Breaking Bad - Part 10

[Broseph44]

This show is beyond "team this or team that" imo.

Yea it's a shame that something as BB's character development has been diluted to Twilight-esque team associations.

Agree with both of you, doesn't make any sense to me at all this "team" non sense.

 

[Kane52630]

Indeed.

 

[Piper Maru]

So what role will Charlie Rose have in Breaking Bad? Will he be playing as himself and interviewing someone about the manhunt for Heisenberg?

 

[TheFuture]

Didn't Vince Gilligan basically come out and say that if you hate Skyler you're watching the show wrong and probably a misogynist?

Easier for him to suggest that than to admit that he's created a character that seems to randomly and constantly flip flop between horror at what her husband her does and willing conspirator.

Don't forget that the woman who displayed horror at Hank's murder is the same woman who essentially demanded a hit be put out on Jesse.

So yeah, what's one more body as long as it's not close to home.

 

[Liam_H]

Difference between Jesse being dead and Hank being dead to her. Made perfect sense why she would be okay with one and not the other.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I do believe that people rooted for certain characters over others before Twilight, guys.

 

[TheFuture]

Difference between Jesse being dead and Hank being dead to her. Made perfect sense why she would be okay with one and not the other.

I'm well aware that there's a difference, but murder is still murder. Just because she doesn't know Jesse that doesn't make demanding his death any less horrific, especially given Walt's insistence that he didn't want to do it due to the bond he had with him.

Aaaaaaaaad........she was horrified with Hank's death, but okay with framing him as a drug lord and murderer which potentially could have seen Hank locked away for life.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

I do believe that people rooted for certain characters over others before Twilight, guys.

Whether it started with Twilight or not, his point is still just as valid. Everything is about being on a "team" these days. It's a laughable excess of fanboyism and I genuinely wonder if people who identify with or root for Walt are mature enough to understand what the show's about.

 

[Liam_H]

She already knows Walt has killed to protect himself. So all his talk about all for family can't hold true if he can't do what's necessary when someone she doesn't know at all goes AWOL. She already accepted at that point to alienate Hank and Marie and wouldn't risk all that for Jesse.

Skyler was okay with using it a threat but it was never meant to have been implemented.

 

[Kane52630]

An hour and half maybe?

 

[Piper Maru]

An hour and half maybe?

YES!!!!!! Someone gatorade me.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'm well aware that there's a difference, but murder is still murder. Just because she doesn't know Jesse that doesn't make demanding his death any less horrific, especially given Walt's insistence that he didn't want to do it due to the bond he had with him.

Aaaaaaaaad........she was horrified with Hank's death, but okay with framing him as a drug lord and murderer which potentially could have seen Hank locked away for life.

I think the reality of the situation hit home for her in a way it never had before. I don't think she ever anticipated that Walt's actions would result in Hank dying (at least not at Walt's hands, which is what she believes in that scene). I suppose that's pretty ironic since he's a DEA agent, but still... family and all that.

Jesse, in contrast, is a huge part of what got Walt (and her) into this mess, and she probably views his death as the removal of a cancer cell.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Whether it started with Twilight or not, his point is still just as valid. Everything is about being on a "team" these days. It's a laughable excess of fanboyism and I genuinely wonder if people who identify with or root for Walt are mature enough to understand what the show's about.

Meh, people have always 'taken sides' when it comes to fictional characters in stories they like. It's not my thing, but I find it a fairly natural reaction when people get really invested in something.

 

[Kane52630]

Ah I just looked it up, it's going to be 10 minutes longer.

 

[Liam_H]

It seems the final two episodes will be about 15 mins longer each. At least according to my listings.

 

[Kane52630]

They were already about 5 mins over in the past few episodes.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Meh, people have always 'taken sides' when it comes to fictional characters in stories they like. It's not my thing, but I find it a fairly natural reaction when people get really invested in something.

True. As kids, reading X-Men comics or watching the cartoon (or movie), I'm sure many of us picked a side between Wolverine and Cyclops, not just in there love for Jean, but in their constant friction.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

As far as Skyler goes, I'm not excusing her either. She's incredibly weak morally and I think also in denial about the consequences of her actions. She thinks she's exhibiting den-mother strength when she advocates killing Jesse, but she's just showing fear and rashness. Walter is also incredibly immoral, but the difference is he has convictions, while Skyler acts on impulse and opportunity mostly (not that Walter doesn't, but at least his decisions are a bit better planned and lead towards a goal). But I don't hate her, because I think the actor does a great job in giving us a nuanced and morally confused character. If I hate a character it's usually because I think a character is pointless and the actor's portrayal terrible; see Dana Brody on 'Homeland.'

 

[georgec]

^ I don't think Skyler's in denial. She's fully aware of her complicity, but she chose to 'support' Walt this season because otherwise she could have gone to prison and lost her kids.

It doesn't mean she isn't guilty of making bad or immoral decisions. Skyler resents herself for going along with Walt all this time, but she was in so deep she had no choice but to ride it out until the end.

 

[Hush]

Whether it started with Twilight or not, his point is still just as valid. Everything is about being on a "team" these days. It's a laughable excess of fanboyism and I genuinely wonder if people who identify with or root for Walt are mature enough to understand what the show's about.

So maturity is tied directly into whether a person likes one character over another and it decides an opinion of what people think the show is about? Couldn't people just like Walt because of Cranstons near perfect performance? Or maybe they like Walt because he is bad and it's fun to watch someone who was so homely at first just break. People have different tastes.

 

[Liam_H]

They were already about 5 mins over in the past few episodes.

Really, cause I seem to remember almost all the episodes this half season being around 46-47 mins without commercials.

 

[TheFuture]

She already knows Walt has killed to protect himself. So all his talk about all for family can't hold true if he can't do what's necessary when someone she doesn't know at all goes AWOL. She already accepted at that point to alienate Hank and Marie and wouldn't risk all that for Jesse.

But Jesse isn't just another obstacle that needs to be steamrolled, Walt actually emphasised that when talking to Skyler. This is someone that Walt cares (or cared about) deeply about, that's what I loved about Rabid Dog because he hammered home the point that Walt really does see Jesse as almost family.

But Skyler didn't care about that. She could have listened to and trusted Walt's judgement, but instead demanded that he be dealt with.

Skyler was okay with using it a threat but it was never meant to have been implemented.

Well then she was really, stupidly, naive to be so short sighted.

 

[Liam_H]

That's why it makes sense from Skyler's point of view. She has no affection for Jesse she doesn't see him as family at all. Whatever Walt feels for him still doesn't make him family, especially after he almost burned their house down.

Both her and Walt believe it was never to actually be used, only as a threat. Because without hard evidence on Walt, both families would be dragged through hell. And if they ever thought that would happen Walt might have just moved them away since he will not kill Hank or Marie.

 

[Piper Maru]

 

[Piper Maru]