Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

[flickchick85]

Excellent post. Didn't requote again to take up the whole thread but couldn't agree more with everything here.

Love those scans. t:

Thanks

As for her headgear, I personally don't care for the helmet/mohawk, and I think it would look horrible in live-action, but I like the look of the facemask...if only for her to use in flight/spaceflight or something. If they can come up with a sort of compromise similar to the way Dexter Soy portrays it (but with even more of her hair exposed, completely nixing the mohawk aspect), I feel like it could work.

But if it doesn't, I'm fine with her going completely maskless. I mean, there are no secret identities in the MCU, so the only purpose the mask would even serve for her is if there's like a transparent covering over the mouth for breathing in space or something. Otherwise, yeah, it's definitely not necessary.

 

[Mister J]

Knowing how much these films, in general, love getting face time for the leads, I can't see them giving Carol a mask. I'm fine with that.

Please, no mohawk.

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah I admit I don't love the Mohawk

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Knowing how much these films, in general, love getting face time for the leads, I can't see them giving Carol a mask. I'm fine with that.

Please, no mohawk.

This. I'd be very surprised if she has a mask, at least for more than a couple of scenes. She works just fine without one, and films are always trying to get their masked heroes out of them as often as possible. Ex. Compare the number of scenes where Star-Lord wears his mask versus the ones he doesn't.

 

[Doc Ock]

I don't mind a mask, but no mohawk please? Carol looks much better without it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't think most fans care, but movie executives sure do. Marvel, WB, Fox, Sony, they all try to get their heroes out of the masks as often as possible.

 

[Iceman]

I don't want that mohawk lol. I also don't really want a standard mask as it would seem a bit pointless here. But I would like breathing apparatus space shades or something, whatever looks cool.

 

[Panthro]

Just say no to the mohawk.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"nohawk"

 

[Iceman]

Falcon!

 

[haephestus]

Re: Helmet

I'm not a huge fan of the helmet since it's not required. The directors/script-writers/producers of every super-hero movie go out of their way to get their stars out from behind their mask, so I don't see a need to introduce a helmet when it isn't necessary.

Carol Danvers doesn't have a secret identity. And since she's super-durable, she doesn't really need a helmet for protection. IF she heads into outer space and IF she can't breathe (or hold her breath) while in outer space, then a helmet would be fine during those scenes only.

Re: Mohawk

I wouldn't mind if Carol had a distinctive hairstyle. Crassida in the latest Hunger Games looks pretty awesome. But, if Carol starts out as a airforce captain, then I don't see her having anything too out of the ordinary. I'm not sure if there are still official rules for hairstyles in the armed forces, but I'm guessing there would be. And that a mohawk or fauxhawk probably violates those rules.

 

[0siris]

If Rhodes isn't killed of in Age of Ultron, Captain Marvel movie may be a chance to cross fertilize and bring Iron Patriot/War Machine as a supporting character, using the Air Force connection and implying a former or current or future relationship, even if its just former mentor helping her out in her new powers. It may help bolster attendance for Captain Marvel with quasi-Iron Man in place, and help increase Rhodes' stature in the MCU. I'd like to see more of the "supporting cast member from one franchise appearing in another," ala Gary Shandling in CWS. Put Justin Hammer as extended cameo in Ant-Man, Selvig in Black Panther researching Vibranium, ect.

 

[0siris]

One of the visually coolest Avengers that I wouldn't mind seeing in a movie and she should be turned into a non superpowered best friend/side kick?? No.

Yeah, it would only work that way if there was a plan for her to no longer be a non-superpowered character. Making her just Carol's best friend is more frustrating than interesting.

Monica Rambeau is one of my favorite underused characters, someone with a unique skillset and awesome visual. I still remember that 80s Avengers cover from my dad's collection, it's painted and she's flying in space with the profiles of other Avengers surrounding her. The problem is she has no narrative, no story that's compelling. Her origin is pitiful. It shouldn't be hard for the people at Marvel Comics to rewrite and reinvest in Monica, come up with a new origin story for her with a beginning, middle, and end.

 

[cph9fa]

So, last night's Agents of SHIELD tickled a lot of the same spots that I'd have expected in the first act of a Captain Marvel movie: we have an ancient, hidden Kree outpost with a Sentry (of sorts) guarding it, as well as an agent of transforming humanity. I know it's likely that they're going for the Inhuman angle, but it makes me wonder how different Captain Marvel might be. What if Carol is also an Inhuman, and is transformed by the Obelisk/Temple? What if the temple and Obelisk are the Psyche-Magnitron?

I know it's not a new idea, but watching it play out, it seems like an increasingly likely scenario. There's a lot of possibilities...

 

[Art Freak]

I'm inclined to agree. While not everything has been a book-literal adaptation there is a beauty and an efficiency to streamlining these occurrences under a bigger umbrellas of Inhumans in order to get everything from Point A to Point B. Wanda and Pietr, Carol, Skye, bring it all on!

 

[fixxxer]

While Agents Of SHIELD takes its cues from the movies, I doubt the reverse will ever happen*. Every single one of Feige's comments thus far have indicated that Marvel Studios has little involvement with the television side of things. Since everything occurs in the same glorious universe, the Marvel TV folks basically have one mandate: Don't contradict anything that the films have put out and/or will put out.

Therefore, the Captain Marvel film expanding on the lore established by Agents Of SHIELD is highly unlikely.

* The one exception could be when Director Coulson and his (nu)SHIELD get reintroduced into the films. I'm desperately hoping it happens in Civil War... but realistically, we might have to wait quite a bit longer.

 

[flickchick85]

While Agents Of SHIELD takes its cues from the movies, I doubt the reverse will ever happen*. Every single one of Feige's comments thus far have indicated that Marvel Studios has little involvement with the television side of things. Since everything occurs in the same glorious universe, the Marvel TV folks basically have one mandate: Don't contradict anything that the films have put out and/or will put out.

Therefore, the Captain Marvel film expanding on the lore established by Agents Of SHIELD is highly unlikely.

* The one exception could be when Director Coulson and his (nu)SHIELD get reintroduced into the films. I'm desperately hoping it happens in Civil War... but realistically, we might have to wait quite a bit longer.

Agreed. The movies inform the TV-verse, not the other way around.

Loooong before this movie was announced and before AoS even premiered, I used to envision my dream scenario in which Carol and Mar-Vell were introduced in the television series, giving us ample time to get to know them and grow attached to their relationship. Then they'd graduate to the movies when "the incident" happens and Carol gets powers. However, seeing the reality of the TV show vs. the movies, that scenario just wouldn't work as well as I thought it would. AoS also doesn't get enough viewers to justify including anything major there that would be vital to the appreciation of the movies, because a huge portion of the movie-going audience would not have seen it.

It's getting to be pretty clear at this point that Feige & Co. aren't sitting in a room with the AoS crew making plans for the big picture. Feige & Co. make the plans, and then the AoS crew subsequently make their own plans to go along. Like fixxxer said, I could see the SHIELD team from the show making various small-time/cameo appearances in the films from time to time, but they - and anything that's introduced on the show - will never be a major part of the movie-verse, imo.

 

[Art Freak]

I don't think either of us were saying that Carol would be introduced on "Agents". That is of course silly. I'm saying that introducing the overall idea of gifteds/miracles/mutants as Inhumans solves a lot of problems in the future.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't think either of us were saying that Carol would be introduced on "Agents". That is of course silly. I'm saying that introducing the overall idea of gifteds/miracles/mutants as Inhumans solves a lot of problems in the future.

Ah, I see. Well then I guess I agree with you there. But I do think if that turns out to be the case, Age of Ultron is where they'll formally introduce that idea. And I also think if they do go that route, it will only be for characters that would otherwise be classified as "mutants," which they can't use.

But Carol's not a mutant, and I don't think they need to make her an Inhuman to adapt her to the MCU. We've seen the Kree, and a lot of their tech, already. I don't think it's such a leap to think they might return to Earth sometime soon in the MCU, device in tow and all. Probably wouldn't happen 'til Infinity War Part 1, but that would make Carol's traditional origin, or something very close to it, pretty easy to do, considering that's the movie that directly precedes Captain Marvel.

 

[Art Freak]

Totally agree. It will "debut" in Ultron. As long as we don't have to hear the terms "gifteds" or "miracles" anymore. And yes, I would really like Carol's origin to remain true. Seems doable in the MCU.

 

[Iceman]

Ah, I see. Well then I guess I agree with you there. But I do think if that turns out to be the case, Age of Ultron is where they'll formally introduce that idea. And I also think if they do go that route, it will only be for characters that would otherwise be classified as "mutants," which they can't use.

But Carol's not a mutant, and I don't think they need to make her an Inhuman to adapt her to the MCU. We've seen the Kree, and a lot of their tech, already. I don't think it's such a leap to think they might return to Earth sometime soon in the MCU, device in tow and all. Probably wouldn't happen 'til Infinity War Part 1, but that would make Carol's traditional origin, or something very close to it, pretty easy to do, considering that's the movie that directly precedes Captain Marvel.

Carol as either mutant or Inhuman would be a mistake to me, especially with an Inhumans film coming out just months after. I think both are going to be great but Carol as an Inhuman would diminish the uniqueness of both films a little. And like you say, by the time the film comes around, going Kree shouldn't be a huge deal.

And congrats on the modhood A good choice. I trust it was due to that post on the last page. That's what I like to see, instant recognition. t:

 

[flickchick85]

And congrats on the modhood A good choice. I trust it was due to that post on the last page. That's what I like to see, instant recognition. t:

Thanks, modhood feels great so far! And yeah, I'm sure that post was it.

 

[Suzanne78]

Thanks, modhood feels great so far! And yeah, I'm sure that post was it.

OMG YOU'RE A MOD?!

Congrats!!

 

[flickchick85]

OMG YOU'RE A MOD?!

Congrats!!

Thank you!

 

[smashmode]

no mask, no mohawk please.