Brian Tyler composer for Dragonball?

[cRookie_Monster]

Perhaps even more worth noting in reference to this particular situation, Bach was also a master of practicality. If only certain instrumentalists were available to him to play a piece scored for another set of instruments, he would rearrange the previous piece to suit the resources he was given. You adapt to what you have. If the rock music you’re composing doesn’t function well with the textures of a synthesizer, consider writing in a more content-centered style. Even in traditional orchestration, you always tailor the way you write to the advantages and disadvantages of each instrument. The synthesizers are just another set of instruments.

Now there I agree completely. The term used in the the field is writing "idiomatically", writing music that works for the instruments you have. And I think that was not done well in the Faulconer studio. I don't think the right MIDI sounds were chosen in many many cases and I don't think they were handled properly in a lot of cases. Mostly just cause the main synthesizer was particularly bad at orchestral instruments.

On the other hand, I don't think Bach is known for his orchestration techniques. His stuff was usually pretty simple timbre-wise. Now, later guys like Rimsky-Korsakov, Holst, and Straninsky....THATS ORCHESTRATION!

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

On the other hand, I don't think Bach is known for his orchestration techniques. His stuff was usually pretty simple timbre-wise. Now, later guys like Rimsky-Korsakov, Holst, and Straninsky....THATS ORCHESTRATION!

The best examples right now of synthesizers used in orchestrations have to be John Adams' uses of electronics in various of his works.

 

[cRookie_Monster]

The best examples right now of synthesizers used in orchestrations have to be John Adams' uses of electronics in various of his works.

Woah, I'm suprised to hear his name mentioned in this forum! t:

I honestly haven't listend to a lot of Adams but I was exposed to him in school. Most of what I heard was live though with some electronics added in. Hehe comparing him to DBZ music is.....welll.....the two are completely different animals IMO.

EDIT:

Again you have to remember the different constraints people had.

(actually shouldn't say much about the Faulconer side....might get sued =\ )

Original Japanese score - very sparse, can't speak for the budget but they obviously could afford live players for what they needed. Not much transitions needed cause nothing connected. Mood IMO becomes less important when you have music dropping in from a sea of nothing. Just having music at all is dramatic whether it be conflicting in nature or going right with the scene.

 

[Adam]

The main problem I had with Faulconer's music is that it doesn't shut up. There's no breaks. I remember hearing the "cell" theme a million times in one episode. Jeez. Enough is enough, give the scene some breathing room. It loses its impact if it's just looped over and over.

 

[cRookie_Monster]

The main problem I had with Faulconer's music is that it doesn't shut up. There's no breaks. I remember hearing the "cell" theme a million times in one episode. Jeez. Enough is enough, give the scene some breathing room. It loses its impact if it's just looped over and over.

yup, agreed. Funi's choice =\ though we could probably have resisted more.

 

[xwolverine2]

The main problem I had with Faulconer's music is that it doesn't shut up. There's no breaks. I remember hearing the "cell" theme a million times in one episode. Jeez. Enough is enough, give the scene some breathing room. It loses its impact if it's just looped over and over.

well... what else is there gonna be in those 20min stare downs that happen every 5min?..lol

 

[Humpty Dumpty]

Woah, I'm suprised to hear his name mentioned in this forum! t:

I honestly haven't listend to a lot of Adams but I was exposed to him in school. Most of what I heard was live though with some electronics added in. Hehe comparing him to DBZ music is.....welll.....the two are completely different animals IMO.

EDIT:

Again you have to remember the different constraints people had.

Faulconer- Had to produce TONS of music in a very short time period for a small budget. Not only was there tons of it, but it was all supposed to fit to picture and transition from each piece to the next seamlessly. There's no way we could have used live players for everything represnting acoustic instruments. It just wasn't practical. At least I was able to bring some real guitar in now and then starting mid Garlic Jr saga (me being uber cheap constant labor)


Original Japanese score - very sparse, can't speak for the budget but they obviously could afford live players for what they needed. Not much transitions needed cause nothing connected. Mood IMO becomes less important when you have music dropping in from a sea of nothing. Just having music at all is dramatic whether it be conflicting in nature or going right with the scene.

Yes, I understand; Faulconer and his team were working under very restrictive conditions while writing and sequencing the score (I guess that given your credit, you were involved principally with the sequencing part). I wouldn’t hesitate, however, to suggest to you that you study Adams’ use of synths. Trust me when I say you’ll learn a lot, and you’ll have a lot of fun too because Adams is one of the most engaging composers on the scene right now. There is a completely electronic piece he did called Hoodoo Zephyr, but I have heard only short clips of it (click to hear the clips at Amazon), so I can’t offer you my personal judgment on that, though I can tell you I think the clips are pretty interesting from a textural point of view. Here's another clip I just found on his website.

Goldsmith’s handling of synths in his scores is pretty good too. Wouldn’t you agree?

I searched YouTube and managed to find this clip of Adams’ El Niño, which uses a keyboard sampler. If you haven’t heard this already, then I guarantee you’ll be blown away. It's sad Lorraine Hunt Lieberson is no longer with us.

 

[cRookie_Monster]

Cool stuff, I wouldn't call it the best synth work I've ever heard though honestly. Just my taste probably, which is what I think we are getting down to here. Yeah, there's a lot of really cool things out there.

Here's some mainstream stuff that knocks my socks off, all just opinions and personal perspective. It's nothing fancy, just feels great to me, which is what music is all about.

Cherry Twist

PassPortal

Cimbatize

Who Am I? (ick mono on youtube ruins it)

 

[Adam]

Passportal kicks all kinds of ass.

 

[TLH]

The video of Tyler conducting is impressive. It's not the most original piece, but it's well realized and the octaves are prevalent enough to give the score a 'forward-moving' pace. I also heard a couple coda's in the score, which is great for adding the feel of climax.

Overall it has a stellar fantasy/action feel to it and, at this point, it at least looks like DB:E will have a decent score.

 

[xwolverine2]

i wish the little march at the begginning would last a bit longer... its catchy

 

[MoPlaYa]

It sounds great! I cant wait to hear more!

 

[dark_b]

The video of Tyler conducting is impressive. It's not the most original piece, but it's well realized and the octaves are prevalent enough to give the score a 'forward-moving' pace. I also heard a couple coda's in the score, which is great for adding the feel of climax.

Overall it has a stellar fantasy/action feel to it and, at this point, it at least looks like DB:E will have a decent score.

with that i must agree. its ntohing wrong IMO. but it is very similar to Immediate Music and Two steps from Hell.

 

[dark_b]

http://www.colosseum.de/product_info.php/language/en/info/p2209_Dragonball-Evolution.html
this is what i was afraid of. listen to the first part of Roshi. this is good for roshi? is this a rock concert?

 

[TLH]

http://www.colosseum.de/product_info.php/language/en/info/p2209_Dragonball-Evolution.html
this is what i was afraid of. listen to the first part of Roshi. this is good for roshi? is this a rock concert?

I think it sounds better for a character like Vegeta, but keep in mind it probably won't be used during many of Roshi's scenes. For all we know it's used when Roshi is in a fight with Piccolo or Goku, in which case it's fitting (as a fighting score).

 

[Steve Ballmer]

http://www.colosseum.de/product_info.php/language/en/info/p2209_Dragonball-Evolution.html
this is what i was afraid of. listen to the first part of Roshi. this is good for roshi? is this a rock concert?

Because any electric guitars immediately makes it a rock concert.

How ****ing sad is it that Bruce Faulconer can get away with crappy midi guitars for every single god damn "song" but Brian Tyler can't get away with real guitars for one song that genuinely fits the character and sounds good.

I got an idea. Why don't we nitpick every single thing you do? I'm sure you're perfect in the eyes of internet fanboys.

 

[dark_b]

I think it sounds better for a character like Vegeta, but keep in mind it probably won't be used during many of Roshi's scenes. For all we know it's used when Roshi is in a fight with Piccolo or Goku, in which case it's fitting (as a fighting score).

well of course it will be. it wont be used when roshi is eating hes launch.
but this is the kind of song you want to use when roshi is fighting?

 

[dark_b]

Because any electric guitars immediately makes it a rock concert.

How ****ing sad is it that Bruce Faulconer can get away with crappy midi guitars for every single god damn "song" but Brian Tyler can't get away with real guitars for one song that genuinely fits the character and sounds good.

I got an idea. Why don't we nitpick every single thing you do? I'm sure you're perfect in the eyes of internet fanboys.

you can nitpick and bash me.
why would i care?

 

[TLH]

but this is the kind of song you want to use when roshi is fighting?

Why not? It captures the feel of the Anime are far as I'm concerned.

 

[JP]

Uh, it fits Roshi. Shows just how bad ass he is.

 

[animexcel]

Here's a video clip of Brian Tyler composing the score, if it hasn't been posted yet.
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[Milu]

Impressive!

So Tyler conducts his own music, huh? The only other composers I can think of at the top of my head who also conduct are Goldenthal, Goldsmith, and Williams.

 

[animexcel]

Impressive!

So Tyler conducts his own music, huh? The only other composers I can think of at the top of my head who also conduct are Goldenthal, Goldsmith, and Williams.

Is it normal that they don't? I've seen little clips of Alan Silvestri conducting Back to the Future.

 

[LP.Deuce]

Not bad, I like Brian Tyler's work, as for this, I think he can do better, but I don't know until I here the whole song and the rest

 

[darknight7]

I wonder who the Unwelcome Strangers will be? (Track 18), or Things To Come? (Track 20)...

But I guess that could just be Piccolo considering the Final Battle is track 21 (that is if the tracks are in chronological order, which it kind of seems to be)

--dk7