Fantasy Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Vampire - Part 3

[ComicChick]

I’ve got Zoe on Angel, and Malcolm Reynolds’s just showed up on Buffy so now I wanna rewatch Firefly after I finish these.

and I think I saw a young Rachel Bilson in Xanders cringy pillow fight dream lol. I keep forgetting they’re college age kids. Man these apocalypses really can age a person.

 

[flickchick85]

I’ve got Zoe on Angel, and Malcolm Reynolds’s just showed up on Buffy so now I wanna rewatch Firefly after I finish these.

Yeah this was immediately after Firefly’s cancellation so they needed the work lol.

and I think I saw a young Rachel Bilson in Xanders cringy pillow fight dream lol. I keep forgetting they’re college age kids. Man these apocalypses really can age a person.

That was indeed Rachel Bilson. The OC is weird to me in that it feels ancient to me now, but still half the shows I look back on from “that period” all came before it, so it always throws me for a loop whenever I see the actors from things pre-OC (like Adam Brody in Gilmore Girls being another example).

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Glory was one hell of a Big Bad. She wasn't as deliciously despicable as S3's Mayor Wilkins, but she'd brain drain Jasmine in like ten minutes.

Now if Jasmine had The Beast and Angelus as backup, it'd be Jasmine all the way.

Even with those two, I’d still give it to Glory. Remember how quickly she took down the entire Knights of Byzantium by herself? The Beast couldn’t take her.

 

[ComicChick]

Even with those two, I’d still give it to Glory. Remember how quickly she took down the entire Knights of Byzantium by herself? The Beast couldn’t take her.

I feel like the beast might switch teams and join her instead lol

 

[mclay18]

I feel like the beast might switch teams and join her instead lol

Angelus could take down Glory by himself. He can't abide another big bad hogging Buffy's attention -- he wants her full attention when he's tormenting her.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I feel like the beast might switch teams and join her instead lol

That's an idea! LOL.

I loved the look of The Beast. I will never forget that promo for his first episode.



Gave 12 year old me chills.

 

[ComicChick]

Enough of my commentary for the night. But that episode (dirty girls) was pretty good. Kinda sucked to see some of the potentials die but as much as they forewarned it, it would be stupid to assume some didn’t die at some point.

But man, xanders eye made me close mine

 

[mclay18]

Enough of my commentary for the night. But that episode (dirty girls) was pretty good. Kinda sucked to see some of the potentials die but as much as they forewarned it, it would be stupid to assume some didn’t die at some point.

But man, xanders eye made me close mine

That was pushing it for a network show. Looking back, makes me think Joss treated Nicholas Brendon like s**t so he let Malcolm Reynolds maim Xander.

 

[mclay18]

Speaking of Buffy reunions.... it was just announced that Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia), James Marsters (Spike), Claire Kramer (Glory), Amber Benson (Tara), Kristine Sutherland (Joyce Summers) and Marc Blucas (Riley) are going to be at '90s Con in Hartford, CT this March 17-19, 2023. It's the second year for that convention (I went to it last year) -- and it is going to be MASSIVE.

It's a shame Sarah Michelle Gellar isn't a con person. She would have longer lines than the two Backstreet Boys that were there last year -- and they had two overflow sections for their autograph/selfie line.

 

[ComicChick]

Just finished the Jasmine arc and I think I enjoyed it a lot more this time around. It felt longer than it was but that’s not a bad thing. got one ep left in this season and lilah is back so I think I’ll be finishing this season and Buffy as a whole this weekend.

Speaking of, enjoying Buffy season 7 sooo much more than season 6 lol. It’s not perfect but stuff is happening. The mutiny was wow. Especially Xander saying something like he was trying to see her point but it must’ve been to his left.
I like that faith let the girls run loose a little at the bronze. she seems like she’s grown some whereas Buffy comes off a little judgy at times. It felt like she thought faith was causing trouble like old times when the cops were attacking her. But when the team picked Faith to lead them, at least Buffy said the right things to her. The spike and Andrew side quest is intriguing.

I wanna stay up and finish it but I’m exhausted. I’m going to finish this show this weekend I think. I can’t remember when I started watching it (maybe I’ll search back through the thread later) but it’s been interesting. thanks for bring my Watchers yall lol.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Slight sidebar, but I just finished rewatching it on HBO Max, how do you guys feel about the 1992 movie?

I've always enjoyed it and found it to be a guilty pleasure. It's crazy seeing Luke Perry and Alexis Arquette in this, knowing that they're both no longer with us anymore. They are still very missed.

But anyway...

 

[ComicChick]

Slight sidebar, but I just finished rewatching it on HBO Max, how do you guys feel about the 1992 movie?

I've always enjoyed it and found it to be a guilty pleasure. It's crazy seeing Luke Perry and Alexis Arquette in this, knowing that they're both no longer with us anymore. They are still very missed.

But anyway...

I don’t remember anything from the movie so I might watch that when I’m done!

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I don’t remember anything from the movie so I might watch that when I’m done!

Oh try it! It may not have been the vision that Whedon wanted, but it's still a very fun movie IMO.

 

[ComicChick]

Just finished the episode where Buffy found the axe in the stone a la King Arthur. It’s all nice a shiny lol.

was she amped up or something? Why did Caleb have such a hard time hitting her? Or was she just better prepared this time?

 

[Sithborg]

That was pushing it for a network show. Looking back, makes me think Joss treated Nicholas Brendon like s**t so he let Malcolm Reynolds maim Xander.

I'm sure you can make multiple papers on how Whedon writes his self insert character.

 

[ComicChick]

welp.

ended season 4 of Angel with the team moving into Wolfram and Hart. Nice try by Wesley to destroy Lilah's contract. I didn't really remember this episode at all, but i vaguely remembered connor being given an alternate happy life and being erased from everyone's memories. lawd, how many things is angel the sole rememberer for now? Connor, the day he spent with buffy human, etc?

CC's time with Buffy came to an end last night. It kinda felt like i've been on a ride haha. after the episode i started looking up some stuff on the buffy wiki and man, an hour or 2 later and i was soooo confused with where everything goes.

skipping over that, it was nice to see Angel around. kinda sucked he was there for a minute only and how she didn't want him to fight with her. i figured i'd take all the super-powered people i could find, but i guess it makes sense she didn't want to wipe out all the world's heroes if they failed. willow's spell saved them all, was kinda cool. the battle was pretty epic. was bummed to see Amanda died. she was probably my favorite potential. reminded me of them when the show started out i think. Anya dying so quietly just kinda worked? seeing her dead in the rubble while xander was looking for her was kinda sad though. did not expect andrew to live, or at least be so unscathed.

seeing the amulet turn Spike into a super bug zapper was cool. i liked him a lot more with a soul than that Season 6 version of him. i do think he loved buffy but i also kinda think he was right when he said she didn't love him back, but appreciated the words. i'm pretty sure "i love you" was the last thing she said on screen?
glad to see Wood come through alive, as CC liked her some Principal Wood lol. not sure how i felt about him and Faith pairing up, but it wasn't the worst thing. when buffy got stabbed from behind, for a split second i thought to myself 'they are not going to let her die saving the world again', so i was glad she didn't.

standing at the hole of the hellmouth in the end was a good send off. i mean, i would've loved more, but i can appreciate the quiet moment for buffy. everyone's talking about all this stuff (road trip to the cleveland hellmouth anyone?) and what's going to happen next, and buffy's just standing there with a moment of peace, smiling. i feel like that's the first smile she really has had since they brought her back to life. flaws and all, i can dig it.

there was more i was going to say, but that's all i can think of at the moment so i will end here. i think i'm going to give myself a little time before i start season 5. i vaguely remember tiny pieces of this season and i remember hating some things, so before i close the door on this universe, i'll take a tiny break.

 

[henzINNIT]

I like 'Chosen' quite a bit but it's always felt a little too quick and the battle-plan a little half-baked. I'm sure budget wouldn't have allowed for much more though. A huge nit-pick is how much weaker the so called uber-vamps are for the sake of story convenience. Watching the regular human characters wipe them out with ease is so weird after all the build up, and they could have easily been replaced by bringers too.

was she amped up or something? Why did Caleb have such a hard time hitting her? Or was she just better prepared this time?

Think it's a little of both. There seems to be some kind of positive effect for a slayer holding the scythe though it's not elaborated on much. In previous fights with Caleb, everyone was easily over-powered by him, but in that fight Buffy isn't trying to land a hit so she could easily out-maneuver him.

 

[mclay18]

Oh try it! It may not have been the vision that Whedon wanted, but it's still a very fun movie IMO.

I don’t think the 1992 film clicked at all, there’s a reason it’s forgotten. Kristy Swanson was miscast, the humor didn’t land and the less said about Paul Reubens, the better. The TV show nailed the humor and HS drama mixture beautifully.

Luke Perry would’ve been a perfect fit in the show.

 

[Lily Adler]

I don’t think the 1992 film clicked at all, there’s a reason it’s forgotten. Kristy Swanson was miscast, the humor didn’t land and the less said about Paul Reubens, the better. The TV show nailed the humor and HS drama mixture beautifully.

Luke Perry would’ve been a perfect fit in the show.

Who was Joss's self-insert character in the movie?

 

[mclay18]

Who was Joss's self-insert character in the movie?

It’s been a while, but I would wager Hillary Swank’s Cordelia-esque character.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I don’t think the 1992 film clicked at all, there’s a reason it’s forgotten. Kristy Swanson was miscast, the humor didn’t land and the less said about Paul Reubens, the better. The TV show nailed the humor and HS drama mixture beautifully.

Luke Perry would’ve been a perfect fit in the show.

LOL, I can't lie, I did like Paul Reubens in this movie. The scene where he gets staked is hysterical to me.

Pee Wee Herman on the other hand always gave me the creeps, but that's another thread.

 

[ComicChick]

i read in my wiki deep dive after finishing buffy that the character of justine was created on Angel only because Elizabeth Rohm (Kate) was not available. i'm glad she wasn't available. i would've hated if that's the path they took for Kate

 

[henzINNIT]

i read in my wiki deep dive after finishing buffy that the character of justine was created on Angel only because Elizabeth Rohm (Kate) was not available. i'm glad she wasn't available. i would've hated if that's the path they took for Kate

Yeah agreed. Kate deserved to find some kind of peace and a better purpose. She wasn't a bad person, I'd have been bummed to see her sink even further.

 

[ComicChick]

Yeah agreed. Kate deserved to find some kind of peace and a better purpose. She wasn't a bad person, I'd have been bummed to see her sink even further.

right. i didn't think she was bad either. her life had been turned upside down and she was justifiably sad, upset, scared. her family was gone, her dad murdered. her career pretty much over. in my mind she eventually got over it and got back on track, even maybe still keeping up with the supernatural crimes. i don't think she became a full on "rogue demon hunter" a la Wesley lol. but i think she still ended up helping people. at least in CC's AU lol

 

[henzINNIT]

right. i didn't think she was bad either. her life had been turned upside down and she was justifiably sad, upset, scared. her family was gone, her dad murdered. her career pretty much over. in my mind she eventually got over it and got back on track, even maybe still keeping up with the supernatural crimes. i don't think she became a full on "rogue demon hunter" a la Wesley lol. but i think she still ended up helping people. at least in CC's AU lol

Fighting the good fight somewhere is my canon too heh. I didn't read many of the comics, but I remember she made a brief re-appearance in Angel's sequel comic "After the Fall" and she was pretty much a rogue demon hunter there.