BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 8

[Nokio]

No, they show Wally making the bombs. But disgusting and offensive? Hyperbole.

Wally wasnt making bombs man. Why would he be? He didnt know he was going to that hearing. I thought he was tsping up spray psint cans or something. When i go for my 2nd viewing ill pay closer attention.. it was all Lex, where in the hell would that man get the resources and tech to smuggle in a bomb that couldn't be detected at the US Capitol? The guy was sitting there unawares. He didn't hit no trigger.

 

[micheal81]

Zack Snyder takes a man who survived Superman's rampage in MoS (he lost his legs, though)... an equivalent of a 9/11 survivor and turns him into a suicide bomber. Just in case you want to know why I find this movie so disgusting and offensive.

Yet someone else who didn't pay attention. How was it not clear that Lex set him up? He had no clue there was a bomb in the chair. He was there to testify against Superman.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

i think many people just didn't like the washed out colors but i loved the cinematography because it had that terrence mallick feel

Love that shot so much. That scene reminded me so much of the art work in Secret Identity (which is one of my favourite GN's visually).

 

[Stark Bauer]

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No, it's not the Superman I know and love. But i've accepted that this universe is like Snyder's elseworlds story, and there are enough great moments that make it really enjoyable to me.

If we are going to use that Elseworlds excuse, same could be said of all the horrible CBMs. F4 could be based on Elsewords ideas. The problem is BvS is meant to appeal to the GA. And you can't do that if you aren't portraying the characters properly. There is an ideology a pure representation of what these characters stand for, it was not the Superman that the original creators intended.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I am curious to know how many words of dialogue Superman gets in the movie. I'm betting it is less than 300 words.

 

[sportjames23]

Yet someone else who didn't pay attention. How was it not clear that Lex set him up? He had no clue there was a bomb in the chair. He was there to testify against Superman.

Thank you. I can't see how anyone couldn't see how Lex set the whole thing up.

 

[The Joker]

I am curious to know how many words of dialogue Superman gets in the movie. I'm betting it is less than 300 words.

And all of them forgettable.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Regarding the scene in the beginning where

Spoiler

Superman kills a terrorist by flying him through a wall, it didn't seem like it was his intention to kill him but with great power comes great responsibility. Also the Capitol Hill scene was tragic. He is Superman. He should have seen that bomb coming a la Heisenberg.

Overall I thought it wasn't so much what i mentioned above that bugged me, it's his lack of charm, the boy scout personality that is supposed to match his actions, his own actions didn't have conviction behind them and saving people seemed just like a job to him. Not a passion for the work and his purpose, more of saving people out of obligation and devoid of warmth.

 

[DA_Champion]

And all of them forgettable.

I disagree.

When asked about the casualties in Africa he said "I don't care", and I won't forget.

When meeting Bruce Wayne in the future, his justification for killing him is "you took the woman i love," I won't forget.

 

[Daywalker89]

Yet someone else who didn't pay attention. How was it not clear that Lex set him up? He had no clue there was a bomb in the chair. He was there to testify against Superman.

Yea,simple as that really. Alot of people around here with redmist throughout there screening. Oh and for the other lot that are saying why didn't Superman clock the bomb, well there was a scene with clark and lois on the balcony touching on that .

 

[Oscorp]

Zack Snyder takes a man who survived Superman's rampage in MoS (he lost his legs, though)... an equivalent of a 9/11 survivor and turns him into a suicide bomber. Just in case you want to know why I find this movie so disgusting and offensive.

This post, to me, feels like an example of seeing what you want to see. Like most people who are too easily offended. This is too far fetched to make sense to me.

 

[DeadPresident]

I can't imagine that's anything but a stealth troll. There's been an influx since the movie's release.

 

[Oscorp]

To answer the question of this topic: it's not important to me personally. I enjoyed it, I can take that others didn't.

I see the criticism as valid and I 100% see the problems many are pointing out. I still enjoyed it though, and that's what matters to me.

 

[sportjames23]

Regarding the scene in the beginning where

Spoiler

Superman kills a terrorist by flying him through a wall, it didn't seem like it was his intention to kill him but with great power comes great responsibility. Also the Capitol Hill scene was tragic. He is Superman. He should have seen that bomb coming a la Heisenberg.

Overall I thought it wasn't so much what i mentioned above that bugged me, it's his lack of charm, the boy scout personality that is supposed to match his actions, his own actions didn't have conviction behind them and saving people seemed just like a job to him. Not a passion for the work and his purpose, more of saving people out of obligation and devoid of warmth.

Spoiler

Superman didn't kill him. He even said later on that he didn't kill anyone. And why should he have seen the bomb coming?

Oh, and he seemed like he enjoyed saving people. Or are you overlooking the smile on his face when he saved the girl at the Day of the Dead celebration?

 

[BH/HHH]

And all of them forgettable.

Can I just say what's the obsession with dialogue from films been quotable? I mean how many people walk out the film going, oh I can't remember any of the lines. It's just a weird complaint to me.

In any case

"If I wanted it you'd be dead already"

"The Bat is dead, bury it"

"I'll take you in without breaking you"

"You are my world"

There four very memorable lines all from Superman.

 

[DeadPresident]

"I'll kill her!" - KGBeast

"...I believe you" - Batman

The dialogue in this movie was great.

 

[RadioSha]

"I'll kill her!" - KGBeast

"...I believe you" - Batman

The dialogue in this movie was great.

You joking or not joking?

I really like that line.

 

[RadioSha]

To answer the question of this topic: it's not important to me personally. I enjoyed it, I can take that others didn't.

I see the criticism as valid and I 100% see the problems many are pointing out. I still enjoyed it though, and that's what matters to me.

This is me in a nutshell. I can't just simply ignore the multiple glaring problems of this movie. But it is enjoyable, and if this movie has legs financially moving forward, then I'd be really proud of it as a DC fan.

 

[DeadPresident]

You joking or not joking?

I really like that line.

I'm not joking. I thought the majority of this movie's dialogue was solid. I like all the conversations Bruce has with Alfred, Bruce's dialogue with Diana isn't bad, Clark and Perry's stuff at the Planet. I even like Lex's dialogue in so far as you can use it to track how unhinged he is at a given point.

He goes from confidently free throwing basketballs and being all self-assured about having to contain Superman to panicked and desperate by the end of the movie.

Of all the faults this movie did have, dialogue isn't one of them to me.

 

[Baba3231]

I myself am just as baffled by this opposite end of the spectrum, I don't mean this aggressively. The film is so overtly clunky and sloppy, so apparently eager to decimate character and personality. I suspect I'll feel less harsh after a second watch, I usually do, and let the good shine a little brighter. Right now, though, I go back to one single scene: right after [BLACKOUT]the Capitol explodes[/BLACKOUT] and they cut to Superman amid the flames -- still stone-faced, still devoid of any agency, STILL moronically resigned to his own inefficiency. Instead of scrambling in despair for survivors, or anything else, anything at all. Not even then does he unclench. Not even ****ing then. I felt beyond outrage, just grinned because it felt like a joke, something that'd be right at home in a parody.

Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune joked that "Man of Steel is looking better every second", and some fanboys were hoping for that consensus just days ago, in the event that BVS conquered the world. I'd have never thought myself capable of agreeing.

He isn't scrambling to find survivors because he obviously can't hear any heartbeats. Duh.

 

[titansupes]

I disagree.

When asked about the casualties in Africa he said "I don't care", and I won't forget.

When meeting Bruce Wayne in the future, his justification for killing him is "you took the woman i love," I won't forget.

My personal favourites were--

"He has to help me, or he has to die."
"Nobody stays good in this world, Lois."

 

[hopefuldreamer]

If we are going to use that Elseworlds excuse, same could be said of all the horrible CBMs. F4 could be based on Elsewords ideas. The problem is BvS is meant to appeal to the GA. And you can't do that if you aren't portraying the characters properly. There is an ideology a pure representation of what these characters stand for, it was not the Superman that the original creators intended.

The elseworlds 'excuse' is how I have gotten over things like Lex being a younger man, Jimmy Olsen being killed off, Jonathon Kent's god awful death, Superman killing Zod, Superman considering killing Batman, Superman lacking in certain aspects of his character.

It's not something I'd use to excuse bad quality.

F4 was a boring & badly written film. Audiences didn't dislike it because they thought the characters weren't done 'right', they just thought it was snore fest. The GA aren't the ones who care or even know whether it's an accurate portrayal of the character as they appear in the comics. That's a hang up of the fans. As long as the story is entertaining and the acting/writing isn't god awful, they will enjoy it.

And I don't think this film was bad quality at all.

It might not have been high brow like TDK or family friendly like Marvel, but the film was a serious step up in quality from MOS. The writing & the plot especially.

 

[Matt]

Spoiler

Superman didn't kill him. He even said later on that he didn't kill anyone. And why should he have seen the bomb coming?

Oh, and he seemed like he enjoyed saving people. Or are you overlooking the smile on his face when he saved the girl at the Day of the Dead celebration?

He definitely killed him. Basic logic tells us that. No one gets hit by a train going 500 mph and lives. Now I don't think it was Snyder's intent was for Superman to kill anyone. I think Simple Zack just thought it was a cool shot and ran with it. But the guy is definitely dead. As for Superman saying he didn't kill anyone, people falling back on that line are misusing it. It's pretty clear in the context of the conversation that he is talking specifically about the people who were gunned down outside.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

He definitely killed him. Basic logic tells us that. No one gets hit by a train going 500 mph and lives. Now I don't think it was Snyder's intent was for Superman to kill anyone. I think Simple Zack just thought it was a cool shot and ran with it. But the guy is definitely dead. As for Superman saying he didn't kill anyone, people falling back on that line are misusing it. It's pretty clear in the context of the conversation that he is talking specifically about the people who were gunned down outside.

This.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Spoiler

Superman didn't kill him. He even said later on that he didn't kill anyone. And why should he have seen the bomb coming?

Oh, and he seemed like he enjoyed saving people. Or are you overlooking the smile on his face when he saved the girl at the Day of the Dead celebration?

Exactly. So many of these complaints seem like they weren't paying any attention.