Breaking Bad - Part 8

[redhawk23]

You know what I would have done? NOT MADE METH.


It is almost hilarious to watch the mental gymnastics needed to justify Walts actions. Its entertaining to watch a fictional character do so. Its depressing to see people buy into it in real life.

And Walt tried to get Jesse out of the game? Really? It was him who insisted on cutting Gale loose in favor of Jesse to begin with.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Walter hoped that Brock wouldn't die, but he had no way of knowing for sure. The point where it all becomes more or less Walt's fault in the end is when he decides to get back into the meth game in Season 3 because he was feeling frustrated and devalued, that's the point where he loses any true justifiability.

When he decides to give it another try in S1 he is still under the belief that he can make this work without hurting anybody (through violence), he hadn't even experienced his first Heisenberg moment yet so I give him more leeway in this instance as the decision wasn't so purely selfish as when he goes back in S3.

 

[Bruce Malone]

You know what I would have done? NOT MADE METH.


It is almost hilarious to watch the mental gymnastics needed to justify Walts actions. Its entertaining to watch a fictional character do so. Its depressing to see people buy into it in real life.

Exactly walt's "not been in the right" since he decided to turn to meth and especially when he turned down fully paid medical treatments due to his pride and pettiness.

Frankly Walt almost seems to have entered the realm of super-villany with that DVD he sent to hank. Even the joker's video messages didn't reak of slime and treacherousness the way walt's did.

That "hug" he gave to Jess though really showed to me how far walt's character has come in just the last 2 season's, just for the fact that I and probably a lot of other people actually thought he was going to kill jesse then and there. Something that would have been totally unthinkable for him to do a couple seasons ago.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

Walt has tried to get Jesse out of the game plenty of times. Jesse threw himself into the fray, he made and dug his own grave.

Yes, it was wrong that Walt poisoned Brock, but what would have been worse, one kid getting a hospital visit or Gus sending in a death squad to execute baby Holly and Walt Jr? Jesse wasn't going to help Walt without Walt doing what he had to do, which was something wrong, yes, but most of you would have done the same thing, if backed into a corner and the threat of death hung over your family. At least, I would have. I don't think that makes me sick or even Walt. You pick the lesser of two evils and try to save everyone you can. Brock DIDN'T die. Walt knew what he was doing.

you dont get it do you? gus fring never hided the fact (to his partners) that he his a "psychopath". that he would do anything to keep his business running.

but walter does. he hides behind the "I'm a father, husband and I do everything to protect them" face. this is a lie. walter is just as a psychopath like gus fring.
walter would do anything to protect his own interest. he doesnt care about jesse at all.

I also think that gus fring would have never attacked walter's family. he knew that jesse would stop cooking for him. okay, walter couldnt take the chance, i get it but please stop telling us that he cares about jesse.

 

[redhawk23]

 

[CrypticOne]

You know what I would have done? NOT MADE METH.

It all depends on the kind of person you are, really. You know you're a dead man, the world sees you weakening under cancer, and the world is slowly closing around you. You have a family you're leaving behind, you're not gonna see your baby born, and they'll be broke, fending for themselves in this world.

All the right and wrong reasons go out of your head and heart when faced with death, when you know you will die. Anything becomes an answer. You just want to grab onto something and hope you can make the best of something.

I don't fault Walt for getting into the meth business. I.... look up to him for having the guts and fortitude to try SOMETHING in his last days of life. Time is against you....

Walt defines freedom for me. Freedom can be good and bad, and of coarse, it is in every one of us as human beings to be self-centered and to do things that will benefit us. The world doesn't know us or our families.

But yeah, getting into the drug business is a bad idea.

 

[Travesty]

You know what I would have done? NOT MADE METH.


It is almost hilarious to watch the mental gymnastics needed to justify Walts actions. Its entertaining to watch a fictional character do so. Its depressing to see people buy into it in real life.

And Walt tried to get Jesse out of the game? Really? It was him who insisted on cutting Gale loose in favor of Jesse to begin with.

Well, if you really wanted to look at it in a "realistic/justified" manner, as far as Walt goes -- the best thing for him to do before even considering cooking meth, would be to do, oh I dunno, take out a good life insurance plan. But of course, that doesn't make a good show/plot line. I think the "mental gymnastics" illustrates just how good the writing is.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

walt could have taken the job at gray matter and the money from his friends...

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

There's actually an interesting back story with Walt as a child that has almost never been explored beyond brief bits and pieces. There's a lot of references about how the way he was raised led him to this pretty strong aversion to anything he considers "charity". When he first got the offer he was ecstatic, it wasn't until he realized why he was being given it that he refused. I don't think psychologically he was capable of taking a job that he knew he was being given because of his cancer.

 

[redhawk23]

It all depends on the kind of person you are, really. You know you're a dead man, the world sees you weakening under cancer, and the world is slowly closing around you. You have a family you're leaving behind, you're not gonna see your baby born, and they'll be broke, fending for themselves in this world.

You have highly dependable family members and millionaire friends offering to pay your bills and watch after your family...

 

[Tron Bonne]

It all depends on the kind of person you are, really. You know you're a dead man, the world sees you weakening under cancer, and the world is slowly closing around you. You have a family you're leaving behind, you're not gonna see your baby born, and they'll be broke, fending for themselves in this world.

All the right and wrong reasons go out of your head and heart when faced with death, when you know you will die. Anything becomes an answer. You just want to grab onto something and hope you can make the best of something.

I don't fault Walt for getting into the meth business. I.... look up to him for having the guts and fortitude to try SOMETHING in his last days of life. Time is against you....

Walt defines freedom for me. Freedom can be good and bad, and of coarse, it is in every one of us as human beings to be self-centered and to do things that will benefit us. The world doesn't know us or our families.

But yeah, getting into the drug business is a bad idea.

Well, at least you got that part, I guess...

 

[redhawk23]

Well, if you really wanted to look at it in a "realistic/justified" manner, as far as Walt goes -- the best thing for him to do before even considering cooking meth, would be to do, oh I dunno, take out a good life insurance plan. But of course, that doesn't make a good show/plot line. I think the "mental gymnastics" illustrates just how good the writing is.

Indeed. Walt is a supreme liar but he is best when he is lying to himself.

 

[Bruce Malone]

It all depends on the kind of person you are, really. You know you're a dead man, the world sees you weakening under cancer, and the world is slowly closing around you. You have a family you're leaving behind, you're not gonna see your baby born, and they'll be broke, fending for themselves in this world.

All the right and wrong reasons go out of your head and heart when faced with death, when you know you will die. Anything becomes an answer. You just want to grab onto something and hope you can make the best of something.

I don't fault Walt for getting into the meth business. I.... look up to him for having the guts and fortitude to try SOMETHING in his last days of life. Time is against you....

Walt defines freedom for me. Freedom can be good and bad, and of coarse, it is in every one of us as human beings to be self-centered and to do things that will benefit us. The world doesn't know us or our families.

But yeah, getting into the drug business is a bad idea.

You do know that choice will potentially cost the lives of his whole family right?

Walt did have a choice to not make meth and still keep his family secured financially. However like i said his ego and pride was just too big. I understand his sentiment but if he really cared for his family and their well-being he would have taken the schwartzes charity.

 

[redhawk23]

something and hope you can make the best of something.

I don't fault Walt for getting into the meth business. I.... look up to him for having the guts and fortitude to try SOMETHING in his last days of life. Time is against you....

Walt defines freedom for me. Freedom can be good and bad, and of coarse, it is in every one of us as human beings to be self-centered and to do things that will benefit us. The world doesn't know us or our families.

But yeah, getting into the drug business is a bad idea.

Walt has had several chances to leave the meth business behind. There came a point pretty early one where it wasn't even about making money or providing for his family. It was about power.

Even staying in the meth business, Walt could have been part of a perfectly fine operation, made a million dollars in a year and ended it then. It was he who chose to irrationally reject Gale as a work partner (his excuses for doing so were completely half-assed). You keep trying to blame the falling out with Gus on Jesse, but Gus never wanted to involve Jesse in the first place.


While it is possible for anyone to become a monster, it is also within everyone to be a semi-decent human being who doesn't rationalize dozens of murders and the poisoning of children.

Also side note, are social security benefits for widows in their children no longer a thing?

 

[Sawyer]

**** all this talk of right and wrong. I admire the transformation, dammit! You hear me? I ADMIRE it!

 

[Maximus One]

Ya know what's really funny, NONE of the meth cooks I've ever known in real life ever got into for these sorts of reasons. They just wanted more meth. Lol

 

[Christopher Nolan]

there are a lot of elements that play a role why walt has become the man he is now.
there's no doubt that he had a difficult childhood and his marriage seemed to be destroying him from the inside too, way before the cancer (result: personality disorder).

 

[Bruce Malone]

Ya know what's really funny, NONE of the meth cooks I've ever known in real life ever got into for these sorts of reasons. They just wanted more meth. Lol

Thought you were making a joke, then peered down at your location and realized you're probably not joking haha, I mean no offense btw.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Even staying in the meth business, Walt could have been part of a perfectly fine operation, made a million dollars in a year and ended it then. It was he who chose to irrationally reject Gale as a work partner (his excuses for doing so were completely half-assed). You keep trying to blame the falling out with Gus on Jesse, but Gus never wanted to involve Jesse in the first place.

Walt had no business coming back in the first place, he had a ton of money and his cancer had gone into remission. People point to S1 and refusing the job offer to cook meth as the moment when he doomed everyone but it really isn't. He managed to do what he set out to do, he made the money and got out with everyone alive and well. If he had stopped there life would have gone on just fine.

Coming back in S3 imo is the moment where he sealed everyone's fates.

HOWEVER in the case of the S3 finale:

To clarify he got Gale fired because he wanted to bring in Jesse so that he wouldn't sue Hank into oblivion.

And while I wouldn't blame Jesse for the Gus/Walt fall out, it happened because he went and saved Jesse's life by running down those two dealers. That was probably one of his last really selfless moments in the show.

 

[Christopher Nolan]

**** all this talk of right and wrong. I admire the transformation, dammit! You hear me? I ADMIRE it!

i do too, but it doesnt change the fact that walter is ****in psychopath. i find it interesting to see him. i mean, i never expected that he will go a step further cause i thought he reached his "full potential", but the video he made for hank made me speechless. he is a genius, he can predict what his opponent will do next. he can manipulate in a way that is incredible.
you could write a book about him...

 

[Maximus One]

Thought you were making a joke, then peered down at your location and realized you're probably not joking haha, I mean no offense btw.

Oh no I'm totally serious dude. It's a ****ing epidemic here. One of my oldest friends has just recently gotten into it, he's always used casually and that when its not a super destructive thing it's like ok that's your business but dude is into some serious **** now. That's nothing though, I've known people who have had rolling labs blow up on the highway. One dude had hit an anhydrous tank and just used a milk jug to put it in and it exploded between his legs in the car and bout killed everyone. Probably froze his junk solid lmao it's insane here though for real. There's a big John Deere dealership right down the road from me and there's like thousands and thousands of gallons of anhydrous ammonia there and the place is under constant surveillance and guard. It's crazy

 

[redhawk23]

This is quite odd.

 

[Maximus One]

**** all this talk of right and wrong. I admire the transformation, dammit! You hear me? I ADMIRE it!

Yea! You admire that transformation! You admire that transformation HARD!

 

[Christopher Nolan]

in regards to the confession video:
it's not only a threat to hank but also in some way a manipulation of hank and marie by walter. he is mentioning the $177.000...he gets between hank and marie..both have supported each other without any doubts since the revelation. but now...with this fact...as hank pointed out..."you killed me here"...could be that the relationship gets a bit cold..

 

[Marvin]

in regards to the confession video:
it's not only a threat to hank but also in some way a manipulation of hank and marie by walter. he is mentioning the $177.000...he gets between hank and marie..both have supported each other without any doubts since the revelation. but now...with this fact...as hank pointed out..."you killed me here"...could be that the relationship gets a bit cold..

I think the fact that Walter had the pride to turn down financial help when he was in need is an interesting layer here.
If skylar was in the same situation as hanks wife she would have jumped at the chance for help money.

I hope there is a bit of expansion on this angle