Captain Marvel General Discussion and Speculation - Part 1

[Marathon]

One of the visually coolest Avengers that I wouldn't mind seeing in a movie and she should be turned into a non superpowered best friend/side kick?? No.

I don't mean Monica as non-powered for all eternity in the MCU; I just want Monica to get a foot in, be buds with Carol and at some point gain her (Spectrum) powers. The MCU path can develop organically for her, whether thru a series or movies, etc.

 

[flickchick85]

That doesn't mean he doesn't like Carol, persay; he just finds her powers redundant.

I wouldn't say "redundant" so much as "too much." What I got from that infamous Joss quote about Carol is that he essentially finds her to be too powerful. "The easier life is for them, the harder life is for you (the writer)." He prefers his heroes with more weaknesses, I guess, which as I've mentioned explains why he seemed to have less fun with Thor than anyone else in Avengers. And even if you look back on his previous work, see how he handled other beings with god-like powers in Buffy/Angel, and everytime, he ended up adding some sort of limitation to their powers from being "trapped" in this mortal realm or whatever. It's pretty much a pattern with him that he doesn't like to write characters that are too powerful.

And yeah, I would LOVE the idea of a Joss Whedon Captain Marvel movie if it weren't for that quote. Oh hell, who am I kidding, if he were announced as the writer/director of Captain Marvel I would still rejoice. I'd just assume he recently read Kelly Sue's run and got some ideas for how to handle such a character without skimping on weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

 

[Hypestyle]

what will be her range of powers for the movie?

In the comics she can:

fly- including in space
energy blasts
super-strength (30 tons?)
"Seventh sense"-- never understood this--why do they even call it that, it should be 6th sense

 

[LEOZZTT]

Because it's not a sixth sense. It's the next level. Her seventh sense is a limited precognitive ability that was meant to be a lesser version of Captain Marvel's cosmic awareness.

 

[Silvermoth]

I'm hoping they just focus on flight and energy blasts. If she has all of the above it could be too much and, like Thor, she might have to be reduced a little powers wise.

I also hope they show how clever she is, particularly with engineering and fixing things

 

[KangConquers]

I think he *may* have meant "defined" as in restricted or limited?

Quicksilver has a pretty defined and "limited" power - he can run really fast. Sure, you can expand upon that to include additional powers, but that's his power in a nutshell. In any circumstances where he can't use those powers, then he's limited and if Ultron or Vision can also move fast, then he can be easily challenged.

With Scarlet-Witch, I have to presume that in his head, the movie version of Wanda has a defined and somewhat "limited" power set. Maybe she needs to be emotionally stable, calm and rational in order to exercise her powers in any sort of controlled manner? Maybe she needs to do the bizarre "calculating probabilities" thing? Basically, I'm guessing there is some kind of in-built "out" for Whedon to use to explain why Wanda just doesn't solve everything with a wave of her hands.

But, with someone like Captain Marvel, she's pretty much the ultimate hero, so trying to figure out challenges or even threats for her is more difficult. I'm not sure of the comic book stats, but she's basically superior to Thor since she can do anything he can, PLUS she has energy absorption and projection abilities as well. The energy projection abilities also match one of Iron Man's main abilities. She has strength that excels Captain America. And I'd imagine she could probably challenge the Hulk, even if the Hulk is stronger in terms of brute strength. So, Whedon may have simply meant that writing for a character like Captain Marvel is that much harder because it's difficult to come up with credible challenges and threats. How do you contain such a powerhouse without making them look stupid or ineffective?

Anyway, whatever Whedon meant, we're getting a Captain Marvel solo movie and more than likely a number of appearances by Captain Marvel in various other films as well!

Thor has far more powers than Carol, and way higher base stats. Thor has busted planets, drained the souls of gods, tussled with cosmic beings, survived shots from celestials, time traveled, matter manipulated Absorbing Man into a puddle etc.

A blood-lusted Comic Book Thor would be able to one-shot Carol, like he's one-shotted the Abomination. Thor is no joke.

 

[Art Freak]

Preach!

 

[Panthro]

I'm hoping they just focus on flight and energy blasts. If she has all of the above it could be too much and, like Thor, she might have to be reduced a little powers wise.

I also hope they show how clever she is, particularly with engineering and fixing things

Nah, they shouldn't restrict her from feats of super strength & stamina just because Whedon or someone else has an issue with multiple flying brick characters. Short changing her powers like that wouldn't be fair to the character.

They should showcase her cleverness though, that I agree with.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm hoping they just focus on flight and energy blasts. If she has all of the above it could be too much and, like Thor, she might have to be reduced a little powers wise.

I also hope they show how clever she is, particularly with engineering and fixing things

I disagree with just focusing on flight and energy blasts. She'd better have super-strength/durability or I will riot. We finally get a female powerhouse and they take away her strength? No thank you.

I agree that they could and probably will reduce her powers like they've done with Thor, but that doesn't mean taking any of them away completely. Just don't make them quite as powerful as they are in the comics. Like instead of flying at 6-times the speed of sound, she just flies at the speed of sound. And make her strength level slightly below that of MCU!Thor instead of slightly below Comics!Thor. But she definitely needs to be stronger than Captain America. That's a must, imo. One thing they could jettison that I wouldn't mind is how absorbing energy brings her strength up. Just make it build up the power of her blasts and I'll be happy.

Besides, if you take away her strength, then she can't do the Hulk Fastball Special!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I disagree with just focusing on flight and energy blasts. She'd better have super-strength/durability or I will riot. We finally get a female powerhouse and they take away her strength? No thank you.

+1000

They been really stingy with the feats of strength so far. Where's all the thrown cars and people getting whacked with streetlamps?

 

[gildedmuse]

I'm sure Joss would be fine dealing with Carol on her own, the problem is when she is part of a team how do you create an enemy that Hakweye can hep with that would be any sort of challenge to Carol. On her own you can easily give her enemies/situations that are difficult enough that she has to struggle, and that's part of what makes any character interesting.

From what Feige said when introducing her, I'm hoping to see a fully powered Cap Marvel. Not at her comic strength, because so often the comics just go to ridiculous power levels while the MCU as a whole has remained relatively toned down. She'll get the same treatment, but they can tone her down and still have her as a powerhouse in the MCU.

 

[Panthro]

I disagree with just focusing on flight and energy blasts. She'd better have super-strength/durability or I will riot. We finally get a female powerhouse and they take away her strength? No thank you.

I agree that they could and probably will reduce her powers like they've done with Thor, but that doesn't mean taking any of them away completely. Just don't make them quite as powerful as they are in the comics. Like instead of flying at 6-times the speed of sound, she just flies at the speed of sound. And make her strength level slightly below that of MCU!Thor instead of slightly below Comics!Thor. But she definitely needs to be stronger than Captain America. That's a must, imo. One thing they could jettison that I wouldn't mind is how absorbing energy brings her strength up. Just make it build up the power of her blasts and I'll be happy.

Besides, if you take away her strength, then she can't do the Hulk Fastball Special!

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[Iceman]

what will be her range of powers for the movie?

In the comics she can:

fly- including in space
energy blasts
super-strength (30 tons?)
"Seventh sense"-- never understood this--why do they even call it that, it should be 6th sense

All of the above. Thanks.

 

[Iceman]

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Excellent post. Didn't requote again to take up the whole thread but couldn't agree more with everything here.

Love those scans. t:

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Thor has far more powers than Carol, and way higher base stats. Thor has busted planets, drained the souls of gods, tussled with cosmic beings, survived shots from celestials, time traveled, matter manipulated Absorbing Man into a puddle etc.

A blood-lusted Comic Book Thor would be able to one-shot Carol, like he's one-shotted the Abomination. Thor is no joke.

People constantly underrate Comic Thor's power level. His base abilities are Superman level and he's got powerful magical abilities on top of that.

 

[Moridin]

Whatever about the rest of the suit, I hope they keep that look for the mask/helmet with her hair coming out the top in a mohawk. That's a pretty badass look, IMO.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm not a fan. Although my preference is for no mask anyway, but I think the mohawk looks corny.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

needs lesshawk, not mohawk.

 

[Dasher10]

Needs no helmet.

 

[gildedmuse]

I maybe the only one in the world, but I like the helmet/mohawk look. I think she rocks it.

 

[Loki882]

My big thing with the mask, besides it being the one bleh part of an otherwise excellent costume, is that it serves no real purpose. It's not a disguise since her identity is already public knowledge. It doesn't help her breath in space because we've seen her do that on her own in some books. It's not really for protection since she's traded punches with some pretty powerful beings while not wearing it. And it doesn't even have any real symbolic/psychological value (like say Cap or Batman's masks). So it's both ugly-looking and pointless.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I maybe the only one in the world, but I like the helmet/mohawk look. I think she rocks it.

Clearly you're not the only one who likes it since it was suggested by someone four posts up.

 

[liesse00]

I'd like to see her rock a mohawk/fohawk in the movie. It'd be something different for a female superhero.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't want Carol to have the mohawk at all. Don't even like the helmeted look for her. She just doesn't look like the character but someone completely different. I always associate Carol with her hair out, which has been her appearance for nearly all of her career.

 

[Art Freak]

Have we found our Carol? I know it's been bandied about for a while but at least it's now on HER radar.

http://screencrush.com/emily-blunt-captain-marvel/