Breaking Bad - Part 14

[hellblazer103]

I've been re-watching the show lately,currently being at episode 5 of season 3...it's a different experience knowing the outcome for all the characters.

The only thing that makes reconsider watching it all through the end is Jesse Pinkman...i honestly struggle to watch any scene he's a part of.I've seen a lot of shows in my life but never a more worthless character.

His character is completely synonymous with the term ****-up.

In the first season we learn that he comes from a caring family that gave him countless chances to change his life around but he always reverted to the way of drugs.Not only he's a drug dealer but also an avid user.He has the intelligence of a squirrel,thinking a wire is a chemical element,leaving the keys to empty the battery,throwing the whole barrel of water to extinguish the fire...basically he's presented as the stereotypical junkie idiot,that is only good to sell drugs.

Now in the second season he meets Jane and once again instead of trying to change things,he start doping with her,indirectly causing her death...even though he knew she was a recovering addict,he was taking absolutely no measures to prevent Jane from relapsing again.

There was a nice opportunity for the writers to make him see his errors after her death and in the first few episodes of season 3 you kinda feel for him and hope that he at least attempts to turn a new leaf...and what does he do?He starts making meth again and once Walter turns his back on him he goes to the group of recovering addicts and starts selling them drugs.

I just can't fathom why would anyone have any sympathy for this guy...it makes me sick that some people actually see him as some kind of a tragic figure or worse,a moral center of the show.Here's a guy that comes from a decent family,that had a billion chances to turn his life around but all he does is ruin things,go into crybaby mode then repeat every mistake a hundred times more,destroying everyone's life around him.

I'm absolutely certain that had Jesse been played by some fat,relatively unattractive guy like Combo,he wouldn't be nearly as popular.It's like Titanic,just imagine Jonah Hill instead of DiCaprio in the leading role and the whole flood of tears that came pouring out of the theaters would turn into a single,solitary drop.

The only moral center of the show was Hank,now there was a guy that cared about justice,cared about the people around him and made a hell of a beer.

he ran in with the wrong crowd, and once he was in he couldn't get out . he came back into the meth business in season 3 because at that point he felt like that was the only thing he was good at , without realizing he has the potential for so much more. i think a lot of this generation's youth can identify with a guy like jesse because there's a lot of teenagers out there in the same kind of situation. plus, most of the time when he did try to get out , he was always manipulated by walt into coming back into it. that's the idea that the show is sort of centered around: jesse starts out as a person labelled as a "bad guy" ,trying to be good and getting out of his situation, and walt starts out as a seemingly good guy, revealing himself to be the real bad guy of the show. but the best way to view the show is not to try to "sympathize " with any of the characters and instead view it from a more objective standpoint. they each have their own flaws, as do most human beings in this world.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

he ran in with the wrong crowd, and once he was in he couldn't get out . he came back into the meth business in season 3 because at that point he felt like that was the only thing he was good at , without realizing he has the potential for so much more. i think a lot of this generation's youth can identify with a guy like jesse because there's a lot of teenagers out there in the same kind of situation. plus, most of the time when he did try to get out , he was always manipulated by walt into coming back into it. that's the idea that the show is sort of centered around: jesse starts out as a person labelled as a "bad guy" ,trying to be good and getting out of his situation, and walt starts out as a seemingly good guy, revealing himself to be the real bad guy of the show. but the best way to view the show is not to try to "sympathize " with any of the characters and instead view it from a more objective standpoint. they each have their own flaws, as do most human beings in this world.

And whose fault is that?Why should i sympathize with a worthless junkie that had a decent childhood,caring parents,a whole freaking house left by his Aunt and all he wants to do is sell drugs?

There's literally one scene in the first 3 seasons where he actually tries to do something else,it's a scene when he goes to have a job interview.Of course,an uneducated man like him can't expect to become a president of a company all of a sudden,so it's beneath him to start from the bottom.Why should he work like a normal person when he can sell drugs,go to striptease bars and get high all the time while making big bucks?

There's a scene in S03E07 that really pissed me off,it's right after Hank beats him up and he starts to blame Walt for everything,showing absolutely no self-awareness for the type of person he is.He says to Walt that since meeting him he has lost everything and that he was more alone then ever.All bunch of nonsense on every account.Before meeting Walt,he was living in a borrowed house,after meeting him,he had enough money to actually buy the house.Before meeting Walt he was hanging out with a bunch of junkies,he still is,the only difference being the death of Combo,who was sent by HIM sent on that street corner.He met Jane,a recovered addict,who he turn on drugs and then died on an overdose.He doesn't know that Walt didn't try to save her,so again,why is he blaming it on him?Before meeting Walt he was a worthless junkie,after it,he's still a worthless junkie,only with a lot more money.

It's absolutely untrue that Walt manipulated Jesse to continue cooking,at least for the first 3 seasons.Sure,Walt blackmailed him in the first episode but after that it was Jesse who was the one pressing constantly about it.Even when Walt stopped,Jesse continued making meth,asking Walt for Gus' number...once Walt started to work for Gus,Jesse tried to do things on his own.When they started working together for Gus,he was still stealing some of the meth and trying to sell to recovering addicts.

Like i've said in my previous post,people are judging Aaron Paul's performance rather than actually analyze Jesse's behavior and actions.

I guess it's cool to show no respect for anyone,call everyone including your mother a *****,do nothing but sell drugs,steal,kill people but no matter,everything is forgiven because you look like you need a hug when you cry.

 

[Soapy]

2edgy4me

 

[Kane52630]

One hand you have a worthless junkie who burn his bridges with his family and the other hand you have a self righteous ass**** who burn his bridges with his partners for Grey Matter.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

And whose fault is that?Why should i sympathize with a worthless junkie that had a decent childhood,caring parents,a whole freaking house left by his Aunt and all he wants to do is sell drugs?

There's literally one scene in the first 3 seasons where he actually tries to do something else,it's a scene when he goes to have a job interview.Of course,an uneducated man like him can't expect to become a president of a company all of a sudden,so it's beneath him to start from the bottom.Why should he work like a normal person when he can sell drugs,go to striptease bars and get high all the time while making big bucks?

There's a scene in S03E07 that really pissed me off,it's right after Hank beats him up and he starts to blame Walt for everything,showing absolutely no self-awareness for the type of person he is.He says to Walt that since meeting him he has lost everything and that he was more alone then ever.All bunch of nonsense on every account.Before meeting Walt,he was living in a borrowed house,after meeting him,he had enough money to actually buy the house.Before meeting Walt he was hanging out with a bunch of junkies,he still is,the only difference being the death of Combo,who was sent by HIM sent on that street corner.He met Jane,a recovered addict,who he turn on drugs and then died on an overdose.He doesn't know that Walt didn't try to save her,so again,why is he blaming it on him?Before meeting Walt he was a worthless junkie,after it,he's still a worthless junkie,only with a lot more money.

It's absolutely untrue that Walt manipulated Jesse to continue cooking,at least for the first 3 seasons.Sure,Walt blackmailed him in the first episode but after that it was Jesse who was the one pressing constantly about it.Even when Walt stopped,Jesse continued making meth,asking Walt for Gus' number...once Walt started to work for Gus,Jesse tried to do things on his own.When they started working together for Gus,he was still stealing some of the meth and trying to sell to recovering addicts.

Like i've said in my previous post,people are judging Aaron Paul's performance rather than actually analyze Jesse's behavior and actions.

I guess it's cool to show no respect for anyone,call everyone including your mother a *****,do nothing but sell drugs,steal,kill people but no matter,everything is forgiven because you look like you need a hug when you cry.

Nothing is forgiven and Jesse is the guy who has the roughest road. The guy gets his ass kicked repeatedly in the series in which the last time was him getting put into meth slavery for 5 months (and it wasn't even the first time), has two of his girlfriends die. How is that being easily forgiven?

The point of the character is not as much to sympathize but to empathize. Jesse may not be perfect, but one of the main sources of development over the course of the series is Pinkman's realization that he is the bad guy and that he realizes everything you said. The whole episode problem dog, especially the scene in rehab has Jesse realizes how much of f**k up he was, in addition to most of the 5th season.

Also, you can't really fully blame Jesse for Jane. Jesse was an emotional wreck after his friend Combo's death and Jane took advantage of that. She was the one who brought him heroin. She was the one who got him addicted.

Not completely defending Jesse, but like hellblazer said, Jesse has his flaws and his good qualities, like him being the more emotional and artistic of the doing who slowly shows to have more care for human life than Walter does.

 

[hellblazer103]

Nothing is forgiven and Jesse is the guy who has the roughest road. The guy gets his ass kicked repeatedly in the series in which the last time was him getting put into meth slavery for 5 months (and it wasn't even the first time), has two of his girlfriends die. How is that being easily forgiven?

The point of the character is not as much to sympathize but to empathize. Jesse may not be perfect, but one of the main sources of development over the course of the series is Pinkman's realization that he is the bad guy and that he realizes everything you said. The whole episode problem dog, especially the scene in rehab has Jesse realizes how much of f**k up he was, in addition to most of the 5th season.

Also, you can't really fully blame Jesse for Jane. Jesse was an emotional wreck after his friend Combo's death and Jane took advantage of that. She was the one who brought him heroin. She was the one who got him addicted.

Not completely defending Jesse, but like hellblazer said, Jesse has his flaws and his good qualities, like him being the more emotional and artistic of the doing who slowly shows to have more care for human life than Walter does.

hit the nail on the head here. i was just about to mention that jane was the one who brought the heroin. jesse never even touched heroin beforehand.

plus combo's death wasn't even entirely jesse's fault, walt was the one who kept pushing him to find "new territory " .

also agreeing with the last part. one redeeming quality for jesse has always been his love for children, and never wanting to see them hurt or killed. walt couldn't give a **** less who's child dies, as long as it's not his.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I guess it's cool to show no respect for anyone,call everyone including your mother a *****,do nothing but sell drugs,steal,kill people but no matter,everything is forgiven because you look like you need a hug when you cry.

Of course none of this applies to Walt at all.

 

[Maximus One]

Yea, Kargo Warrior sounds like his opinion on addicts or just "**** ups" in general is completely biased.

 

[BestGirl]

I could never stand Walter or Jesse from the beginning, but disliked Jesse more for the reasons Kargo gave. Jesse's fans were even more annoying, because they kept giving that idiot the benefit of a doubt no matter how poorly he behaved.

Jesse didn't really redeem himself to me until he was the only person who cared that Drew Sharp was killed.

 

[Maximus One]

I mean, he expresses tremendous amounts of guilt over everything that has happened plenty of times. Sure he kept going with it even after expressing it at first but Drew Sharp was his breaking point obviously. I dunno, I guess it's just how he actually expresses the guilt that makes him sympathetic or empathetic rather. Sure the things Jesse did were at times reprehensible but I don't think anybody on the planet can say they've never done one wrong thing ever. Jesse was a character who just had a ton of growing up to do and had to learn the VERY hard way that life isn't just a party

 

[Kargo Warrior]

Of course none of this applies to Walt at all.

Great argument there,chief...i dislike A so i must like B.Walt was a sociopath scumbag but i don't see many people calling him the moral conscience of the show or some kind of a twisted Christ figure.

I mean, he expresses tremendous amounts of guilt over everything that has happened plenty of times. Sure he kept going with it even after expressing it at first but Drew Sharp was his breaking point obviously. I dunno, I guess it's just how he actually expresses the guilt that makes him sympathetic or empathetic rather. Sure the things Jesse did were at times reprehensible but I don't think anybody on the planet can say they've never done one wrong thing ever. Jesse was a character who just had a ton of growing up to do and had to learn the VERY hard way that life isn't just a party

And here is the prime example of what i was talking about in my first post.You are basically excusing him because you like him and find him endearing,completely ignoring what he has done or who he is.

People are not perfect?Are you seriously going to use that argument?Yeah,a drug dealer that enjoys the lifestyle and tries to sell drugs to recovering addicts while he's getting paid 1,5 million dollars for a 3 months work,a killer,thief,a completely ungrateful person that always blames someone else for all the crap he does and never tries to make even a slight change with his life eve though he had every opportunity to do so.Yep,i guess that basically describes the average human being.

Who cares how he emotes or what he says when his acts speak a hundred times louder?

He's acting like a prototypical wife beater...he beats the wife,then cries how sorry he is,beats her again,then cries some more,then does a hundred times more.And because
Aaron Paul looks so,so sad when he cries,you empathize with him?

He never tried to clean his ways...he enters the series as a drug dealer who loves what he's doing and for the next 4 seasons all his struggle is to ''make more green'' and find more despicable ways of selling meth.

Who has really benefited from knowing Jesse?He has destroyed his family,put all friends in jeopardy all the time,Badger getting arrested,Combo killed,met Jane,instantly turned her back on drugs,she dies,tried to sell drugs to Andrea,gets her killed even though he was warned not to try to escape and caused almost all the **** that happened in Season 4 and 5 because he was a liability and couldn't accept getting only 7-8 million dollars a year,so he had to go behind Gus' back and sell drugs on his own.

Can you imagine a show with Walt and Gale?It would basically be a comedy because Gale was actually a human being capable of interaction unlike Jesse.Almost all the drug drama/conflicts that arose on BB were due to Jesse's impulsively unpredictable behavior.He was no *****,everyone else was a ***** and that's basically all the character traits the writers gave him.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Drizzle]

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Great argument there,chief

Whatever you say, slick.

...i dislike A so i must like B.

Did I say that? Maybe you can point it out, scooter.

Walt was a sociopath scumbag but i don't see many people calling him the moral conscience of the show or some kind of a twisted Christ figure.

I haven't personally seen anyone saying those things about Pinkman either, ace. But then again I have not read the entirety of the Internet. Should I have brushed up on my Breaking Bad metaknowledge so that I could engage in a right and proper mental duel with you, sparky?

Here's a little tip, sport. When you write a multipost novel filled with nothing but venomous bile, and laced with thinly veiled insults and personal judgments of people for enjoying a well-written and performed character, it shouldn't come as a surprise when they push back.

Whatever personal grudge you have against whomever you perceive as filthy diseased worthless junkies is your own business, hoss. But copping an attitude when people don't start immediately agreeing with your drivel just makes you look bad.

Have I made myself clear, champ?

 

[Kane52630]

 

[CapedCrusader14]

 

[Maximus One]

If you think Jesse hasn't changed by the end of the show then I dunno what to tell ya. You sound like you have some personal grudge against junkies and losers. I don't like junkies either but I don't get so bent outta shape over that kinda stuff. Fact is, out of all the characters in the know about the business, Jesse was the one who honestly expressed guilt and remorse for his actions. Did you not see Problem Dog?? He admits to everything right then and there at the NA meeting. I don't know how much more moral you can get. Giving a **** when you are part of the cover up of the murder of a child is moral. He couldn't just go to the police then and there. And guess what, he does end up confessing to EVERYTHING out of guilt. How much moral can you get? IMO this show was as much Jesse's as it was Walt's and they both basically went on exact opposite moral journeys throughout the show. In my eyes Jesse is redeemed somewhat by the end of the series or if not redeemed he's at least paid for everything he's been involved in. Maybe not in a legal sense but you bet your ass he has in a moral sense.

 

[Maximus One]

What you are doing is blatantly placing all of the blame at Jesse's feet out of some weird personal grudge against addicts or something and completely ignoring any other characters own personal responsibilities. Jesse didn't make Jane relapse, she was responsible for her own sobriety. Jack and Todd are responsible for killing Andrea. You're placing all this blame on Jesse like he's some whirlwind of destruction instead of a dumb, young, impressionable man at the start of the series. Walt is the one that bares the majority of responsibility in all of the events that happen in the show.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Whelp, cya Jessie

 

[Bruce Malone]

So the last season is still eligible for this years emmy's right? I believe when they won best drama it was for season 5.1?

That's gonna be something where almost a year after the show went off you'll have the cast reuniting for the emmys again.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That doesn't seem right. Season 5.1 aired in 2012, 5.2 aired in 2013.

EDIT: I looked it up, and yeah, I guess you are right, the Emmys nominate from June 1 to May 31, so I guess it could. I somewhat doubt it will, though. I think they'll look at the win as a win for the season as a whole, but it'd be cool if they got nominated again.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I just remember the last emmy's airing at the same time as one of the last BB episodes and I believe a season is only eligible once it has finished airing? there were still a few eps left after the last emmy's.

I'm not sure what kind of hype BB would have riding behind it to pull off a win in 2014 though seeing as like I mentioned it would have been off the air for almost a year but it was arguably its strongest/most hyped season.

 

[Kane52630]

Didn't Seinfeld win big after being off the air for almost a year?

 

[Bruce Malone]

Didn't Seinfeld win big after being off the air for almost a year?

I'm not sure? Seinfeld was a network sitcom and I believe its last episode aired in may and i believe historically the emmy's are always in september so there wouldn't have been any issues.

I'm thinking the sopranos maybe won some time after they were off the air?

It will be a bittersweet reunion no doubt if/when the cast comes back together for the emmy's.