BvS BvS Rottentomatoes score - how important will it be, and what do you hope for? - Part 8

[DA_Champion]

I think the whole subplot with the experimental LexCorps bullets was a complete misfire. It didn't feed into the mainplot, and it subtracted from the main story.

 

[Predator jp]

I think the whole subplot with the experimental LexCorps bullets was a complete misfire. It didn't feed into the mainplot, and it subtracted from the main story.

i agree.
should've been taken out completely.

 

[Kobra]

WB/DC will make ~1 billion dollars from a bad Batman v Superman movie.

They'd be making a lot more movie from a good one.

Marvel made 1.5 billion from The Avengers (who?) and then 1.2 billion from Iron Man 3.

A good property helps in making profits, it's the most important form of marketing. And if the movie is actually good, you make even more money.

What bad Batman v Superman movies? Me and the people i went with liked it. The last bad Batman or Superman movie i saw didn't make much money at all.

 

[writer0327]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's confused.

Spoiler

That's why I'm not convinced he didnt kill that that one terrorist. He never says he didn't kill anyone, he says he didn't kill "those people", referring to the people who were gunned down.

That's actually how I saw it as well. But then it doesn't make sense because why would people think that way. Good catch...

 

[DA_Champion]

If Superman didn't kill that guy, he crippled him.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

If Superman didn't kill that guy, he crippled him.

Why? He's done that on countless other mediums including comics, animation etc... This movie showed what it would look like for Superman to move at breakneck speeds, something we've all wanted always. Why do we assume that Superman killed someone? I just don't understand.

He has shown at least twice that he can shield from explosions with his cape. He could have used his hand to break the wall open. Again, I don't understand why people default to Superman killing that guy. Doesn't add up. It looked brutal. That's the point.

 

[hafizbat]

WB/DC will make ~1 billion dollars from bad Batman v Superman movie.

They'd be making a lot more movie from a good one.

Marvel made 1.5 billion from The Avengers (who?) and then 1.2 billion from Iron Man 3.

A good property helps in making profits, it's the most important form of marketing. And if the movie is actually good, you make even more money.

A couple months ago, I was being ridiculed on this forum for saying this movie would struggle to reach 1 billion. The vast majority of the forum posters said this movie would smash that threshold. They said if Fast and the Furious could cross 1 billion, BvS would do so easily.

Right now, it's not clear that it will reach 1 billion. 500 million in week 1 followed by a 50% drop every week after that means exactly 1 billion total gross, so it might be a photo finish.

I feel ya. I was lambasted for saying a $165 OW is most likely.

To be fair, I don't hold it against anyone for expecting over a billion easy (I thought this match AOU or at LEAST IM3), or even hoping for the non-Star Wars OW record. If stuff like Jurassic World and F&F and even Alice in Wonderland could do so well, Batman V Superman w/ Wonder Woman should have been a lock to be a massive phenomenon.

However I DO hold it against people for suddenly acting like this movie is smashing the BO. It doesn't matter how well it's doing, what matters is that it's a disappointment and that it's nowhere near it's potential. That's what WB is thinking about right now. Same went for AOU, which did significantly better than BVS.

 

[sportjames23]

 

[sportjames23]

If Superman didn't kill that guy, he crippled him.

Not necessarily. In the Batman/Superman adventures movie, Superman saved Batman and Lois by ramming through a reinforced door, protecting Lois and Batman from damage by tucking them under and ramming the door head first. He probably did the same with that terrorist.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

WB/DC will make ~1 billion dollars from a bad Batman v Superman movie.

They'd be making a lot more movie from a good one.

Marvel made 1.5 billion from The Avengers (who?) and then 1.2 billion from Iron Man 3.

A good property helps in making profits, it's the most important form of marketing. And if the movie is actually good, you make even more money.

Precisely.

4 years ago The Dark Knight Rises did $448,139,099 domestic, $1,084,939,099 worldwide. This film added Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. and at best is likely to do about the same as TDKR. That's disappointing in my book. This film should have done Avengers or Jurassic World money.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[The Shape]

I'm confused about how that framing was supposed to work, too. If Superman killed those men-- the men Lex's goons gunned down, I assume-- why would they have been shot instead of Heat Vision'ed or straight-up crushed... or thrown through a wall...

What did I miss?

Here's a pretty simple explanation.

As we know from real life, it's not at all an unrealistic concept that people love "scapegoating" whenever possible -- singling out a person or party and unfairly blaming them for something that others have done or something they had no control over, often regardless of whatever facts and information might exist -- and people are often divided when it comes to placing blame for various thing.

This is especially true for real world situations and crises. Just look at the whole Benghazi scandal with many people who vehemently blame Hilary Clinton for it and all those who don't, how people blame President Obama for the creation of ISIS along with all kinds of other things/issues/events that were completely out of his control, how divided people are when placing the guilt after a cop shoots an unarmed black person these days even when there's video footage of the incident, etc. The worst part of it all is that none of us are ever present for things like that and rarely (if ever) have all of the information as to what happened or what goes on, and yet, we are still quick to judge.

In BvS, Superman was already a controversial figure in conflict with society due to the idea of his very existence in our world and also what happened in MOS. The fact that he simply involved himself in another dangerous, troubling incident which resulted in the loss of a handful of lives was enough for people to cry foul and place the blame on his shoulders, possibly even ignoring or choosing not to believe the facts that the media may have presented of the situation (that the dudes were shot before Superman even showed up). People might also say that Superman showing up is what led to those men getting spooked and shooting up the village, not knowing Superman showed up a moment before that happened.

Chances are that if there was already a portion of the world that was wary and critical of Superman, or completely against him altogether...something like this didn't make them feel any better about him.

 

[Tvar10]

So basically they tried to frame Superman killing those people by gunfire. Because in the 2 years Superman has been on Earth hes used a gun a bunch of times? If they were trying to frame him they should have broken everyone neck, or beat them to dirt. Not shoot them. Why would the most powerful being in the world resort to gunfire when he could just flick someone and they fly 100 feet??

 

[mrmajors60]

i'm pretty sure there is an implied cover up, plus it is the goverment pushing their agenda for control of superman/making superman their lackey. alot of the plot points people seem to complain about made sense with just alittle bit of thought [blackout] for example lex was cleary being influenced by darkseid/or knew about darkseid. it was implied lois either overheard/knew/figured out that since the creature came from the kyrtonian ship it would be hurt by the glowing spear that would hurt superman.[/blackout]

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

So basically they tried to frame Superman killing those people by gunfire. Because in the 2 years Superman has been on Earth hes used a gun a bunch of times? If they were trying to frame him they should have broken everyone neck, or beat them to dirt. Not shoot them. Why would the most powerful being in the world resort to gunfire when he could just flick someone and they fly 100 feet??

Ricochet?

Snyder said there's more to Africa that they had to cut at the last second that will be in the ultimate edition. Hopefully these questions are better explained with a longer scene.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

If anyone cares, Peter David's review is up.

http://www.peterdavid.net/2016/03/28/batman-vs-superman-review-with-major-spoilers/

 

[Tvar10]

I hate the fact that you have to assume things in this movie to make them make more sense...How would the general audience even know who Darkseid is? When I was in the theater and Lex had his speech about someone noticing Earth now the guy next to me looked over and told his buddies that they're talking about Thanos, then got pumped up

 

[DeadPresident]

If anyone cares, Peter David's review is up.

http://www.peterdavid.net/2016/03/28/batman-vs-superman-review-with-major-spoilers/

"I'm happily married with four children, but I'd climb into bathtub with a naked Amy Adams if given the opportunity".

You should post reviews that don't include easily quotable sentences that invalidate the reviewer as a twit when you're trying to incite reactions

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

"I'm happily married with four children, but I'd climb into bathtub with a naked Amy Adams if given the opportunity".

You should post reviews that don't include easily quotable sentences that invalidate the reviewer as a twit when you're trying to incite reactions

Yes, Peter David is a twit. A twit that wrote some of the best comics of all time.

 

[mrmajors60]

I hate the fact that you have to assume things in this movie to make them make more sense...How would the general audience even know who Darkseid is? When I was in the theater and Lex had his speech about someone noticing Earth now the guy next to me looked over and told his buddies that they're talking about Thanos, then got pumped up

well thanos is basically a rip off of darkseid. so the dude was not that wrong haha

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I hate the fact that you have to assume things in this movie to make them make more sense...How would the general audience even know who Darkseid is? When I was in the theater and Lex had his speech about someone noticing Earth now the guy next to me looked over and told his buddies that they're talking about Thanos, then got pumped up

Questions about Darkseid were intended to act like a cliffhanger to get you to come back to continue the story and find out where it leads.

 

[DeadPresident]

Yes, Peter David is a twit. A twit that wrote some of the best comics of all time.

He wrote some of the best comics of all time, therefore his critique of a movie is valid has the same internal logic as Scorsese has written some of the best movies of all time, his critique about a new music album is valid.

 

[antoineflemming]

Why? He's done that on countless other mediums including comics, animation etc... This movie showed what it would look like for Superman to move at breakneck speeds, something we've all wanted always. Why do we assume that Superman killed someone? I just don't understand.

He has shown at least twice that he can shield from explosions with his cape. He could have used his hand to break the wall open. Again, I don't understand why people default to Superman killing that guy. Doesn't add up. It looked brutal. That's the point.

Superman didn't kill anyone. He says that in the film. And they use his conversation with Martha and Swanwick's conversation with Lois to validate that he was framed. You're right.

 

[Lily Adler]

If Superman didn't kill that guy, he crippled him.

 

[antoineflemming]

If Superman didn't kill that guy, he crippled him.

No, he didn't.