Captain Marvel Brie Larson is Captain Marvel!

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Pixar is generally seen as family entertainment/family movies. They make movies that parents can take their kids to and also enjoy themselves.

Anyone can review any movie but people who are part of the target audience are probably going to have more insight into the specific message of the film than those who aren't.

Larson didn't advocate banning people from reviewing movies. She said she wants to hear more reviews from people the movie was made for.

 

[Aximili86]

Which isn't what she said. She said she "doesn't care" if a reviewer who's not a girl doesn't dig the movie, because it's supposedly not for them.

Which is pretty ridiculous. Reviewers are likely to like the movie regardless, assuming it's good. A middle-aged dude giving the thing 4 stars shouldn't really be any less significant for her than a 12 year old girl doing the same. Isn't that what we're going for, female heroes being iconic by their own merits same as the guys, rather than "for a movie aimed at girls" or whatever?

 

[Silvermoth]

I think her point was that she doesn’t want to make a movie like this only to hear a bunch of people say “oh I couldn’t relate to it.” Similar to how people got sick of that during black panther when people kept referring to it as “too urban” or whatever

 

[P Supreme]

why specifically say "white male" I mean that is just red meat for some people this can be problem for them when promoting the film but I hope not while I didn't like the comments I will not skip out on the movie cause of them either

I need to take a break from all forums cause it almost as if you have to proof read your post 10 times to make sure you don't offend any particular group with Movie criticism

 

[Azrael89]

Brie’s preachy, grandstanding bull ****, combined with Marvel alluding to the character basically being Superman has turned me off of this movie.

 

[Abudefduf]

Why do you people love 40 year old white critics so much? What have 40 year old white critics ever done for you.

I can only hope to one day find someone that loves and wants to protect me as much as easily-outraged nerds on the internet love and want to protect 40 year old white critics.

 

[Azrael89]

Why do you people love 40 year old white critics so much? What have 40 year old white critics ever done for you.

I can only hope to one day find someone that loves and wants to protect me as much as easily-outraged nerds on the internet love and want to protect 40 year old white critics.

Not to completely derail this thread but your post reminded me of this verse from an Eminem track called On Fire. It goes...

You know, critics, man Critics never got nothin' nice to say, man You know, the one thing I notice about critics, man Is critics never ask me how my day went Well, I'ma tell 'em

 

[Abudefduf]

Um, okay. I do agree about the Superman part, though. I really wish they'd stop overhyping her, it seems to be doing more harm than good. I don't want her to become the MCU's Wesley Crusher; I mean, I've never watched a single episode of Star Trek in my entire life and even I know who he is.

 

[Azrael89]

Um, okay. I do agree about the Superman part, though. I really wish they'd stop overhyping her, it seems to be doing more harm than good. I don't want her to become the MCU's Wesley Crusher; I mean, I've never watched a single episode of Star Trek in my entire life and even I know who he is.

As a Thor fan, when they came out and told us that she was gonna be the most powerful hero in the MCU I cringed. I realize how powerful she is in the comics and even that’s too much for me. It just makes the character less interesting.

 

[MasterCat]

This has nothing to do with Captain Marvel, Marvel in general, or even four quadrant blockbusters.
If she had said ‘when Captain Marvel comes out, I don’t care what those old white men think’ i might have an issue, as clearly Captain Marvel will be a movie wanting to appeal to everyone.

But getting upset because she says that a wrinkle in time, a movie for young black women/girls, should probably be reviewed by such, makes sense.

The stupid part is that Disney gave a $130 million budget to a film that's apparently only for black girls/young women. The black female demographic is only 6.5% of the United States, so a $132 million global gross is the most executives should have hoped for, unless Brie is talking out her butt about the film being made for a narrow demographic.

 

[Kuwolski]

She is.

 

[Loki882]

I've found that if there's one group that's the LEAST qualified to judge/talk about comment like this, it's nerds on the internet. Because well you even float the idea of "progressive" and a lot (but certainly not all to be fair) stark ranting.

And she used the term "white males" because a big majority of the movie critics who's opinions people here ARE white males, that's just how it is. So the idea that different groups might see things through different lenses at times is not at all hard to buy.

And an example of my first point is the overreaction to the "she's the strongest" comments. Suddenly Marvel's overall really good track record with their characters and them successfully giving said character flaws to balance out their strengths is being forgotten.

But people jump on the "she's the strongest" comments (yes Marvel is hyping up one of their most prominent female heroes who's going to star in the first female-led film that they've had when they've previously been criticized for dragging their feet on making those, how dare they) to star panicking or whining about "SJW" or "pandering" or "over-hyping" or whatever.

 

[terry78]

I mean from a canon standpoint she is pretty much a triple A threat in the books for pretty much any opponent, unless someone nerfs her.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I knew this non issue would used by certain idiots on youtube.

 

[warhorse78]

Brie’s preachy, grandstanding bull ****, combined with Marvel alluding to the character basically being Superman has turned me off of this movie.

I just don't understand why Marvel feels like they have to tear down already established and beloved characters to build the new ones up. It's slapping the face of the fans that helped build this empire, and it creates divide as well.

 

[honestbharani]

I just don't understand why Marvel feels like they have to tear down already established and beloved characters to build the new ones up. It's slapping the face of the fans that helped build this empire, and it creates divide as well.

I find it even more difficult to understand how you assume things that are not real and make posts about it as if they are.

 

[BaronZemo]

I just don't understand why Marvel feels like they have to tear down already established and beloved characters to build the new ones up. It's slapping the face of the fans that helped build this empire, and it creates divide as well.

No one is getting teared down stop being ridiculous. Do you feel threatened, maybe?

If Carol comes in and she is a great character IT WON'T MATTER HOW STRONG SHE IS. Thor is stronger than Cap and that never stopped Cap or Iron Man from being awesome.

Many of the arguments here are totally ridiculous. Do you think that all the character development or the awesome moments Marvel has done with the characters are gonna disappear because Carol will stronger. That is purely idiotic.

 

[Kuwolski]

I have no issue with Captain Marvel being the most powerful. I think it's pretty awesome.

Larson rubs me the wrong way though and she alone has decreased my hype for this. It's not even her comments viewed in a vacuum, just a last straw kind of thing where these entitled elitists talk down to the mere mortals about the ways of the world.

Typical Hollywood, give out awards left and right for whatever vain/pretentious reasons, kiss each others butts ad nauseam, then gain a distorted sense of entitlement.

 

[Abudefduf]

"To the mere mortals"... dude, her speech was directed at the people working in the movie industry and in the field of film criticism. You know, people who actually have the power to do the thing she was talking about... nothing she said was directed at us "mere mortals".

Or are you saying that Brie Larson is expecting random dudes like me to hire more critics of color?

I knew this non issue would used by certain idiots on youtube.

Hey, that's how they pay their rent. They've found a way to monetize nerd-rage.

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

I have no issue with Captain Marvel being the most powerful. I think it's pretty awesome.

B-b-but it's not like that in the comics!!! would people say.

 

[Kuwolski]

"To the mere mortals"... dude, her speech was directed at the people working in the movie industry and in the field of film criticism. You know, people who actually have the power to do the thing she was talking about... nothing she said was directed at us "mere mortals".

Or are you saying that Brie Larson is expecting random dudes like me to hire more critics of color?

What makes Brie Larson an expert on the craft of film criticism, beyond the fact that some white men didn't like her friends movie?

I'm sure the people in the room could listen to her 'directions', but there is nothing substantial beyond the obvious fact we need more diversity. There is the crude political tactic of fitting a specific group into their neat little box and the hypocrisy of implying that those in the 'dude box' are largely irrelevant (to her) when it comes to certain issues in film from lack of identity and/or understanding, while she herself obviously understands their insights, education, motives and capacity to connect better then they do. No thanks, more rigid political views posing as open-minded inclusiveness. Some critics are certainly better then others and take their roles more serious in terms of creating a cultural discourse, but viewing or defining that simply in terms of race or gender is ignorant. It's intellectually dishonest and emotionally corrupt.

 

[Kuwolski]

B-b-but it's not like that in the comics!!! would people say.

There are other example in the MCU where that is the case as well, so that particular critique would ring hollow and be rather easy to ignore.

 

[Silvermoth]

I have no issue with Captain Marvel being the most powerful. I think it's pretty awesome.

Larson rubs me the wrong way though and she alone has decreased my hype for this. It's not even her comments viewed in a vacuum, just a last straw kind of thing where these entitled elitists talk down to the mere mortals about the ways of the world.

Typical Hollywood, give out awards left and right for whatever vain/pretentious reasons, kiss each others butts ad nauseam, then gain a distorted sense of entitlement.

It sounds like you have issues beyond this. Like you’re actually angry at other things and you need to choose something to be angry about.

Sometimes anger is ok but make sure it’s directed to the right place. Whatever is making you angry, I’m sure it’s not really that Brie wants more diverse critics or to ward away future weinsteins. Does it actually make your life worse?

I definitely get angry at some stuff in my life and sometimes I point it at convenient targets rather than what’s actually making me angry. Just have a walk and try to think about what’s actually annoying you

 

[vandiola]

I knew Reddit closing their incel page would lead to trouble. Nerds causing trouble everywhere

 

[ScarletWiccan]

People are overreacting to the “Carol will be the strongest avenger” statement. I do think that Carol is going to be the most powerful, but I also think that part of her story will be her learning how to use restraint when it comes to her powers. She’s not going to fly in and one punch thanos, but she is most likely going to play a key role in defeating him. I find it interesting that the same people who talk about how great the people behind the MCU films are have little no faith in the film that just so happens to be lead by a woman.