased and a lot of people think that TDKR is a great movie.

"TDKR is an average movie" is not a reality. It's your opinion.

 

[honestbharani]

Looks like you're having a hard time accepting that movie taste are biased and a lot of people think that TDKR is a great movie.

"TDKR is an average movie" is not a reality. It's your opinion.

Did you not respond to one of my earlier posts saying what you post is obviously your opinion? Anyways, the poll results show the reality and that is the end of that. And TDKR being an average movie is "a" reality to almost 47% of the people who voted in this poll so far, at least. I think that makes it legitimate enough, irrespective of how it may rate in your scale.


EDIT: Your point on it being an opinion is fair enough and I have edited my original post to reflect that. Cheers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Looks like TheBatman and DarthSkywalker are having a hard time accepting the reality that TDKR was a pretty average movie and that people can legitimately rate the Cap trilogy as a better trio of movies than the TDK trilogy, MCU or no MCU. Just cheapens their opinions when it is so full of "I know better and if you don't vote for TDK, you are just a Marvel shill".. Wish they actually had a point apart from "the movie is good coz I think so".

Did you dream up some conversation that never happened, while trying to place your opinion of TDKR as fact, while trying to act like I was stating my opinion on it as fact?

 

[Hammer!]

TDKR does have some uninspired rehashes of BB, but that’s not even in the top fifteen problems that movie has.

 

[honestbharani]

Did you dream up some conversation that never happened, while trying to place your opinion of TDKR as fact, while trying to act like I was stating my opinion on it as fact?

Lol.. I am simply responding to your posts here. Its not hard to figure out what you are basically trying to say. And its fair enough about my post, I have edited it since to show it is indeed an opinion, just like yours on TDKR and the TDKT.

 

[C. Lee]

For me....the best trilogy between the choices of TDK or Cap....would go to Cap.

The Cap movies got better as the trilogy progressed while the TDK movies got worse.

This of course is all my opinion....and since my opinion is what rattles around in my head way more than anyone else's....it's the opinion that matters to me.

 

[honestbharani]

The problem that TDKR had, for me, was the opposite of what made me love TDK so much. TDK made me care so much for Batman and TDKR made me not give a damn for that guy, even though I had been on this journey with that character from BB. And then every other plothole, character inconsistencies, needless heel/face turns, questionable action choreography, contrived spiels about socialism just became so much more harder to sit through. TDK had a few of these problems too but when a movie gets you so invested in its lead, its easier to miss the other issues the movie has while watching the movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Lol.. I am simply responding to your posts here. Its not hard to figure out what you are basically trying to say. And its fair enough about my post, I have edited it since to show it is indeed an opinion, just like yours on TDKR and the TDKT.

When did I call someone a Marvel shill? When?

 

[The Batman]

Did you dream up some conversation that never happened, while trying to place your opinion of TDKR as fact, while trying to act like I was stating my opinion on it as fact?

I was actually going to bother to respond to that guy, but this pretty much sums it up.

 

[Hammer!]

The problem that TDKR had, for me, was the opposite of what made me love TDK so much. TDK made me care so much for Batman and TDKR made me not give a damn for that guy, even though I had been on this journey with that character from BB. And then every other plothole, character inconsistencies, needless heel/face turns, questionable action choreography, contrived spiels about socialism just became so much more harder to sit through. TDK had a few of these problems too but when a movie gets you so invested in its lead, its easier to miss the other issues the movie has while watching the movie.

Baffling, clumsy, lazy plot contrivances, uninteresting and flat new characters taking up nearly all the screen time of the first two film’s joyful supporting cast, and at times horrible interpretations of the Batman character and mythos are some but not nearly all of my chief grievances. Also, simply, the movie is way too long for such a simplistic plot, and the film is a tedious chore from beginning to end. The film is a slow burn of boring, occasionally nonsensical setups to equally disappointing payoffs.

 

[BigThor]

I voted Cap's trilogy, but it was by the skin of it's teeth both trilogies are awesome.

 

[Man in the Suit]

The Dark Knight Trilogy

-Better direction
-Better scripts
-Better acting
-Better cinematography
-Doesn't have bad green screen/CGI
-Doesn't rely on movies outside of the trilogy for character stuff