Can anything be done with the Fantastic Four franchise at this point?

[cerealkiller182]

I disagree. McMahon is a good actor but the version they gave him, which fit him, is a bad Doom.

They need to replace him and rewrite the character into being a threat like he's supposed to be.

McMahon still did awful in the movie. I never said anything about him in other movies.

The FF franchise as it is is a lost cause. The property isn't.

We're talking about the current series so thats basically what I said. I dont think I have to be so specific

 

[Iron_Stark]

I'm surprised noone has mentioned this, but they need a new director.

Story was just not right for the job.

Keep, Chiklis, Evans and Gruffud

Dump, Story, Alba, McMahon and Fox Studios.

 

[Abstract]

I'm surprised noone has mentioned this, but they need a new director.

Story was just not right for the job.

Can't believe that hadn't been mentioned until now. Story was wrong from the get go. I appreciate what they were trying to do but it plain didnt work at all.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Little off topic but I need an answer to this...

What do you guys think is more likely? TIH2 or FF3? I think none of them will happen... but that is an interesting question for sure... I mean those are some staple Marvel characters as everyone knows. To think that they are going to fold after two films... with one of those franchises needing a reboot after film one... it's mind blowing considering Spidey is likely to get five films or more at this point. I mean I guess we'll see Hulk in Avengers... but that might be it... for quite some time...

 

[The Geek Vault]

a reboot

 

[The Major]

McMahon still did awful in the movie. I never said anything about him in other movies.



We're talking about the current series so thats basically what I said. I dont think I have to be so specific

Okay.

 

[The Major]

Little off topic but I need an answer to this...

What do you guys think is more likely? TIH2 or FF3? I think none of them will happen... but that is an interesting question for sure... I mean those are some staple Marvel characters as everyone knows.

Hard to say.

It really depends on how Fox views the FF and how much they want to keep the rights.

To think that they are going to fold after two films... with one of those franchises needing a reboot after film one... it's mind blowing considering Spidey is likely to get five films or more at this point.

To me it isn't.

Sony actually understands and respects Spider-man while Fox doesn't with FF.

Even Spider-man 3 was incredible IMO.

I mean I guess we'll see Hulk in Avengers... but that might be it... for quite some time...

Agreed.

 

[The Major]

I think Marvel only rebooted the Hulk with the Avenger movie in mind... you can't just start shoving FF characters into future Marvel ensemble films like Avengers sequels or what not because none of them were ever really staple Avenger characters... if you want to do cross overs in other Marvel films then you need to retain the same actors for it to mean anything... but the actors would be passed their primes by 2012/2013 (or whenever the rights revert back to Marvel)... for those reasons I don't see a reboot/recasted sequel in the near future. FF3 with a new director and several key changes may not be a terrible idea... as I have been saying before.

Marvel doesn't need to link FF to Avengers. That's just a long term project for their first wave of movies.

The next wave could have various other franchises which don't have an endgame with a team-up.

Nor do they need to interact with the Avengers to work.

Dr. Strange is supposed to be one of the second wave films but I doubt he'll directly interact with the Avengers franchises. FF could do the same.

Actors can be replaced, too.

 

[bubbadoom]

I think a decent FF movie CAN be made from the mess Fox has left us with, but that remains to be seen. Please give Doom a rest and move on to the Frightful Four, Mad Thinker, Mole Man, etc.

With Fox taking a second look at ALL their Marvel properties, I would not be surprised if we hear some news about another FF movie next year!

 

[blackblt]

As has been stated, Story is not the guy. The stories and the film itself just lay there. There's so much coolness and action that could take place with the FF, it was just never capitalized on. Even Doom was just not very appealing. I had high hopes with Silver Surfer, but that got screwed up too.
Maybe a severe retooling with new director and an action packed story line... with...Moleman maybe could do the trick but I'm not sure.

 

[The Major]

Maybe a severe retooling with new director and an action packed story line... with...Moleman maybe could do the trick but I'm not sure.

Not Moleman. They need real threats IMO.

The Super-Skrull, Frightful Four (revamped into being relevant), Annihilius would be better adversaries.

 

[Iron_Stark]

How sad, Dr Doom was suppossed to be Marvel's Darth Vader, he was suppossed to be mentioned alongside the great villains in cinema history and what did we get?

A jealous business man that spews stupid one-liners with an effeminate voice. "Marco...Polo"

 

[FaT_tONle]

Hard to say.

It really depends on how Fox views the FF and how much they want to keep the rights.

Yeah but Fox's deal only included three films I believe... so why would they bother with a third film that doesn't give them another five year window to make more? I could be wrong... but right now the profit isn't there for Fox... so I don't see them continuing...

To me it isn't.

Sony actually understands and respects Spider-man while Fox doesn't with FF.

Even Spider-man 3 was incredible IMO.

Sony ****ted all over Spiderman with SM3... that's not the reason. The only reason is money... obviously. But it's not like SM was that great a film anyhow. Just came at the right time... Hulk/FF were just God awful. You get off to terrible starts like that and there is no room to recover.

 

[The Major]

Yeah but Fox's deal only included three films I believe... so why would they bother with a third film that doesn't give them another five year window to make more?

I don't know the specifics on the contracts but I thought Fox needed to make a franchise movie within X amount of years or they lose the rights.

I could be wrong... but right now the profit isn't there for Fox... so I don't see them continuing...

Which would be great.

Sony ****ted all over Spiderman with SM3... that's not the reason.

Sony did make some mistakes with the movie but it wasn't awful IMO.

The only reason is money... obviously. But it's not like SM was that great a film anyhow.

I disagree.

Of course the reason they made it was for money, only unlike Fox they knew how to make Spider-man reach its potential.

Just came at the right time... Hulk/FF were just God awful. You get off to terrible starts like that and there is no room to recover.

Hulk wasn't that bad, just not what the everyone expected.

FF was terrible, though.

I disagree that neither can recover.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Sony did make some mistakes with the movie but it wasn't awful IMO.

I disagree. SM 3 was one of the worst films of the genre IMO and probably the most disappointing. Just as bad as X-3.

Of course the reason they made it was for money, only unlike Fox they knew how to make Spider-man reach its potential.

Spiderman only reached his peak box office potential... not quality potential. That's all these studios care about.

Hulk wasn't that bad, just not what the everyone expected.

FF was terrible, though.

I disagree that neither can recover.

Hulk hasn't recovered yet... FF will likely need yet another semi-reboot. We won't be getting solo films for quite some time... which is why I brought up FF3/TIH2... because I think both those films will never happen... which likely means more reboots or recasted sequels.

 

[The Major]

I disagree. SM 3 was one of the worst films of the genre IMO and probably the most disappointing. Just as bad as X-3.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Spiderman only reached his peak box office potential... not quality potential.

I thought Sony did a good job getting the quality potential.

That's all these studios care about.

I know.

Hulk hasn't recovered yet... FF will likely need yet another semi-reboot. We won't be getting solo films for quite some time... which is why I brought up FF3/TIH2... because I think both those films will never happen... which likely means more reboots or recasted sequels.

Hulk made the same amount as the first film IIRC.

Not sure exactly whether Marvel considers it a success or not. At first they thought it was then it seems they backtracked.

Both franchises getting reboots don't bother me that much, though I would have liked to see what they did with The Leader.

 

[bubbadoom]

I think the main purpose of TIH was to take another step towards the Avengers movie, so it that regards the film worked. I think we will see another Hulk movie down the road, after THE AVENGERS.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If the main reason to continue these franchises is to give audiences a villain they have not seen before... case in point with The Leader/TIH2... and even the Lizard/SM4... then please... stop these franchises at once. Unless they have a good story to tell I don't want to see these films. They have a lot of options for villains in another FF movie although a good story would have to be an overriding factor to green light that film. But I am tired of these 150-200 million plus type budget films that barely produce a competent film. That's what TIH was... a 150 million competent film. You expect more than that. The FF movies and SM3 weren't even that... those were flat out jokes.

 

[bubbadoom]

I wish an FF movie had a $150-200 million budget, then we might get something on the cosmic scale that we deserve!

I still say Fox will do their third one, we will probably hear something about it in 2009!

 

[marcvader]

Fantastic Four should be one of the most "fantastical" properties Marvel puts out on film.

 

[FaT_tONle]

People forget that Fox has been talking about more X-Men spinoffs... a possible X-Men prequel... and even a Deadpool movie. When you can invest maybe 80 million on an X-Men: First Class... and 40 million on a Deadpool movie... why invest 120 million on another FF sequel? That's why I don't see Fox continuing this thing... and can someone else confirm that three movie max deal that Fox has with Marvel on Fantastic Four movies? I don't know what their X-Men deal is.... I find it hard to believe Fox retains the rights to X-Men no matter what as long as they make at least one film featuring mutants/X-Men characters every five years... because that is a ripoff for Marvel. But I know for a fact that there is a three movie cap for Fox on Fantastic Four... not 100% sure though.

 

[Anubis]

I say wait until Marvel can regain the rights and startover.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I'd love to see what David Cronenberg would do with FF. That's weird, I know.

But I want to see it

 

[Rich Santoro]

I would like to see Marvel get FF back, and move on to the next story... I would not want to see the origin film redone (granted, it needed to be better, but I think the best move is to move forward with a better film).

Recast, put Doom on the back-burner for later rebooting of the character, get a great story about the Skrull or Molecule Man... reboot the tone of the film and the characters (no more stretchy dance... more serious attitudes for Reed and Sue, and turn to more Star Trek'ish pseudo-sci-fi-science for plots and tech devices that Reed concocts... technology was nowhere near prevalent enough for one of Marvel's biggest brains).

 

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

Although I would love to see another live action Fantastic Four movie maybe it is time that the Fantastic Four goes the cgi cartoon route. If done right it could be just as successful as all the big Pixar movies. People would probably refer to it as The Incredibles 2 but it would probably be the best way to keep the franchise alive at this point.