Breaking Bad

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RachelDawes said:
Maybe the problem is that I never found Walt to be all that sympathetic. He dragged his family into the incredibly dangerous world of drugs just because his ego was too big to accept money from his old business partners. :whatever: Jesse never struck me as terribly likable or sympathetic until season 5, either. The two of them seemed like manchildren who dragged everyone they cared about into the drug biz with them and then couldn't figure out why others didn't want to deal with their BS.
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Walt started cooking before Elliot & Gretchen even offered him the money. Plus, they offered him money for his cancer treatment, not for his family. Though he did pay his treatment with some of that money, the main reason he started cooking was to make sure his family had enough money after he was gone.

Also, who exactly did Walt and Jesse drag in their business? Skyler joined by her consent and Walter even hesitated at first for a bit. Jesse never dragged anyone into the drug business (not counting the friends he had already in the business or related to it). In fact, he did the opposite. He was reluctant to tell Jane about what he does. He broke up with Andrea to keep her out and he himself wanted to be out of the business for the entirety of season 5 (which takes place in the span of a year).

Agreed that telling Jesse not to sell Walt pot was too much, but I can't blame her for being suspicious of him. I wonder if he hasn't lied to her before about things. Maybe her female intuition was kicking into overdrive.
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Being a bit suspicious of the way he sounded on the phone constitutes her tracing the phone call all the way back to Jesse, finding personal information about him and then confronting him over the weed? It's not like Walt consistently sounded a bit weird on the phone. As far as we know, it was the first time it happened. There is no evidence Walt lied to her before. If anything, everything we've seen suggests that Walt's constant-lying gig only started post-meth cooking. She made it clear she would divorce him because he's a liar.

Her "female intuition" is not an excuse for her being a *****. It takes some level of critical thinking to go out of your way and do what she did based on the little-to-no evidence she had to suspect Walt.

A lot of people would also be pissy if their spouses disappeared for long stretches of time without at least telling where they were going and when they were coming back, especially if they were missing important events relating to the birth of a child. If Walt had just told her he needed time alone she may have been okay with that, but he kept trying to fob her off with obvious lies, which only made things worse.
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She gave Walt crap for it long before Holly was born. She gave him crap for it since the very start of the show.

If Walt had just told her he needed time alone? He did tell her he needed time alone. Back in Season 1 when he first started his chemotherapy.

Are you sure she was doing that to get back at Walt? I thought she reverted to bad habits more out of stress.
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She was. She did that and leaving the house for entire days just to get back at Walt's BS "fugue state". The "fugue state" she just knew was and accused Walt of lying about based on no proof whatsoever.

That's why Skyler was so disliked early on. As many other people have said, she lashed out at Walt before she had anything solid to go on.

Still, nothing she did throughout the show, even during the first seasons, compared to the horrible things Walt was doing.
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Doesn't matter. She had no evidence to anything Walt was doing and lashed out at him regardless. With no solid points, her argument is rendered invalid for the same reasons why we don't just throw people in prison without evidence that they committed a crime.
 
I figure Skyler, like a lot of wives would, was thinking along the lines of "affair" when she first started observing her husband's odd behavior.
 
Walt hitting on Carmen just made me cringe the way he did it. It was so hilariously weird that I just couldn't listen anymore to that scene. :funny:
 
Finally got around to watching this show. watched all 5 seasons in the last couple of weeks...damn! what an amazing series!

That said, while watching the last season,i really wanna strangle Jesse and Hank...heh

A self righteous moron and a junkie loser and the less said about Skyler...the better...

In any case...like i said, great show.Wished i had followed this from the beginning.
 
Shikamaru said:
Walt started cooking before Elliot & Gretchen even offered him the money. Plus, they offered him money for his cancer treatment, not for his family. Though he did pay his treatment with some of that money, the main reason he started cooking was to make sure his family had enough money after he was gone.

Also, who exactly did Walt and Jesse drag in their business? Skyler joined by her consent and Walter even hesitated at first for a bit. Jesse never dragged anyone into the drug business (not counting the friends he had already in the business or related to it). In fact, he did the opposite. He was reluctant to tell Jane about what he does. He broke up with Andrea to keep her out and he himself wanted to be out of the business for the entirety of season 5 (which takes place in the span of a year).



Being a bit suspicious of the way he sounded on the phone constitutes her tracing the phone call all the way back to Jesse, finding personal information about him and then confronting him over the weed? It's not like Walt consistently sounded a bit weird on the phone. As far as we know, it was the first time it happened. There is no evidence Walt lied to her before. If anything, everything we've seen suggests that Walt's constant-lying gig only started post-meth cooking. She made it clear she would divorce him because he's a liar.

Her "female intuition" is not an excuse for her being a *****. It takes some level of critical thinking to go out of your way and do what she did based on the little-to-no evidence she had to suspect Walt.



She gave Walt crap for it long before Holly was born. She gave him crap for it since the very start of the show.

If Walt had just told her he needed time alone? He did tell her he needed time alone. Back in Season 1 when he first started his chemotherapy.



She was. She did that and leaving the house for entire days just to get back at Walt's BS "fugue state". The "fugue state" she just knew was and accused Walt of lying about based on no proof whatsoever.

That's why Skyler was so disliked early on. As many other people have said, she lashed out at Walt before she had anything solid to go on.



Doesn't matter. She had no evidence to anything Walt was doing and lashed out at him regardless. With no solid points, her argument is rendered invalid for the same reasons why we don't just throw people in prison without evidence that they committed a crime.
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A 20+ year marriage is not a court of law. Skylar knew her husband was lying to her, even if she couldn't prove it yet, and she was absolutely right. Not being able to prove it yet means jack**** when in the end Walt ruined his entire family's life with his lies, his deceit, and his greed. Hell, maybe if Skylar had been more vigilant earlier, she could've stopped it all sooner and minimized the damage. Being a *****y nag early on pales in comparison to what Walt became.
 
Paladin-Hoss said:
Finally got around to watching this show. watched all 5 seasons in the last couple of weeks...damn! what an amazing series!

That said, while watching the last season,i really wanna strangle Jesse and Hank...heh

A self righteous moron and a junkie loser and the less said about Skyler...the better...

In any case...like i said, great show.Wished i had followed this from the beginning.
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That seems a little harsh. Not like he could just overlook Walt being a drug kingpin, and he gave him ample opportunity to come quietly.
 
I really don't think I'll ever understand how some people can seemingly hate everyone on the show EXCEPT Walt. I really, really just don't get it. I feel like pointing each and everyone one of them to that article about bad Breaking Bad fans.
 
I guess some people just love to root for Walt no matter how destructive he gets, and that includes me. I think it's pretty stupid and self-righteous to call those fans "bad" just because they root for a villainous character.

Now, if these fans actually tried to defend most of Walt's actions, then that's a whole different story. I rooted for Walt, but I could never justify many of the things he did.
 
rogue_agent said:
I guess some people just love to root for Walt no matter how destructive he gets, and that includes me. I think it's pretty stupid and self-righteous to call those fans "bad" just because they root for a villainous character.

Now, if these fans actually tried to defend most of Walt's actions, then that's a whole different story. I rooted for Walt, but I could never justify many of the things he did.
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I could probably justify the reasoning behind the actions, but I don't think anyone would be able to spin them into sounding like good actions.
 
People root for Walt because Bryan Cranston and the writers have created a very interesting character.
 
Maybe if Jesse had been willing to show more skin more people would have been Team Jesse. :o
 
Finally got around to watching the Dexter finale............Thank GOD for Breaking Bad :(
 
Sawyer said:
I could probably justify the reasoning behind the actions, but I don't think anyone would be able to spin them into sounding like good actions.
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That's actually a better way to put it - yeah I could never do that too :oldrazz:
 
Paladin-Hoss said:
Finally got around to watching this show. watched all 5 seasons in the last couple of weeks...damn! what an amazing series!

That said, while watching the last season,i really wanna strangle Jesse and Hank...heh
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Yeah, Hank sucked. You know, being super pissed that a person who caused him so much grief had been lying to him from day one. Terrible person. Junkie loser? Seems you missed all the character developing Jesse had.
 
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