The Dark Knight Caine: "Heath frightened the life out of me"

[Reek]

Either can I, I get giddy just thinking about what it will look like. Man I hate talking about it because it makes me impatient lol.

patience is a virtue my friend!!! and ive long lost it......i want some new viral marketing or something! december will come soon though....

 

[TheLongestDay]

like i said im freezing myself for 2 months...

 

[Reek]

if only.

 

[Crook]

Yea first go to IMDB, and look that 135,000 people gave an average rating of an 8.3 which is good for that site. Even though IMDB reviews can get skewed, once you get past 50,000 ratings, it begins to average out to a reasonable echo of the movie's rating. I mean at first Spider-man 3 with only 20,000 reviews was at the high 7's. And now with many more general audiances rating it it is at the 6.9 area where most would agree it lies.

There is no such thing as general audience when you're talking about internet ratings. Most people don't bother to go online and rate a movie. That's what word-of-mouth is for.

And while BB had a good run, B89 had a better one.

I can't concretley say this, but I bet TDK will be the biggest movie of 08. And make a TON of money now that many have seen BB on DVD and the word is out that Batman are good movies again.

I wouldn't complain if that'd happen, but it'd be a stretch. It can make top 5, but fact is, Batman isn't new anymore. But who knows, having Joker again might rejuvenate interest. Enough to make it the biggest movie of the year? I'll cross my fingers, but I have doubts.

I'm just saying from my eyes, BB is looking much more popular and I bet most people on this board would agree.

More popular with the fans, yes. But time will tell if it will still have the "life" B89 has. Like it or not, it's a classic, and most people that do know about Joker, do think of Jack. That's a remarkable feat, considering his interpretation is even in AFI's top 100 Villains of all Time.

Heath has his work cut out for him, that's for sure.

 

[El Payaso]

Yea first go to IMDB, and look that 135,000 people gave an average rating of an 8.3 which is good for that site. Even though IMDB reviews can get skewed, once you get past 50,000 ratings, it begins to average out to a reasonable echo of the movie's rating. I mean at first Spider-man 3 with only 20,000 reviews was at the high 7's. And now with many more general audiances rating it it is at the 6.9 area where most would agree it lies. If you just read boards you will know. And B89 is at a 7.5 with about 65,000 reviews, now I'm not saying it's bad, but clearly a lot of people feel Batman Begins is better then B89.

And that difference of 0.8 means some poeple GOT to turn this thread into a B89 vs BB thread, as if we didn't have enough of them, because they are incapable of praising something without bashing something else?

That said, IMDB people... mh...

And just a lot of people I talk to , though I cannot show facts of this, they like BB better. If you ask most people they will tend to like it more. I know this because I have Batman posters, including the Begins one and most when they come to my house point it out and say they liked that movie.

Great for them. Really. It's just that's not my point.

I know you just love to fight, and you like to provoke people and just drag these things out.

Was I the one coming here to derail a thread bashing a movie and an actor for the sake of it? Please.

Haven't I been here to defend instead of bashing or starting pointless popularity contests?

You've missed my posts supporting Ledger as the Joker and giving the new Bat-suit a 10.

That said, I believe our tastes are far more valuable than what mainstream say. Don't you agree?

Now I'm not saying B89 sucks, I just prefer Nolan's vision over Burton's.

Great man. Honest. How can anyone NOT respect that? An honest choice with no mindless bashing in it. Isn't that all I was asking for?

Now yes clearly B89 made more money then Begins did, and during that time cheaper tickets meant more ticket sales. But do remember that Begins had to follow Batman and Robin, the credibility of Batman was smashed beyond repair. But due to his magic Nolan revived it. And the DVD sales for BB were tremendous, and I bet you, I can't concretley say this, but I bet TDK will be the biggest movie of 08. And make a TON of money now that many have seen BB on DVD and the word is out that Batman are good movies again.

Both B89 and BB made great numbers and everything points to TDK doing even better. I'm of the opinion that numbers don't reflect necessarily the movie's qualoity but it feels good good Batman flicks are getting recognition.

But I bet your just gonna want to tear this post apart, and try to drag this on and on and on.

You'll see I'm only against the mindless bashing, specially the one without grounded arguments.

I'm just saying from my eyes, BB is looking much more popular and I bet most people on this board would agree.

And some others will not, etc.

 

[Mr. Socko]

For every crime and act of violence committed by Al Ghul and Scarecrow in Begins, I can name double for Jack in Batman'89

 

[Solidus]

And that difference of 0.8 means some poeple GOT to turn this thread into a B89 vs BB thread, as if we didn't have enough of them, because they are incapable of praising something without bashing something else?

That said, IMDB people... mh...



Great for them. Really. It's just that's not my point.



Was I the one coming here to derail a thread bashing a movie and an actor for the sake of it? Please.

Haven't I been here to defend instead of bashing or starting pointless popularity contests?

You've missed my posts supporting Ledger as the Joker and giving the new Bat-suit a 10.

That said, I believe our tastes are far more valuable than what mainstream say. Don't you agree?



Great man. Honest. How can anyone NOT respect that? An honest choice with no mindless bashing in it. Isn't that all I was asking for?



Both B89 and BB made great numbers and everything points to TDK doing even better. I'm of the opinion that numbers don't reflect necessarily the movie's qualoity but it feels good good Batman flicks are getting recognition.



You'll see I'm only against the mindless bashing, specially the one without grounded arguments.



And some others will not, etc.

I do appologize. I did not I guess truly understand what we were getting at, which happens a lot on Internet conversations. But I do sincerley appologize to ya.

Yes I do like Burton's Batman, I have the collection....though I use the Batman and Robin and Batman Forever DVD's as coffee coasters

But now that I see what you mean, I agree with you 100%

 

[El Payaso]

I do appologize. I did not I guess truly understand what we were getting at, which happens a lot on Internet conversations. But I do sincerley appologize to ya.

...

But now that I see what you mean, I agree with you 100%

No problem, dude.

though I use the Batman and Robin and Batman Forever DVD's as coffee coasters

*farts laughing*

 

[Mr. Socko]

I have mixed feelings about Nicholson. He was certainly fun to watch...and looked like he was having fun as well. In many ways he (and Danny Elfman, I suppose) was the best thing about the film. Yet, there was something a little off about a paunchy, 50-something year old guy portraying Batman's greatest villain.

Most of all, a great Joker has to be some sort of cross between scary and funny. Nicholson leaned more toward funny. It SOUNDS like Ledger is gonna lean toward scary. It'll be interesting to compare.

Ridiculous statement. Just because people didn't like Nicholson as Joker doesn't mean they're protecting Heath, and it doesn't mean they're wrong.

He just wasn't dark enough, scary enough, or crazy enough for me. He wasn't a bad interpretation of the Joker, and he was true to the character in a cheesy traditional way, but I just didn't really like what he did. I hated the fact that he was fat, I hated the fact that he was old, and I hated the fact that he seemed like Jack Nicholson x2 instead of the Joker. I never bought him.

Part of my dislike for the character isn't Nicholson's fault, such as him killing Batman's parents, etc. but to me, Jack Nicholson was never the definitive Joker -- I just don't like him in the part, and a lot of Batman and Joker fans agree.

I've never seen a Joker I like more than Hamil in TAS, but I'm excited because I think Heath will pass that.

WoW! Old, fat, stocky, short, pudgy...and still somehow managed to look more like the Joker than the skinny, tall, young guy.

Do me a favor sugarbumps and find me some pictures of the comics where Joker has half brown hair, black panda circles, and applies facepaint.

 

[TheBatman072]

For every crime and act of violence committed by Al Ghul and Scarecrow in Begins, I can name double for Jack in Batman'89

Yep almost killing a few hundred people in a Parade while dancing around to Prince music is a much more heinous crime then making an entire city kill ITSELF out of fear.


Yep. Much more heinous.

 

[Reek]

^^^ agreed.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Yep almost killing a few hundred people in a Parade while dancing around to Prince music is a much more heinous crime then making an entire city kill ITSELF out of fear.


Yep. Much more heinous.

Comprehend, can you not? Repeat myself, should I?

For every act of violence committed by Al Ghul and Scarecrow in Begins, Joker did double in B'89. Hell, for every person Al Ghul and Scarecrow killed in Batman Begins, Joker killed double the amount in Batman'89.

 

[StorminNorman]

Yep almost killing a few hundred people in a Parade while dancing around to Prince music is a much more heinous crime then making an entire city kill ITSELF out of fear.


Yep. Much more heinous.

The Joker successfully introduced poison into almost every home in Gotham, forcing them to give up their way of life to prevent from dying.

I would rank to the two fairly equally quite honesty.

Then you throw in - the parade float attack, forcing a girl to commit suicide, public execution, private electrocution, so on and so forth.

 

[The Joker]

Yep almost killing a few hundred people in a Parade while dancing around to Prince music is a much more heinous crime then making an entire city kill ITSELF out of fear.

Oh, I know. The Joker acting in a theatrical manner while murdering innocent people.

What was Burton thinking?

 

[TheBatman072]

The Joker successfully introduced poison into almost every home in Gotham, forcing them to give up their way of life to prevent from dying.

I would rank to the two fairly equally quite honesty.

Then you throw in - the parade float attack, forcing a girl to commit suicide, public execution, private electrocution, so on and so forth.

Oh yeah. The make-up thing. That's equal to the Gotham Water poisoning.

 

[TheBatman072]

I would say unleashing an entire asylum full of murderers, rapists and just general pyschos on the poor section of a city is a little more sadistic then giving away money to two or three blocks of people and then killing them.

Not to mention the "making an entire city destroy itself out of fear" thing.


I guess you could say Joker's tactics were more hands-on and Scarecrow's and Al Ghul's tactics were more subtle and behind the scenes.

 

[StorminNorman]

Oh yeah. The make-up thing. That's equal to the Gotham Water poisoning.

No - the Gotham Water poisoning was apart of the same plan you mentioned.

The Joker tried various methods of eliminating Gotham.

 

[TheBatman072]

No - the Gotham Water poisoning was apart of the same plan you mentioned.

The Joker tried various methods of eliminating Gotham.

I don't remember him trying to poison the water in the movie.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I would say unleashing an entire asylum full of murderers, rapists and just general pyschos on the poor section of a city is a little more sadistic then giving away money to two or three blocks of people and then killing them.

Not to mention the "making an entire city destroy itself out of fear" thing.


I guess you could say Joker's tactics were more hands-on and Scarecrow's and Al Ghul's tactics were more subtle and behind the scenes.

Yup, Joker still managed to kill more people than Al Ghul and Scarecrow combined. And the best part was that he visually looked like the character while doing it!

 

[The Joker]

I don't remember him trying to poison the water in the movie.

I think he means Scarecrow and Ra's tampering with the water.

 

[TheBatman072]

Yup, Joker still managed to kill more people than Al Ghul and Scarecrow combined. And the best part was that he visually looked like the character while doing it!

Can you prove this at all?

 

[The Joker]

Can you prove this at all?

Considering we saw more people die by the Joker's hand throughout the movie, than the fiasco at the Narrows which was people mainly juiced up on fear gas, that's proof enough.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Can you prove this at all?

For the latter, just look at the picture I posted on this page.

 

[TheBatman072]

No - the Gotham Water poisoning was apart of the same plan you mentioned.

The Joker tried various methods of eliminating Gotham.

Ah, now I get it.



Well, Joker trying several different methods just means that none of them worked.

Whereas Crane and Al Ghul only needed one plan. And, for the most part, it worked. A major chunk of Gotham was lost to Fear. The poor section, where most of the criminals resided anyway.


So, again, Al Ghul and Crane killed a lot more people. Through a sort of ripple effect.

 

[Reek]

i think the whole 'who killed more' argument is going to far....

face it guys, the new joker is going to be percieved as more lethal then nicholsons joker. which is good and bad depending on your perspective.

i personally didnt like Nicholsons joker, and am HOPING for a better one with ledger.

sorry it just seems this debate is going to far, now its nicholsons joker vs scarecrow....

lets move back to the real topic... apparently this Joker is more frightening and utterly disturbing then nicholsons more so funny approach...i mean honestly, my cousin isnt a big movie buff like i am, and i brought up the new Joker to him, cause naturally anyone who liked batman in 89 is somewhat interested...and he even stated that he loved nicholson as joker because it was so damn funny. maybe its because of what jack is today that makes it funny/fun to see him backthen???