Bought/Thought 4/29/09 Spoilers

[moraldeficiency]

To anyone that's read it: How was the loki story in the cabal thing?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It was good. The Doom story was utterly pointless and the White Queen story was decent but ham-fistedly constructed to try and convince us that she would totally join the Illuminaughty in spite of her reform, which I still have a hard time believing. I skipped the Hood and Namor stories but I'll probably come back to them at some point. Loki's story is the best of those three I mentioned. I'm curious to know what Doom lacks that Loki can provide...

 

[moraldeficiency]

Uh, loki can actually use magic effectively for one. Loki's also a master manipulator where doom's "do as I say or die" attitude lacks the ability to inspire much other than fear. Also doom would be boring as hell at parties but you know loki would bring on the fun.

Spoiler me with the story, por favor, I doubt I'll buy it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Basically, it starts with Loki and Doom having dinner. Loki notes that the food is poisoned, then the room seals, then the paintings of Doom on the walls start spewing fire into it. The servants die and Loki completely ignores them. Then Doom tells him he's satisfied that he truly is Loki and tells him to exit the room, which Loki does by physically tearing through the metal door sealing it. Loki proposes an alliance between the two of them, separate from their membership in the Cabal, which would allow the Asgardians to move to Latveria so that Loki can divide them, undermine Balder, and ultimately ascend to the throne in exchange for the aforementioned thing Doom lacks. It never gets more specific than that. This is the actual text:

Doom: I see what you might have to gain by this, Loki. But what of Doom?
Loki: You are supreme ruler of your own state. You are feared. You are the mighty Victor Von Doom. But there is one thing that you lack. I think I can help you get it.
(Doom thinks about it for a panel.)
Doom: Latveria is not so very different from Asgard. They [the Asgardians] should feel quite at home here.
"See Thor #601 for what's happening next!"

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Uh, loki can actually use magic effectively for one. Loki's also a master manipulator where doom's "do as I say or die" attitude lacks the ability to inspire much other than fear. Also doom would be boring as hell at parties but you know loki would bring on the fun.

Spoiler me with the story, por favor, I doubt I'll buy it.

You read this week's Dark Avengers? Doom was wielding the hell out of his magic.....for once.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Thanks, and that's interesting.... it could be a lot of different things of course depending on what the writer's going with from his mother being alive again, to immortality or godhood, to the rear view mirror for a 1956 Volkswagon Karmann Ghia.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was thinking godhood, myself. The gods have elevated mortals to god status before.

You read this week's Dark Avengers? Doom was wielding the hell out of his magic.....for once.

Didn't they mention recently that Doom's been going through time, picking up magic tips from the great sorcerers? I thought that was how he started f***ing Morgan Le Fey.

 

[moraldeficiency]

You read this week's Dark Avengers? Doom was wielding the hell out of his magic.....for once.

Of course not, it's a bendis written avengers book and I don't hate myself enough to do that (actually to be fair I checked out the first issue, but compared to the awesomeness that was ellis' thunderbolts, this is a poor man's photocopy).

But I'll guess at some point and time doom's **** will backfire on him horribably, it's part of his charm with magic. Though from what I understand doom's in that situation because of magic and he actively needed to call in norman osborn for help, so yeah.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but all Doom's magic is dark and forbidden(see Voldemort lol). God, what is Strange doing w/ his life!? :

The way he "beat" Morgana was pretty stupid though. It was something a hero would do.

 

[moraldeficiency]

The DA stuff I've read did seem like bendis wanted them to be villan-heroes rather than what they were with ellis which was basically psychopaths with a good PR machine and an even bigger psychopath keeping them in line.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, they're def not Thunderbolt-y at all. Venom actually seems like a decent guy sometimes....and that's something that should NEVER be said.

The ends of Civil War and Secret Invasion could be seen a mile away. I have no clue how Dark Reign will end. The heroes don't seem to have any way to reclaim their rightful place as our protectors. I'm thinking that whenever Osborn's "Cabal" decides to finally screw each other over, the good guys will swoop in.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I loved how Herc and Athena used that against them in iHerc. Osborn was so annoyed that he actually had to rescue people from that ship Herc sank in order to keep up appearances.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, they're def not Thunderbolt-y at all. Venom actually seems like a decent guy sometimes....and that's something that should NEVER be said.

The ends of Civil War and Secret Invasion could be seen a mile away. I have no clue how Dark Reign will end. The heroes don't seem to have any way to reclaim their rightful place as our protectors. I'm thinking that whenever Osborn's "Cabal" decides to finally screw each other over, the good guys will swoop in.

I wish rather than taking Ellis' idea and running with it (he was the guy that came up with the norman rises to power being a scumbag/psychopath) they would have just let him run with his own idea.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

If Bendis had taken it in his own direction, The Hood would be even more important and less deserving of said importance than he already is. Bendis seems to really love that guy and I'd rather deal with Norman than Parker.

 

[bryanss3]

I like the Hood. Bendis can't write him good for s*** though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd rather Loki and Doom take over already.

 

[bryanss3]

Yeah Its so silly thinking about anyone in the Cabal taking orders from Osborn. good thing he's always got the mystery door if they step out of line

 

[moraldeficiency]

As long as he's just dormammu's hand puppet I'm okay with the hood as being very powerful. This is a guy that ****ing created satannish out of nothing, so I'm cool with parker being super powered only as long as he's the unwitting dupe (like ghost rider before he became a ****ing angel) in the mad powerlord's scheme. When loki finds out about that the **** is really gonna hit the fan.

But if bendis had taken it in his own direction obviously the hood would become a chick and the only person that could stop her would be jessica jones.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

As long as he's just dormammu's hand puppet I'm okay with the hood as being very powerful. This is a guy that ****ing created satannish out of nothing, so I'm cool with parker being super powered only as long as he's the unwitting dupe (like ghost rider before he became a ****ing angel) in the mad powerlord's scheme. When loki finds out about that the **** is really gonna hit the fan.

But if bendis had taken it in his own direction obviously the hood would become a chick and the only person that could stop her would be jessica jones.

When Loki finds out that Dormammu is the power behind The Hood, you mean?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This week's Skaar was the best issue of the series so far. Everything about it was amazing. It's hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that the guy who wrote this is the same guy who writes War Machine; that's how good it was.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

See, I wasn't feelin this week's Skaar at all. I don't get the character at all, his actions seem so random. I need to get in his head!

 

[Harlekin]

Wow, Uncanny's pretty bad.

Also, for a Welsh girl, Pixie is decidedly unlike a Welsh girl.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

How so? The extent of my knowledge of Welsh girls comes from Gavin and Stacey.

See, I wasn't feelin this week's Skaar at all. I don't get the character at all, his actions seem so random. I need to get in his head!

He's a savage barbarian who's got an inherent streak of goodness in him, but it's clouded by all the pain and destruction he's seen throughout his short life. He helped those too weak to help themselves and because of that, he's been declared a savior, which puts a lot of pressure on him and clashes with the destructive streak in him. So he does genuinely want to help his people on Sakaar--who seem to be basically the weak and oppressed rather than any specific one of the many races on Sakaar--but his mind is always geared toward destruction, so even when he tries to help them, he usually does so by attempting to kill or harm something else. He's a man at odds with himself because of the harshness of his life vs. his inherent decency--a living nature vs. nurture conflict, essentially.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

That makes way more sense w/o "Sakaarson this" and "Oldstrong that". Maybe it's the actual details of the planet that confuse me cuz that made perfect sense haha. Get Skaar's ass to Earth already

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, yeah, the narrator confused me for a while. I didn't get what was going on with that until it actually formed itself into Caiera. Then I realized that Caiera's soul somehow became the spirit of the planet through the Oldstrong power, which has always had some kind of bond with the planet. So Skaar literally is the son of Sakaar now.