Breaking Bad - Part 10

[Lord]

So, is Dexter's last season bad or just a disapointment? Which seasons of Dexter are weaker and is the show itself worth watching?

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I don't feel sorry for him, at all.

Plus 1.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jesse was working on some kind of an escape plan, it looks like he's tinkering on something in that pic.

So, is Dexter's last season bad or just a disapointment? Which seasons of Dexter are weaker and is the show itself worth watching?

I pretty much took a wait and sea approach this season but everything I've read and heard from people who have watched it has led me to conclude this season is a total disaster.

But if you do want to watch good Dexter definitely catch season 1,2 and 4. I think 3 and 5 are totally watchable but they are not "great" tv by any means. The first half of 7 is exciting and then loses a lot of steam later on. 6 and it looks like 8 are irredeemably bad.

 

[StrainedEyes]

So, is Dexter's last season bad or just a disapointment? Which seasons of Dexter are weaker and is the show itself worth watching?

Dexter starts going down hill after Season 4. I think it is very much worth watching up to that point, 1, 2, and 3 are great with some scattered dumb moments and plot lines. I am not watching this season (nor the previous one), but reading what is happening it sounds just plain bad. The writers clearly had very little plan going into these last two seasons and it just sounds completely dumb.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jesse was working on some kind of an escape plan, it looks like he's tinkering on something in that pic.



I pretty much took a wait and sea approach this season but everything I've read and heard from people who have watched it has led me to conclude this season is a total disaster.

But if you do want to watch good Dexter definitely catch season 1,2 and 4. I think 3 and 5 are totally watchable but they are not "great" tv by any means. The first half of 7 is exciting and then loses a lot of steam later on. 6 and it looks like 8 are irredeemably bad.

One thing I want to clarify SPOILERS IN THAT ARTICLE FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T UP TO DATE ON BB OR DEXTER.

Going off Spideyfan, 1, 2, and 4 are very good. I would say 1 and 4 are great, and rank up there (for me personally) as two of the best seasons of TV I've ever seen.

I've been watching the last season...and it's just not very good. It's filled with poorly constructed plot points, characters randomly changing motivations, or characters just acting incredibly stupid. And it's incredibly frustrating because Dexter used to be SO GOOD!

I would agree that 3 and 5 are watchable, but I would probably say 3 is my least favorite because it is just very dull. Season 7 started off very good but lost steam, and season 6...see that is a tricky one. Many people refer to it as horrible, but the first half of 6 was actually great. It set up for some very interesting morality questions for Dex to face...only to completely discard them by the end. So it started off wonderfully, and ended quite horribly.

But all that said, at the very least watch the first four seasons of Dexter. And if you're really strapped for time, watch the first season.

 

[Mister J]

Yeah I don't think I will be bidding on those.

..and thanks for fixing up my posts MJ. (I'm a bit off today) :/

Well, there is other stuff available, but nothing makes an impact quite like the tighty-whities.

No worries.

I don't feel sorry for him, at all.

You're not the only one who doesn't.

 

[Lord]

Lol, reading all this makes me glad i picked Breaking Bad instead of Dexter, doesn't mean i won't ever watch Dexter, hell i even watched the first 2 episodes months ago and liked them, but when Season 5 of Breaking Bad (before i started watching it) was on hiatus i wanted to watch a good show and between many names like Lost i ended up trying Breaking Bad.

The guy who recomended it to me last year hasn't even watched the 5th season, he says he didn't like the 4th Season due to it being too slow. Considering it was the first season he didn't watch in a row, but while it was airing, and that the same happened with him with the 3rd season of Game of Thrones in which he said this one was slow too i'm starting to believe watching the episodes weekly probably influenced his choice to drop the show.

 

[BatLobster]

You guys are heartless to not feel bad for Jesse.

I wish there was an alternate ending of BB where the end of episode 5 BEFORE Jack's gang comes was how things ended up for everyone.

(I know that'd be a bad and hollow ending for the show, but I want it for the characters).

 

[Travesty]

You guys are heartless to not feel bad for Jesse.

"Heartless"? Jesse isn't some kind of saint. Even if Walt was in the same position as Jesse, I wouldn't feel bad for him. They both deserve a bad outcome.

 

[BatLobster]

"Heartless"? Jesse isn't some kind of saint. Even if Walt was in the same position as Jesse, I wouldn't feel bad for him. They both deserve a bad outcome.

So pity is something only reserved for saints? I hate Walt and I still kind of feel bad for him after the events of Ozymandias.

I would've felt less bad for Jesse if they had just killed him in the desert. Being a cook-slave to those guys is a pretty awful fate to be condemned to, especially for a guy who has desperately been seeking redemption for quite a while now. And especially considering how much he hates Todd for needlessly killing Drew Sharpe.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Lol, reading all this makes me glad i picked Breaking Bad instead of Dexter, doesn't mean i won't ever watch Dexter, hell i even watched the first 2 episodes months ago and liked them, but when Season 5 of Breaking Bad (before i started watching it) was on hiatus i wanted to watch a good show and between many names like Lost i ended up trying Breaking Bad.

The guy who recomended it to me last year hasn't even watched the 5th season, he says he didn't like the 4th Season due to it being too slow. Considering it was the first season he didn't watch in a row, but while it was airing, and that the same happened with him with the 3rd season of Game of Thrones in which he said this one was slow too i'm starting to believe watching the episodes weekly probably influenced his choice to drop the show.

If your friend though S3 of GOT was too slow I wouldn't take his opinion too often on tv shows.

But I would definitely try to watch at least the first season of Dexter, it is great.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

So pity is something only reserved for saints? I hate Walt and I still kind of feel bad for him after the events of Ozymandias.

I would've felt less bad for Jesse if they had just killed him in the desert. Being a cook-slave to those guys is a pretty awful fate to be condemned to, especially for a guy who has desperately been seeking redemption for quite a while now. And especially considering how much he hates Todd for needlessly killing Drew Sharpe.

I really, really felt bad for Walt Jr., Marie, Skyler and hell even felt for Walt watching his world fall apart/[BLACKOUT]brotheinlaw die[/BLACKOUT] but it's funny I didn't even flinch when they pulled Jessie from [BLACKOUT]underneath the car, interrogated him [/BLACKOUT] and made him a [BLACKOUT]cook slave[/BLACKOUT]. Nothing.

 

[Travesty]

So pity is something only reserved for saints? I hate Walt and I still kind of feel bad for him after the events of Ozymandias.

That's not exactly the point. Jesse put himself into that position. He's done many bad things along the way, and decided he wanted to rat on Walt. He deserves to be where he is right now, because he put this on himself. Same with Walt if he was down there: it would be because he put himself there whether he likes it or not.

You can feel sorry for him all you want, but I think it is certainly justified for all of his action along the way.

 

[Lord]

If your friend though S3 of GOT was too slow I wouldn't take his opinion too often on tv shows.

But I would definitely try to watch at least the first season of Dexter, it is great.

Around here there's a site to watch films and tv shows online, and while i was watching Season 3 of GoT there were allways comments complaining about it being very slow, so it's not only my friend.

Once again i think it has to do with people following the episodes weekly, instead of watching everything in a row like they probably did with the previous seasons. It also didn't help that there wasn't any episode like the battle of Season 2 to make up for the action of the entire season.

 

[Sawyer]

At least IGN gets it...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/20/breaking-bad-the-good-side-of-walter-white?page=2

Now let's talk about the phone call. The first scene to get misinterpreted by some fans as much as the gun shot at the end of Season 3 - when a lot of people (because of the camera angle) thought Jesse shot off to the side of Gale and had decided to spare his life.

Walter knew the cops were listening in and gave a heart-wrenching performance, forever tarnishing his name and labeling himself as a maniacal criminal/wife abuser forever and always. By the end of the call, Skyler knew exactly what Walter was doing, but think about the fact that Junior didn't. His father was now a monster. Not just a drug dealer, but a man who'd been abusing Skyler and forcing her to fall in line with his criminal schemes. A huge reversal on the running theme of Walter always being the favorite in Junior's eyes and Skyler coming off as the ***** because she kicked Walter out.

So what Walter did, before he vanished from his family's lives, was paint the story that Skyler was "under duress" for an entire year. Something that would exonerate her from not only being an accomplice, but from being an accessory. She didn't know anything specific. She kept telling him to stop. She would suffer greatly if she strayed from his orders.

But don't take my word for it. Here's episode writer Moira Walley-Beckett from her post-mortem interview with Vulture..

"I personally feel like it wasn’t open to interpretation. I would hope that people got that it was an absolute ploy on Walt’s part. It is the family-man part of Walt playing the part of Heisenberg to exonerate Skyler. I was hoping that the process of the lie and the subterfuge would be clear and that viewers would be with Skyler in their understanding. When we first hear Walt, we think he’s gone full Heisenberg. It’s outrageous and horrible and abusive what he’s saying! But then we start to put the pieces together as Skyler does, and I was hoping people would sort of be traveling that journey with her.”

 

[slimshady247]

I don't feel sorry for him, at all.

Interesting. Why not?

 

[BatLobster]

That's not exactly the point. Jesse put himself into that position. He's done many bad things along the way, and decided he wanted to rat on Walt. He deserves to be where he is right now, because he put this on himself. Same with Walt if he was down there: it would be because he put himself there whether he likes it or not.

You can feel sorry for him all you want, but I think it is certainly justified for all of his action along the way.

It's not so much him having a bad outcome that I feel bad about, it's the fact that it's such a torturous, de-humanizing one. I think Jesse would be better off in jail or dead than where he is.

The fact is, turning rat was probably one of the better decisions Jesse made in the course of the series. Helping put Walt behind bars would've been a solid redemptive action for Jesse to have taken. There was still a chance for him. The fact that it didn't work out is tragic for everyone IMO. I think even Walt would've been better off dead or behind bars than having to bear the weight of Hank's death on his conscience and become a true monster in the eyes of his son.

And let's not forget, Walt called the hit on Jesse before he even knew he was a rat. Maybe if Walt wasn't such a coward and would've at least tried to do it himself...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I wouldn't be surprised if Jesse was working on some kind of an escape plan, it looks like he's tinkering on something in that pic.

Maybe he's building a robot.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Okay now that would be ****ing awesome.

 

[BatLobster]

Lol

 

[Travesty]

Maybe he's building a robot.

 

[O'Haire]

Jesse: I did it.

Todd: Did what?

Jesse: What Mr. White couldn't.

Todd: And that is?

Jesse: Build a Robot, *****.

*Todd gets crushed*

 

[Shikamaru]

I can see Jesse coming up with an escape plan. I doubt it would be a robot (though that'd be awesome ) but it would be a smart escape plan nonetheless. He's gotten a lot smarter and more mature throughout the course of the show.

I really feel bad for Jesse at this point. Out of all the characters on the show, he is the one that I like and that I sympathize with the most. I used to say that about Walt earlier in the show until he became more Heisenberg than Walter White. I feel that Jesse and Walt started at opposite points and got to each other's points throughout the show. Walt went from a good man to an evil manipulating druglord while Jesse started out as a "filthy degenerate" (as Marie puts it) but really matured as the show went on.

Despite all the wrongs Jesse committed, I consider him to be a good person. He's not a saint, but you don't have to be a saint to be a good person. In my opinion, a good person is someone who realizes the wrongs they committed, feel bad about it, and try to redeem themselves. All of those things apply to Jesse. He even went as far as to give up his best chance at a fresh new start to stop Walt (when he found out he poisoned Brock).

I'm really surprised at how much I've grown to like Jesse. When the show first started, I couldn't stand him and wasn't excited at the idea of having to put up with him for 5 seasons. Then as the show progressed, I got to learn more about him, see more layers to him, and grow as a person. He really has a heart and is in the mess he is due to getting on the wrong path in his life.

Whatever happens, I really hope things end well for Jesse. I wouldn't mind him going to prison or having a more severe punishment but I really hope he doesn't die. I think I would cry if he does.

 

[Bruce Malone]

If i had way too much money on my hands i'd definitely do anything I could to win this bid. This is going to go down in tv history:

http://screenbid.auctionserver.net/.../view-auctions/catalog/id/6/?page=1&items=100

Honestly I'd actually probably settle for the lipstick stained lydia mug they have also?

 

[O'Haire]

Wouldn't you rather have...

http://screenbid.auctionserver.net/.../view-auctions/catalog/id/6/?page=1&items=100