BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 8

[DarthSkywalker]

That's too bad. I joined this board as a Batman and Superman fan in 2011 who was super pumped for TDKR and MOS, but stopped coming around these parts very often after all of the backlash against critics of that film.

There really is an us against the mentality. It has with everyone, and as a Star Wars fan, I have seen and been apart of the worst. I just... I like my boards more mellow most of the time. But the movie just came out, so here I am.

 

[DKDetective]

Well, it does appear that the general audience is following the critics. BvS got a very poor B CinemaScore , which is the same as Green Lantern and Ghost Rider for comparison. Can we stop with the critics are biased nonsense now?

 

[Mike_D202]

I'd say this is about right, my ass will be in the theater this Sunday.

 

[DA_Champion]

Well, it does appear that the general audience is following the critics. BvS got a very poor B CinemaScore , which is the same as Green Lantern and Ghost Rider for comparison. Can we stop with the critics are biased nonsense now?

We should have stopped with that a long time ago.

 

[The Joker]

Well, it does appear that the general audience is following the critics. BvS got a very poor B CinemaScore , which is the same as Green Lantern and Ghost Rider for comparison. Can we stop with the critics are biased nonsense now?

You're preaching to the choir here. The more level headed posters seem to frequent this thread. It's the conspiracy theorists about bias and bribes that are in the other threads. Especially the open discussion thread at the top of the forum. Actually had a serious debate with someone in there who said they thought the critics were being bribed to hate the movie.

 

[antonydelfini]

Yeah I love BvS but I'm not thinking of critical bias or whatsoever. People just have different taste in movies, simple as that.

 

[Wylie Times]

You're preaching to the choir here. The more level headed posters seem to frequent this thread. It's the conspiracy theorists about bias and bribes that are in the other threads. Especially the open discussion thread at the top of the forum. Actually had a serious debate with someone in there who said they thought the critics were being bribed to hate the movie.

Also lets not forget the "You just don't get Snyder's vision man" crowd.

Or the "You gotta be a hardcore comic fan to really get this movie" people.

 

[kaneluan06]

I'd say this is about right, my ass will be in the theater this Sunday.

it sat at more than 90% a couple of days ago, the audience rating has been dropping like a brick

 

[DKDetective]

Also lets not forget the "You just don't get Snyder's vision man" crowd.

Or the "You gotta be a hardcore comic fan to really get this movie" people.

Well, I can tell you that I know The Dark Knight Returns better than Snyder. In the sequence where the Mutants have kidnapped the baby, Batman does not shoot the Mutants holding the baby hostage in the head like Snyder says. There is no bullet wound on the Mutant's face after the shot. Rather, it appears that Batman either terrified the Mutant by shooting next to her head or clipped her in the shoulder like in the animated adaptation.

 

[kaneluan06]

Well, I can tell you that I know The Dark Knight Returns better than Snyder. In the sequence where the Mutants have kidnapped the baby, Batman does not shoot the Mutants holding the baby hostage in the head like Snyder says. There is no bullet wound on the Mutant's face after the shot. Rather, it appears that Batman either terrified the Mutant by shooting next to her head or clipped her in the shoulder like in the animated adaptation.

That scene in TDKR was really ambiguous and Miller even had the press emphasized the fact that Batman hasn't killed anyone before the carnival scene with joker.

 

[DKDetective]

That scene in TDKR was really ambiguous and Miller even had the press emphasized the fact that Batman hasn't killed anyone before the carnival scene with joker.

Yep, it was ambiguous, but as you say, the outcome was implicit from other scenes in the story. Ie. The rubber bullets when taking on the Mutant Army and the comments made by the media during the Carnival scene. Snyder can't read between the lines.

 

[The Whizzer]

I feel embarassed with my taste because this is the first movie below 50 percent that I love. The only things I did not like was Doomsday and Justice League preview.

I can top your guilty pleasure because I really, legitimately liked Trank's Fantastic Four movie and would love to see a director's cut. Not that that's ever going to happen.

 

[hafizbat]

Watched it for the second and almost assuredly final time tonight. Even worse than the first time. It was honestly hard to sit through the entire thing. I have never, ever felt that way about a superhero movie, even the worst ones like SM3. I have no desire to ever watch this boring, depressing movie again. Somewhere, deep, deep under this gray mess, was the Batman/Superman movie I wanted to see. Snyder took that and distorted it and turned it into a bleak zombie of a movie.

My final rating? Ratings only really matter between 7-10, mediocre to excellent. This movie doesn't even reach that, so it doesn't even deserve a number. All it gets from me is a FAIL.

The movie starts with a funeral and ends with a funeral and everything in between feels like a funeral. If this is the DCEU, please spare me. Since watching it on Monday night I've spent loads and loads of time thinking about it and talking about it and taking it all in. I think I've had my fill. I have no interest in continuing to discuss this movie, or its predecessor or its future. Spent wayyy too many hours of my life on this, from MOS to these 3 years of hype. Pretty much over it. Don't really care what happens at this point.

After having my soul sucked out again watching the movie tonight, I'm ready to close the book on it for good. It's been fun, even if the movie was not.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, I just saw the film with my partner. It was...bad. Like...abysmally poor. I can't even say more about its flaws than anyone else here has. But I will say this: my guy is not a fanboy at all. He only goes to see these movies because I adore Marvel and DC.

As we walked out of the theater he simply said "That movie gave me a f***ing headache." He feels the film talked over his head. And I would definitely count him as "general audiences.".

 

[Kobra]

Watched it for the second and almost assuredly final time tonight. Even worse than the first time. It was honestly hard to sit through the entire thing. I have never, ever felt that way about a superhero movie, even the worst ones like SM3. I have no desire to ever watch this boring, depressing movie again. Somewhere, deep, deep under this gray mess, was the Batman/Superman movie I wanted to see. Snyder took that and distorted it and turned it into a bleak zombie of a movie.

My final rating? Ratings only really matter between 7-10, mediocre to excellent. This movie doesn't even reach that, so it doesn't even deserve a number. All it gets from me is a FAIL.

The movie starts with a funeral and ends with a funeral and everything in between feels like a funeral. If this is the DCEU, please spare me. Since watching it on Monday night I've spent loads and loads of time thinking about it and talking about it and taking it all in. I think I've had my fill. I have no interest in continuing to discuss this movie, or its predecessor or its future. Spent wayyy too many hours of my life on this, from MOS to these 3 years of hype. Pretty much over it. Don't really care what happens at this point.

After having my soul sucked out again watching the movie tonight, I'm ready to close the book on it for good. It's been fun, even if the movie was not.

Well, we have plenty of sugar coated movies out there. We will survive.

 

[Chesterfield]

Most fan reviews are positive, but almost all of the critic reviews are negative. Here's why: Superman's one of the most well-known characters in the world and there are more expectations and preconceptions with him than there are with any other superhero. Marvel has put out so many movies that have a light tone, most of which are great, and so many people only have a passing familiarity with a cartoonish Superman, that it's created a bias in our current movie climate against a more serious and adult Superman movie set in a world where there's real consequences to superheroes.

MOST OF THE CRITICISM OF THIS MOVIE IS COMPLETE BOLOGNA. People shouldn't expect this to be Iron Man, it's not trying to be. And that's a GREAT thing. I give it a 4.5 out of 5.

You clearly don't get it. If YOU loved it then great, lucky for you.

However, it's not about superman being ironman or DC trying to be Marvel. It's about the situation in that WB/DC made terrible decisions in putting this film together and butchering their characters while poorly telling a shockingly thin story.

We all know who superman is. We all know who batman is. Why deviate from what makes these characters so iconic and fundamentally loved in the first place. As it happens, clearly, these 2 distinct characters failed to show up in this movie. Audiences; fans and critics have no problem with seriousness and consequences but if the execution is mishandled and poorly done then there will be backlash. TDKT is flawed but is still highly regarded and talked about. Those are films that deals with seriousness, consequences and handled maturely. Are people forgetting Ironman and TDK came out months apart? 2 Very different films and yet somehow both were received well. See, that's what happens when film makers know wtf they're doing. Products don't have to be the same thing; they just need to focus on why we love these characters in the first place and to be fundamentally good movies. When that doesn't happen we get what's happening now with BvS.

 

[jmc]

Well, I just saw the film with my partner. It was...bad. Like...abysmally poor. I can't even say more about its flaws than anyone else here has. But I will say this: my guy is not a fanboy at all. He only goes to see these movies because I adore Marvel and DC.

As we walked out of the theater he simply said "That movie gave me a f***ing headache." He feels the film talked over his head. And I would definitely count him as "general audiences.".

This is why you don't pander to fans.

 

[bapi]

Well, it does appear that the general audience is following the critics. BvS got a very poor B CinemaScore , which is the same as Green Lantern and Ghost Rider for comparison. Can we stop with the critics are biased nonsense now?

Yeah, that's why I definitely expect second weekend drop around 70%. Also think OS legs will be very poor.

 

[MadVillainy]

i think the main thing that'll help this Box office wise is the fact there is little to no competition until Barbershop 3 comes out I think.
Unless Zootopia gets a 2nd wind

 

[Jaxon]

What in this movie would the GA not get?

My friends are GA. Leaving the movie afterwards there were a few things I needed to explain to them principally the Darkseid stuff which they had no idea about when that sequence was going on.
Other than that, the motivations were clear to them, the resolution clear, the link to Man of Steel clear. Yeah they got everything else.

 

[Jaxon]

i think the main thing that'll help this Box office wise is the fact there is little to no competition until Barbershop 3 comes out I think.
Unless Zootopia gets a 2nd wind

Jungle Book in 3 weeks

 

[MadVillainy]

Jungle Book in 3 weeks

comes out same weekend at Barbershop 3. So still same time frame. 3 weeks at the top.

 

[Mjölnir]

I'd say this is about right, my ass will be in the theater this Sunday.

Someone said that it had about 100k voters, with 98%, before the movie had it's wide release, so given that the reactions that have come after it's release must be pretty bad to drag the score down that much.

Audience ratings for properties with lots of fanboys are worthless because they vote maximum positive even without seeing the movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

Someone said that it had about 100k voters, with 98%, before the movie had it's wide release, so given that the reactions that have come after it's release must be pretty bad to drag the score down that much.

Audience ratings for properties with lots of fanboys are worthless because they vote maximum positive even without seeing the movie.

and vice versa. Some people vote negative without seeing it too.

Audience score ratings are very difficult to trust.

 

[jmc]

They are borderline pointless. That's why I don't trust user reviews on big budget films like this.