BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 8

[Wylie Times]

I just read through the reddit BvS thread and my god, people really think TDKR Batman kills? All the talks about tank attacks and Batman being old and willing to kill and stuff. In fact, I think the same pop up in some threads around too

Does no one actually read the book?

Bruce doesn't have a single kill in TDKR. He definitely cripples a bunch of people though.

 

[Plaidchuck]

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[Monochron]

I just read through the reddit BvS thread and my god, people really think TDKR Batman kills? All the talks about tank attacks and Batman being old and willing to kill and stuff. In fact, I think the same pop up in some threads around too

Does no one actually read the book?

Snyder did an interview where he said TDKR Batman kills all the time. That made me curious so I researched a bit and found this:

Spoiler

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L6F1N0Mfupc/TwkZ8GUgOEI/AAAAAAAAAN0/iybdMgN7zJs/s1600/ibelieveyou1.gif

I guess there's at least one moment in TDKR where he kills. [BLACKOUT]Snyder pretty much recreated this for the movie only he's saving Martha.
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[SpideyZERO]

The next page show the mutant blooded on his shoulder so I always thought that's what happened. Didn't the animation do that as well? I really didn't think he kill here, if not Joker wouldn't try to make Batman to break his no kill policy

But Snyder definitely misinterpret though

Snyder: There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot.

Right

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Um...No.

TDK still stands today as one of, if not, the best CBM made to date. The argument of 'if it were made today' is irrelevant...TDK has inspired a whole new breed of CBM films and elevated the genre to a new high point much like SM2 did back in '04.

I also really hate and find disgusting this whole 'Marvel v DC' crap. Why is it so difficult for some people to understand that bad films are just that, bad films? Critics are not going out of their way to bash this movie 'cause it ain't Marvel.' That's ridiculous and it's ridiculous to conclude that the only reason it's not getting good reviews is because of some hidden agenda. If you love this movie, more power to you, but don't slam people for having a differing opinion and try and make up reservations to justify why they don't like it.

I see plenty of Bat/Supes fans condemning this film as much as I see others. AND...more importantly, they have good reasons for doing so.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Snyder doesn't need to read it.

He just improves upon what he glanced at.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

If he killed that guy why was he back to the "I won't kill you" dance with the Joker later in the story again?

 

[Flint Marko]

Um...No.

TDK still stands today as one of, if not, the best CBM made to date. The argument of 'if it were made today' is irrelevant...TDK has inspired a whole new breed of CBM films and elevated the genre to a new high point much like SM2 did back in '04.

I also really hate and find disgusting this whole 'Marvel v DC' crap. Why is it so difficult for some people to understand that bad films are just that, bad films? Critics are not going out of their way to bash this movie 'cause it ain't Marvel.' That's ridiculous and it's ridiculous to conclude that the only reason it's not getting good reviews is because of some hidden agenda. If you love this movie, more power to you, but don't slam people for having a differing opinion and try and make up reservations to justify why they don't like it.

I see plenty of Bat/Supes fans condemning this film as much as I see others. AND...more importantly, they have good reasons for doing so.

The only bias I see here is demonstrated by some of the ones vehemently defending this movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The Dark knight was the reason the Academy extended their Best Picture category, because even they knew they ****ed up.

But hey, at least they recognized the cultural and critical juggernauts that were Frost/Nixon and The Reader!

Frost/Nixon was great.

 

[Wylie Times]

The only bias I see here is demonstrated by some of the ones vehemently defending this movie.

They're not even defending the movie, they're just attacking anyone that says they didn't like it.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Well, having now seen the movie, I can safely say I have no idea how it's getting such awful reviews. I went with 7 people, and while it was far from perfect, we all agreed it in no way deserved freaking 30%! I don't get how so many people can think this was worse than MOS or so many other films it's scoring lower than.

 

[The Joker]

I don't get how anyone can think it's not worse than MOS. I am no fan of MOS. but it wasn't a choppy, rushed, badly edited movie, with pointless dream scenes, a cartoony villain, a video game looking climax, and Superman was even more wooden and dull in BvS. Even the great Affleck wasn't enough to save the movie.

 

[third3ye]

You're right, the drop for this one will be even bigger

This Cinemascore is our best proxy for GA reactions and WOM, pretty much squashes hope that the GA loved it despite the critics. A lower score than MOS is pretty discouraging. The only money this movie will make will be from the hype train(wreck).

 

[CaptainWagner]

I don't get how anyone can think it's not worse than MOS. I am no fan of MOS. but it wasn't a choppy, rushed, badly edited movie, with pointless dream scenes, a cartoony villain, a video game looking climax, and Superman was even more wooden and dull in BvS. Even the great Affleck wasn't enough to save the movie.

Well, my group all loved Eisenburg and Superman, and thought the film was if anything, too dragged out as opposed to rushed.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

The only bias I see here is demonstrated by some of the ones vehemently defending this movie.

Yes. I was responding directly to the person that made that particular post and, those that are likeminded, of course.

 

[bapi]

I don't get how anyone can think it's not worse than MOS. I am no fan of MOS. but it wasn't a choppy, rushed, badly edited movie, with pointless dream scenes, a cartoony villain, a video game looking climax, and Superman was even more wooden and dull in BvS. Even the great Affleck wasn't enough to save the movie.

Yeah, at least MoS had some story. BvS is just a compilation of some scenes.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

Well, having now seen the movie, I can safely say I have no idea how it's getting such awful reviews. I went with 7 people, and while it was far from perfect, we all agreed it in no way deserved freaking 30%! I don't get how so many people can think this was worse than MOS or so many other films it's scoring lower than.

Same here 30% is like big WTF

 

[Wylie Times]

I don't get how anyone can think it's not worse than MOS. I am no fan of MOS. but it wasn't a choppy, rushed, badly edited movie, with pointless dream scenes, a cartoony villain, a video game looking climax, and Superman was even more wooden and dull in BvS. Even the great Affleck wasn't enough to save the movie.

Because people are different and have different opinions and tastes than other people.


That's always the answer to any "I don't get how anyone could/couldn't like___" questions/statements.

 

[FunkMiller]

Snyder did an interview where he said TDKR Batman kills all the time. That made me curious so I researched a bit and found this:

Spoiler

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L6F1N0Mfupc/TwkZ8GUgOEI/AAAAAAAAAN0/iybdMgN7zJs/s1600/ibelieveyou1.gif

I guess there's at least one moment in TDKR where he kills. [BLACKOUT]Snyder pretty much recreated this for the movie only he's saving Martha.
[/BLACKOUT]

He doesn't kill the mutant. Notice the bullet hole above the mutant's shocked face?

Yeah. There you go.

Miller has said that his Batman doesn't kill. And he doesn't. Ever.

 

[Steelsheen]

how important is RT scoring for me? a big fat 0%.

because its CRITICS ratings, and critics have always been disconnected with the pulse of movie goers. why are they still around? because sheeps. or minions. or whatever they hell they call those who couldnt form their own opinion and always have to seek what others think of something before they can act.

anyway i left my rating at RT just so people can see how laughable critics ratings are compared to audience ratings.

 

[william]

 

[Flint Marko]

Note that with Sharknado there's less than 20 reviews. Can we stop pretending that's comparable or an indictment on RT?

B Cinemascore for this movie is atrocious and easily the thing WB is most worried about right now.

Holy **** that's not good. That's a notch above Green Lantern.
And why do some people feel justified in saying this is going over well with the GA? I haven't made a remark either way yet, I find it best to give some time to really see where it lands when the dust settles, but the feedback I'm hearing from folks I know as well as the cinemascore shows this movie isn't what the defenders would like to pretend it is.

They're not even defending the movie, they're just attacking anyone that says they didn't like it.

Those folks come with every movie, honestly. I think it's weirder when someone is defending something from any and all angles. When I see someone do that I always ask, "is this movie perfect? Sure sounds like it."
I wish there was one person here who would just say "I liked this movie because it was cool seeing Batman and Superman, two of my favorite heroes, on screen together" and leave it at that.

Because people are different and have different opinions and tastes than other people.

That's always the answer to any "I don't get how anyone could/couldn't like___" questions/statements.

To be fair MoS at least had a clear, focused narrative. I don't think it's a good movie but it wasn't as haphazardly thrown together as this.

 

[The Joker]

Well, my group all loved Eisenburg and Superman, and thought the film was if anything, too dragged out as opposed to rushed.

Well if your group liked it then that's great. I don't see the point in mentioning that though. I mean the two friends who I saw it with didn't care for Eisenberg or Superman, and one didn't even like Affleck. But what does this prove?

Because people are different and have different opinions and tastes than other people.


That's always the answer to any "I don't get how anyone could/couldn't like___" questions/statements.

I know, it was meant more of a light hearted sarcastic response to his "I don't get" remark.

It has 17 reviews....

 

[Monochron]

The next page show the mutant blooded on his shoulder so I always thought that's what happened. Didn't the animation do that as well? I really didn't think he kill here, if not Joker wouldn't try to make Batman to break his no kill policy

But Snyder definitely misinterpret though



Right

If he killed that guy why was he back to the "I won't kill you" dance with the Joker later in the story again?

Honestly guys I don't know. I've never read the comic and those pages are just what I got by searching "the dark knight returns i believe you".

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Do you not see that there are 17 reviews?