BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 6

[LEVITIKUZ]

Yep.

Second time I saw Age of Ultron I went from loving it to feeling pretty meh about it. Second time I saw Ant-Man made me like it even more. Changing opinions is common because you can pick up on things that you didn't in your first viewing, and look at the movie knowing what's coming and how it's going to play out.

I remember seeing AOU first time being disappointed only bc I loved Avengers and didn't feel the film was as good as that. It was good but could have been better. Love the heroes but Ultron was undeveloped.

Second time, I liked it a bit more. Still fell Ultron is undeveloped but the heroes are so great.

Next to Cap, I'd say Vision is the best cinematic Superman AT THIS MOMENT

Because of course after Reeve's Supers, Iron Giant is the best cinematic Superman.

What's Brad Bird up to?

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

as i said, i think i misunderstood how much pony boy 'liked' the movie yesterday. art criticism is a favorite topic of mine, i wasn't trying to offend by bringing it up, just the contrary. i think we all get that people change their minds all the time, and that's a good thing, but critics are also put in a tighter spot, but as i said, that's getting too off topic and so i tried squelching it from the get-go.

 

[Stark Bauer]

On this whole rewatching a movie a second time thing. If it's a movie you loved like The Force Awakens, you want to repeat those good feelings you felt the first time around and look for things you didn't notice before.

For a movie you didn't like so much? Well it means you are straining to find the good. It is a more keen and critical eye, paying attention to minute details and the craft of filmmaking. It means a second chance and in my book a second chance means you are offering something that has failed you a chance at redemption. And that my friends is the story of America. Lol

 

[danoyse]

For people who say that bad reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are meaningless:

The Tomato Meter for BvS (particularly its unfavorable nature) is currently trending on Twitter and Facebook.

Explain to me again how this doesn't affect word of mouth.

We have a whole group at work checking the score, because we're going to see it tonight. One even sent me screenshot of the 33% this morning with "Yeesh" right above it.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Rip BvS

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Nothing is dead or dying yet.

 

[Poni_Boy]

He even gave that as a reason why he gave up being a tomatoer. He didn't want to give a movie a final verdict after just one viewing.

Pretty much. I don't care about being first, I care about being fair.

My dad took me to see the first Superman in the theater. I was 4, and I loved it. Movie theaters still sold programs back then, and he bought me one (which I don't have anymore). When II came out, my sister was big enough to come with us, so we saw it with a bunch of our friends. We were little kids, but it was Superman and he was so cool.

My sister's favorite superhero is Superman, because of how much we loved those movies as kids. Now she has an 8-year-old, and she can't really take him to the new Superman movie because it's too dark and violent. As kids who grew up with these, that is SO messed up.

I don't need a retread of the Reeve movies, but why can't we have Superman movies that everyone can enjoy like we did back then??

Honestly at this point I'll settle for [BLACKOUT]a Superman that doesn't kill. He's got three under his belt now.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

well even the phantom menace is like 60 percent fresh.

 

[Micromind]

What's Brad Bird up to?

He's in Mouse's team.

 

[Matt]

My dad took me to see the first Superman in the theater. I was 4, and I loved it. Movie theaters still sold programs back then, and he bought me one (which I don't have anymore). When II came out, my sister was big enough to come with us, so we saw it with a bunch of our friends. We were little kids, but it was Superman and he was so cool.

My sister's favorite superhero is Superman, because of how much we loved those movies as kids. Now she has an 8-year-old, and she can't really take him to the new Superman movie because it's too dark and violent. As kids who grew up with these, that is SO messed up.

I don't need a retread of the Reeve movies, but why can't we have Superman movies that everyone can enjoy like we did back then??

I agree entirely. It saddens me that Claire cannot see Superman as we did as kids. It is sad and selfish that the fandom (or at least a vocal minority of it) has decided that the character is so "boring" that the only way to make him interesting is to make him fun in favor of some "dark and gritty" nonsense that undermines the character's entire message of optimism and hope.

Its even sadder that Warners has bought into this nonsense.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Yeah. And here's the thing about RT. I feel like it's a flawed system in that at times, some films should be rated higher or lower. I think MOS deserves to at least be fresh, and I think that Thor 2 should definitely be rotten. But it is a pretty good barometer for a film's quality if the scores are really high or really low. Take Batman and Superman out of the equation. Let's just say this was some random movie that you thought looked cool from seeing the trailers. Opening weekend comes around and it's at 33%. There's a good chance that you'd skip it. Be honest. And even if you do still go see it, you'll probably be expecting a bad movie. It's the same if you checked the RT and it was at 85% - you'd be expecting a good movie. And 9 tmes out of 10 you'd be right.

This is so true. Was originally going with 4 other people. They all backed out except one person. And he's criticizing it already and we're going tomorrow. But yeah I'm expecting a mess of sorts.

It's just so frustrating because I feel like the had so much time to make this good but yeah. In all honesty I'm not sure if I really want to like this film. I don't have to be stuck defending a universally panned film. That's the worst feeling.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Maybe you misunderstood. It's not "adult" as in mature, deep or sophisticated. It's dark, violent, and nihilistic. It's Watchmen with Batman and Superman but with more bloat.

That's how I understood it lol. As the latter. I enjoyed both 300 and Watchmen. It's great to have a variety of CBMs. Refreshing actually. marvel does their light hearted thing based in reality, and DC does their edgy, dark, nihilistic, gods on earth Nu-mythology thing.

 

[danoyse]

Well, there are a lot of DC products made for (and/or appealing to) children:

Superhero Girls (I do recommend this; it seems awesome. I haven't watched many though). http://origin.dcsuperherogirls.com/en-us. They are making more animated stuff in this universe (lot of toys too - some of them actually look better than collectibles).

Every time I've seen those toys in Target, they're almost totally sold out. It's almost as if girls like superhero toys too or something...

And they are very cool, I would have flipped over those when I was a kid.

 

[Tony Gunk]

BvS is dead. Bury it

JL has been cancelled, consider this mercy

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Yep.

Second time I saw Age of Ultron I went from loving it to feeling pretty meh about it. Second time I saw Ant-Man made me like it even more. Changing opinions is common because you can pick up on things that you didn't in your first viewing, and look at the movie knowing what's coming and how it's going to play out.

Great example Bats. I had precisely the same experience with AoU and AM. Can we be friends?

And just a general FYI, most (traditional) film critics see a movie at least two times before writing a review. This is a good thing BTW.

 

[TripleJ]

Because when you're doing an adaption of franchise for the mainstream, and yes this was very much made to be a mainstream movie, you should at least try to keep the core of the character alive. When you go to a Batman movie, you generally want to see Batman. Not Vampire!Batman, not Medieval!Batman, but the comic book Batman. And like I said in my previous post, those multiverse version's worked because they're subversion's of the character. When you introduce a character to the mainstream, you should give them the actual character.

And what is this actual character? Just tell me. What is the "actual" version of Batman? Or Superman?

Get a room full of Batman or Superman fans and you will never get them to agree on a version. Different people like different versions.

There are versions of Batman and Superman that kills, and there are versions that have a "strict" code against killing, no matter what.

And if we are going by the last statement, I guess all Batman movies made so far can be ignored. Because they were all interpretations of those creatives. Heck, Burton himself has said that he hasn't read any comic books. He made movies based on his understanding - and he created Batman, his version of Batman.

Likewise, Donner created his version, his vision of Superman. So, don't bother making statements such as "actual" character, because that's meaningless. You will never get fans to agree on it.

And besides, many of these versions (even the popular ones) don't resemble the original creations.

Oh, btw comic book Batman wouldn't work either - since even across the main stream line - the main continuities of DC - characters have changed.

 

[Micromind]

I don't have to be stuck defending a universally panned film. That's the worst feeling.

I'm hearing a lot of this, fans don't want to defend this movie even if they like a part of it, and this mentality is keeping away other fans from going.

it's a bit like nobody wants to defend a losing sports team.

 

[Poni_Boy]

This is so true. Was originally going with 4 other people. They all backed out except one person. And he's criticizing it already and we're going tomorrow. But yeah I'm expecting a mess of sorts.

It's just so frustrating because I feel like the had so much time to make this good but yeah. In all honesty I'm not sure if I really want to like this film. I don't have to be stuck defending a universally panned film. That's the worst feeling.

Going to the movies is expensive and time consuming. Same with dining out. Or buying a computer. This is why critics exist. This is why I don't understand the utter contempt for them.

I agree entirely. It saddens me that Claire cannot see Superman as we did as kids. It is sad and selfish that the fandom (or at least a vocal minority of it) has decided that the character is so "boring" that the only way to make him interesting is to make him fun in favor of some "dark and gritty" nonsense that undermines the character's entire message of optimism and hope.

Its even sadder that Warners has bought into this nonsense.

Selfish. That's the only thing I keep thinking over and over and over. The DC animated movies are like the Marvel Netflix shows, to give fans the chance to see something adapted that is geared toward them. I just rewatced Public Enemies this morning. Wow. It's like BvS is bizarro World's Finest.

 

[MrsKent26]

I agree entirely. It saddens me that Claire cannot see Superman as we did as kids. It is sad and selfish that the fandom (or at least a vocal minority of it) has decided that the character is so "boring" that the only way to make him interesting is to make him fun in favor of some "dark and gritty" nonsense that undermines the character's entire message of optimism and hope.

Its even sadder that Warners has bought into this nonsense.

Are you saying that this "selfish" fandom (as in people who like the darker approach) should stop supporting what they like for the sake of the children?

 

[TripleJ]

Every time I've seen those toys in Target, they're almost totally sold out. It's almost as if girls like superhero toys too or something...

And they are very cool, I would have flipped over those when I was a kid.

Yeah, I have heard that from a couple of people. They are making animated shorts/movies/series that go along with the toys. It airs in Boomerang, if I am not mistaken.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I still don't give a damn about critics. Most of them are losers who tries to earn some career out of doing nothing and going by what's trendy in their social circle. It's like lowest of the low jobs. People who can't do it themselves criticizing "professionally" the professionals to earn some cash.

Posters that true to themselves gets my attention eighter they like the movie or not.

 

[Stark Bauer]

My dad took me to see the first Superman in the theater. I was 4, and I loved it. Movie theaters still sold programs back then, and he bought me one (which I don't have anymore). When II came out, my sister was big enough to come with us, so we saw it with a bunch of our friends. We were little kids, but it was Superman and he was so cool.

My sister's favorite superhero is Superman, because of how much we loved those movies as kids. Now she has an 8-year-old, and she can't really take him to the new Superman movie because it's too dark and violent. As kids who grew up with these, that is SO messed up.

I don't need a retread of the Reeve movies, but why can't we have Superman movies that everyone can enjoy like we did back then??

Well said. I think the parallel would be if Marvel's new Spider Man all of a sudden started snapping the necks of his main antagonists. I understand better how a parent would feel now. It is sad.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I agree entirely. It saddens me that Claire cannot see Superman as we did as kids. It is sad and selfish that the fandom (or at least a vocal minority of it) has decided that the character is so "boring" that the only way to make him interesting is to make him fun in favor of some "dark and gritty" nonsense that undermines the character's entire message of optimism and hope.

Its even sadder that Warners has bought into this nonsense.

Couple posters here told me Superman actually is quite inspiring at times and hopeful. Is it really as bleak as people say?

 

[Poni_Boy]

And just a general FYI, most (traditional) film critics see a movie at least two times before writing a review. This is a good thing BTW.

I'm sure they know or don't mind that. They just don't like that my response was more negative this time. If I had praised it they'd be patting me on the proverbial back and quoting me around other threads.

 

[Flint Marko]

Gotta love when people badmouth movie critics when they say things they don't want to hear.
"If they're not going to validate what I like, I'm not gonna validate their profession!"

 

[Matchstick]

No no no, I have to stick with my first reaction. That's what I agreed to do when I took this job. If I want to change my opinion after further inspection of anything I cover I should resign immediately. Who do I think I am anyway?

Are you permitted to rewrite and resubmit your review? Would you even want to?