First Avenger Captain America's Costume - Part 3/41

[Brian Braddock]

Seriously, is this debate going to keep going right up until the release of the movie?

>pokes head into thread to see if it's moved on in any way since the last time I was here<

>looks around<

>leaves<

 

[Vartha]

>pokes head into thread to see if it's moved on in any way since the last time I was here<

>looks around<

>leaves<

heh hay wait! don't leave me in here!

 

[Duker Jay]

He doesn't go "into combat" like many here are alluding to. He's not involved in any of the battles the WWII is known for. The entire plot is centered around the rescue of the Howling Commandos, Bucky, and stopping the fictitious faction known as Hyrda who are headed by a man with a skull for a head and sports a portal inducing cosmic cube. Ya, Cap's costume being more faithful is gonna upset the realism balance. Oooooooooooook.

Rock, I think you've set up your own strawman. I didn't say anything about the costume being realistic or trying to be realistic. I said I thought it evolved as a function of the story.

Also, you don't know exactly what battles Cap will be a part of so you can't say he won't be a part of any actual events. Either way, "combat" doesn't have anything to do with whether something is an actual historical battle or a fight against a group of fictitious robots...it's combat.

But you'll probably turn this around to make it seem like I'm after realism and blindly love the costume accordingly.

 

[Mercurius]

Either way, "combat" doesn't have anything to do with whether something is an actual historical battle or a fight against a group of fictitious robots...it's combat.

If combat is combat, the WWII setting is as good as anything else for the iconic costume.

 

[DACrowe]

The mere fact that you used that picture tells me you're using the straw man argument again. I won't even bother to read all of what you wrote. I knew once you posted that you missed the entire conversation.

The material (rubber) may look bad, but that is what you want. A form fitting, comic book accurate, bright superhero costume. And that combine with the other two pictures illustrates my point entirely. But just ignore it, easier to do that than consider another viewpoint.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think the Hype has too many Magnetos and not enough Xaviers.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The material (rubber) may look bad, but that is what you want. A form fitting, comic book accurate, bright superhero costume. And that combine with the other two pictures illustrates my point entirely. But just ignore it, easier to do that than consider another viewpoint.

The irony is we got "bright", which is completely ironic given that JJ wanted the suit to look more of the time period. You'd think the blue would've been muted or darker.

...... but the rubber you're alluding to from that picture is absolutely nothing like myself and a few others want.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think the Hype has too many Magnetos and not enough Xaviers.

You've just read my mind. t:

 

[Rock Sexton]

I think the Hype has too many Magnetos and not enough Xaviers.

 

[Brian Braddock]

heh hay wait! don't leave me in here!

The Thor threads have a better vibe at the moment, V - I'll see you in there.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Haha nice manip Rock.

And for the record, I think there are plenty of Mag's on both side of the debate.

 

[Vartha]

The Thor threads have a better vibe at the moment, V - I'll see you in there.

hehe INDEED!

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Seriously, is this debate going to keep going right up until the release of the movie?

It's more like 2 guys constantly saying the same things constantly about the costume only to be proven wrong each time by everyone else.

I take a few days off and Mercurius and Rock are down to their Kung Fu treachery again!

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The Thor threads have a better vibe at the moment, V - I'll see you in there.

Wait for me!

 

[Mercurius]

It's more like 2 guys constantly saying the same things constantly about the costume only to be proven wrong each time by everyone else.

I take a few days off and Mercurius and Rock are down to their Kung Fu treachery again!

Nothing compared to the always jumpy treachery of Meestair Parking Lane.

 

[Mercurius]

The Thor threads have a better vibe at the moment, V - I'll see you in there.

No wonder: that movie looks like something really good.

 

[C. Lee]

The biggest problem I have right now is....I have been a giant Captain America fan for over 40 years....but I can only force myself to come into the Cap forums as part of being a moderator.....there is no fun or niceness or respect in here.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It's more like 2 guys constantly saying the same things constantly about the costume only to be proven wrong each time by everyone else.

I take a few days off and Mercurius and Rock are down to their Kung Fu treachery again!

Proven wrong? When? We've given you countless number of examples of elements IN THE FILM that directly contradict the necessity of a WWII-esque costume. The only responses we're getting is anecdotal comments about the GA and what they will perceive or think ..... as if a more faithful rendition of the costume would leave the "suspension of disbelief" hanging in the balance.

I'm more GA than the majority of you guys. My knowledge of these characters like Cap, Thor, IM, etc. etc. is very rudimentary. I know them from how they looked in my childhood, cartoons, and a few other very basic elements. I don't own any of the comic books and never have. I use the net to piece together things that I don't know, which many GA members will do come time for this films release. I'm just not buying this idea that the GA's collective mindset is going to go numb from Cap sporting what we're asking for.

 

[BizarroAids]

It's more like 2 guys constantly saying the same things constantly about the costume only to be proven wrong each time by everyone else.

I take a few days off and Mercurius and Rock are down to their Kung Fu treachery again!

For some reason, people have a hard time believing that his costume has made minor changes over the years; Ultimate, 616. But the movie-verse can't have it's own blend of both. And I agree, if he's in the war, something more like the Kirby costume, would look like a disrespect to the soldiers he's fighting next to.

 

[lixdexia]

i think it could have been done more faithfully and still looked good on the battlefield, but it wasn't. i like the costume fairly well now, and even if i didn't, the movie is in the can. they're not going to go back and re-shoot the entire movie wither or not i like the costume so it is what it is.

 

[Duker Jay]

If combat is combat, the WWII setting is as good as anything else for the iconic costume.

But what's the narrative evolution of putting him in a straight-from-the-comic look? Do you have him wear it "just because"?

I'm not saying JJ's adaptation is the only way to make it work but the rationale behind his costume has to come from somewhere...

 

[Brian Braddock]

The biggest problem I have right now is....I have been a giant Captain America fan for over 40 years....but I can only force myself to come into the Cap forums as part of being a moderator.....there is no fun or niceness or respect in here.

Beleive me, I hear you C.Lee.

Boy, do I hear you.

 

[BizarroAids]

But what's the narrative evolution of putting him in a straight-from-the-comic look? Do you have him wear it "just because"?

I'm not saying JJ's adaptation is the only way to make it work but the rationale behind his costume has to come from somewhere...

And the USO plot has him wearing the Kirby style costume. And I'm willing to bet the way they approach that scene is; 1: It's a little something for the fans, and will most likely get cheered. 2: they use that suit to give the scene some comic relief, so by the time he puts on his actual costume, people won't think it's so silly in comparison.

Also, isn't that one of the reasons he puts on the leather jacket during a mission? To not come off as a joke?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Proven wrong? When? We've given you countless number of examples of elements IN THE FILM that directly contradict the necessity of a WWII-esque costume. The only responses we're getting is anecdotal comments about the GA and what they will perceive or think ..... as if a more faithful rendition of the costume would leave the "suspension of disbelief" hanging in the balance.

I'm more GA than the majority of you guys. My knowledge of these characters like Cap, Thor, IM, etc. etc. is very rudimentary. I know them from how they looked in my childhood, cartoons, and a few other very basic elements. I don't own any of the comic books and never have. I use the net to piece together things that I don't know, which many GA members will do come time for this films release. I'm just not buying this idea that the GA's collective mindset is going to go numb from Cap sporting what we're asking for.

Lets' be honest. None of us are GA. You can argue as much as much as you want that you're GA but the fact is you're still on a superhero website debating about costume.

I'm not GA, or comic book, I'm a movie guy. All I keep hearing you say is that it's a comic book superhero movie. There's no specific definition of what a comic book movie has to be. It doesn't have to be 100% faithful in order to be great, but from what I'm hearing about this film, this film will still be pretty faithful.

So when were you proven wrong? When you keep mentioning that's it's a comic book film and countless others and me before told you that some level authenticity is important. You want complete fantasy, but the feel is important too. He looks out of place within the context of the film. As I keep saying, there's always been a difference between comic books and films.

Not all the visual elements of a comic book will look good on film. It will turn off the GA. High level of ridiculousness is accepted at times, but it takes away from the overall message of the stories though. There's always a line that directors set for how far they want to push suspension of disblief and Captain America is actually a great example.

The comic costume is pushing it because even with the red skull, cosmic cube among everything, he'll stand out in the wrong way compared to all the other characters. Even Red Skull looks military like. You can't have him wearing the comic suit because he even within the movie it looks pretty bad that he doesn't look like a soldier.

EDIT: When you establish a world you don't want to break your own suspension of disbelief. Captain America's look much be on par with Red Skull.

 

[marcvader]

No, he's AWOL.