Bought/Thought 071206 (Spoilers of course)

[PhotoJones]

Remember, this is supposed to be a partial political allegory, and the ultimate thing a "liberal" can do is agree to be jailed for "standing against their country and for their beliefs".

as opposed to a "conservative" who'll just have the law changed to fit their beliefs.

 

[Darthphere]

as opposed to a "conservative" who'll just have the law changed to fit their beliefs.

Are you talking about the SHRA? Because if you are, thats mostly a liberal leaning law, its on par with gun control and things of that nature.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Marvel Knights no longer exists. Marvel nixed th' line deeming it unecessary. Now they just do Marvel Knight-esque stories under th' regular banner.

 

[PhotoJones]

Are you talking about the SHRA? Because if you are, thats mostly a liberal leaning law, its on par with gun control and things of that nature.

uh...no, it's not.

a law like the shra is very conservative leaning. stripping people of civil rights in order to "protect" them is something right out of the conservative playbook.

 

[Darthphere]

uh...no, it's not.

a law like the shra is very conservative leaning. stripping people of civil rights in order to "protect" them is something right out of the conservative playbook.

Sorry but it is, its not really stripping anyone of its civil rights when it coems down to it, considering there nothing that says, you have the right to wear a mask and fight bad guys. Its more like gun control and its more of liberal leaning law because of that. I think Millar even stated this once.

 

[PhotoJones]

Sorry but it is, its not really stripping anyone of its civil rights when it coems down to it, considering there nothing that says, you have the right to wear a mask and fight bad guys. Its more like gun control and its more of liberal leaning law because of that. I think Millar even stated this once.

i think you're a little confused about the politics here.

and i think you've misread whatever millar quote you saw.

when it comes down to it, the shra is a direct allegory to what the bush administration is doing.

 

[Darthphere]

i think you're a little confused about the politics here.

and i think you've misread whatever millar quote you saw.

when it comes down to it, the shra is a direct allegory to what the bush administration is doing.

Im not confused at all. The allegory doesnt work the way Millar apparently wants to because the SHRA is an act put in place to protect the people (citizens of the MU) from weapons (this being Superheroes) its a lot similar to gun control. The aspect of them working for the government and being tracked is conservative, so ill give you that.

 

[PhotoJones]

Im not confused at all. The allegory doesnt work the way Millar apparently wants to because the SHRA is an act put in place to protect the people (citizens of the MU) from weapons (this being Superheroes) its a lot similar to gun control. The aspect of them working for the government and being tracked is conservative, so ill give you that.

and that's my point.

forcing people into something, tracking them, and jailing them all in the name of "protection" is a very conservative view. which, also, is what the bush administration prides itself on.

so i think the allegory to gun control is a little weak.

 

[Darthphere]

Maybe youre weak.

 

[PhotoJones]

Maybe youre weak.

yeah...maybe?

 

[Darthphere]

Ok then....

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Marvel Knights no longer exists. Marvel nixed th' line deeming it unecessary. Now they just do Marvel Knight-esque stories under th' regular banner.

with their rating system its no longer necessary. MK was always to tell more adult stories right? well there's a max line for that(even if it sounds far more extreme). having said that, i miss marvel knights books They were usually a good balance of adult themes and classic comic storytelling

 

[PWN3R]

Man for a review thread, this sure has alot of reviews

GR #1 Short but sweet, I picked this up at of curiosity, hate Way though, I'll still give it a shot, sexy sexy art.

Ms. Marvel #5 This book is good, but I mean its just like "yeah that wasnt bad" good, you know? I'll wait to see if the Civil War tie ins hold my interest, if not....

Iron Man #10 I will admit, this has been a solid arc, and Im really enjoying it. But it REALLY annoys me about the blatant continuity errors with Nick Fury. He is on a shield heli-carrier?! Plus the NEW Avengers show up in this, so its not like this was a long time ago.

Squradon Supreme #5 Yeah, hey guys Im a christian, if I have a daughter, and she gets raped, I'm gonna disown her.

The Christian guy's writing was lame on JMS's part, just for shocks. Although the little girl getting revenge was freakin awesome. This book is loosing my interest really fast, but Nighthawk shows up next issue, so I'm still in.

Ultimate Spiderman #97 Man I havent read this book in a while, but the lines between Kitty and Peter and Mj were great, reminded me of high school. That stuff was better than the action, but I enjoyed this issue, I might start reading this again.

Ultimate F4 #31 Man, this book is OWNING, OWNING I SAY! That pen/teleporter moment was great, I was like , then turn the page and saw Sue saying morons, I was like . Great fast paced issue, effin loved it!

Civil War Frontline #3 Haha, go Speedball! Although I dont see how he doesnt think its not his fault. He is partly to blame, you know cuz HE attacked them. Good stuff though....

 

[Kotagg]

HOLY SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I assume you read that part at the bottom Roach. I feel all tingly inside, since I deducedwho it was before that page even went up.

 

[roach]

I assume you read that part at the bottom Roach. I feel all tingly inside, since I deducedwho it was before that page even went up.

I read New World Order and loved it...that was awesome

 

[keap]

hey...does anyone know whats up with the fish guy from civil war: frontline 3????

 

[moffball]

Civil War: Front Line #3

Ultimate Spider-Man #97

Sensational Spider-Man #28

The Escapists #1 > I didn't see any reviews for this one, but trust me, you NEED to read it. Best comic I have read in MONTHS!

Iron West

 

[Darthphere]

I didnt even know te Escapist came out this week and my shop didnt have any damnit!

 

[marcofthebeast]

Yeah, my shop didn't have it either.

 

[Darthphere]

I have failed Vaughan.

 

[marcofthebeast]

The guy at my local shop looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language. I'm gonna go to a further, larger shop next week and hope they still have it.

 

[moffball]

With them being only $1 (and no ads), I'm not surprised! Go get it though!

 

[PWN3R]

My shop didnt have it either, I'm gonna have to order it.

 

[Dread]

Both Darthphere and photojones2 have a point; gun control laws are not the best example, and CW is a political allegory that is leaning left.

The SHRA is basically an act that takes away the civil liberties and rights of privacy of superheroes in the name of reacting (or overreacting) to the Stamford Incident, in which there was an explosion, a lot of deaths, and the true culpret remains ignored and uncaptured. Twist this towards real life and its is in response to what has happened post 9/11 in America, with acts such as PATRIOT ACT and wiretapping and the "war in Iraq while Osama remains free" and all that stuff that Liberals bleat on and on about. The SHRA is a "sacrificing confidentiality for security, even if it means targetting a dozen innocent heroes to catch one guilty one", which is not an uncommon allegory. MINORITY REPORT basically posed a simular one. Plus, it ties into some of the X-Men related "mutant registration act", y'know, persecuting people because of POTENTIAL danger, not something they've actually done.

To give credit, CW is not nearly as one-sided and simplistic as the Extremist Liberal bleating of ULTIMATES 2, and FRONTLINE #3 showed something rare; an incident amung two inexperienced superheroes that showed that the SHRA does have a point, even if it is an overreaction; Thunderclap is clearly reckless, and reckless acts of untrained heroes can result in property damage and death. The dilemma is that Thunderclap is hardly the norm for superheroes, but the exception in many ways.

Every time Captain America "turns his back on America because he disagrees with where the nation is headed", it has always been when a president unpopular with Liberals has been in office. All three times.

Gun control laws may not be the best example, but CW is clearly intended to be a timely sort of allegory against things the nation has and currently is doing under the current administration. Its not surprising, really, because comics have always leaned left and always will. The key is crafting stories that are beyond "conservatives suck" and at times dealing with a middle-ground. CW has done that so far to some extent. Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic are not unreasonable, in fact it is their "reason" and intellect that is leading them in this "inevitable" direction. The SHRA is an overreaction, but that does not mean it is totally without merit in theory. It could be refined, perhaps made more "optional", or the agents instead of rounding up ANY unregistered hero, simply ones who have a history of being reckless.

Ironically, the concept of enrolling superheroes in a federal agency and making them federal employees, thus "expanding" gov't and adding to the federal payroll, could also be considered a Liberal point; classically, they are the ones in favor of "bigger gov't" in some ways. Granted, in actual practice, both sides are perfectly willing to use the gov't to get things done to accomplish a goal if they are in power. The thing that disturbs me in the polarizing in America since 2004 is that people become so transfixed on one side vs. the other that they utterly fail to see how alike Liberals and Conservatives are when it comes to what gets done for the people, how they use power, what kinds of people we elect, and the same problems that roll on and continue, year after year, because we're too busy being divided that we fail to see that both are two sides of the same coin. The more I learn about politics, the more I believe that at heart its become a perverse game of chess amung two groups of elites, with everyone else as pawns. When one side wins, it is more about pride or power than actual change, as a status quo is very beneficial to those in the upper crust.

But onto comics. Anyone know who the woman in spandex and the blue caped guy from FRONTLINE #3 are? Because I'm clueless.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Dread....

What was the date of caps last big 'stripped from service arc' ..i could swear it was from the clinton era...time seems to fly to much. Wasnt it around the same time as force works 96-97 ish?

I agree that there is a certain "intended ambiguity" to the political message of the Civil war Arc...And, I at least think, that we both agree that it is not as clouded as marvel smartniks think it is actually coming across.

It is a liberal message. And marvel has been crafty to jade Caps stance as either liberal democrat or Libertarian..crafty yet dubious, becuase i know this is a smokescreen , and most of the writers of cap for years have disregarded caps "soldier past" and his nationalism...and want , at their core to turn him into something "international" ala the travesty that has been done with superman. Maybe I am pre judging marvel writers , but for the most part I consider them most of them un qualified to write about cap...especially Bendis and millar. Brubaker, who writes the main book gets lost in the shuffle. To bad he is doing a near brilliant job with cap right now and is totally getting F-ed over by marvel with 'quintessential' runs in 2 books (and x-men may make 3). In brubaker's books, cap seems to shine , and seems much more relevant. Millar seems to only use heroes such as cap as some grand scheming plot... To me, Millar's characters are hollow. Both in Ultimates and Civil war. Marvel gives this guy waay too much play...and the mis-charicterizations are running amok...

lets list them thus far...

Speedball = a leader who looks like he has a deathwish.
night thrasher= some guy who forged the team getting in,like 3 words before he croaks..and also suddenly surrending his leadership mantra.

Thor (ultimates)- a whiney worthless character(at least in the ultimates book), Even Ed McG said this basically in his wizard interview. Thor is a freakin god!...he doesnt say stuff bad about humans embracing war and such.He drinks mead, battles, and lays women to waste...he is conan with a touch of Solomon kane.
Cap (ultimates)- geez I actually came off liking him(certainly unintentionally) but waaay different than his previous ultimate personality. Seems like the guy millar hated in high school becuase he was good looking, good at sports, and got the chicks.
Cap (616)-too hasty.Cap would never choose violence ala amercian versu american under any scale such as this...this is long term war and somthing that would imply an overthrow of the politicol system...not buying cap would do this.
Tony stark (both utlimates and 616) waay to ruthless...waay to quick to forget past friendships.

about 50 others that I could list.

Time to stop pandering your whole universe...(more like OUR universe) to writers like millar.

I would add to your thoughts, that this could also be interpreted as "extreme gun control" , a liberal mainstay..but so sorry marvel, its just not what I detect.